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Old 03-23-2011, 01:44 PM   #1
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Have you guys ever encountered a situation where you are driving down the street towards a intersection that is about to turn green for you, and there some person(s) walking in sort of a "I dont care if there is a car coming and the light is almost green" mentality. Its like they WANT to get smashed to bits by a car. You get frustrated, they get there sense of "power" and entitlement because you stopped for them.

Its a specific kind of walk too, its different from just walking slow. Its like a lethargic, dragging walk with a hint of entitlement. The complete opposite of someone who is in a hurry. These kind of people would get trampled over walking in the busy streeets of manhattan or another area where people are hurrying.

and, Coming from a point of pure observational point it always seems to be someone who appears to be of a ghetto-ish look. Is there something about that culture that promotes that sort of "walk".

Why?
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:47 PM   #2
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It's the heroin, silly...
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I'm half-kidding, but that's certainly not an unlikely explanation.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:55 PM   #3
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  Originally Posted by psychosylocibin
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Have you guys ever encountered a situation where you are driving down the street towards a intersection that is about to turn green for you, and there some person(s) walking in sort of a "I dont care if there is a car coming and the light is almost green" mentality. Its like they WANT to get smashed to bits by a car. You get frustrated, they get there sense of "power" and entitlement because you stopped for them.

Its a specific kind of walk too, its different from just walking slow. Its like a lethargic, dragging walk with a hint of entitlement. The complete opposite of someone who is in a hurry. These kind of people would get trampled over walking in the busy streeets of manhattan or another area where people are hurrying.

and, Coming from a point of pure observational point it always seems to be someone who appears to be of a ghetto-ish look. Is there something about that culture that promotes that sort of "walk".

Why?


People who generally feel powerless tend to find ways in which to feel powerful and in control. In this case, the pedestrian managed to make you wait for them. It's a small victory, but you take what you can get.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:05 PM   #4
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People who generally feel powerless tend to find ways in which to feel powerful and in control. In this case, the pedestrian managed to make you wait for them. It's a small victory, but you take what you can get.

In a nutshell, passive aggression.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:18 PM   #5
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  Originally Posted by psychosylocibin
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Have you guys ever encountered a situation where you are driving down the street towards a intersection that is about to turn green for you, and there some person(s) walking in sort of a "I dont care if there is a car coming and the light is almost green" mentality. Its like they WANT to get smashed to bits by a car. You get frustrated, they get there sense of "power" and entitlement because you stopped for them.

Its a specific kind of walk too, its different from just walking slow. Its like a lethargic, dragging walk with a hint of entitlement. The complete opposite of someone who is in a hurry. These kind of people would get trampled over walking in the busy streeets of manhattan or another area where people are hurrying.

and, Coming from a point of pure observational point it always seems to be someone who appears to be of a ghetto-ish look. Is there something about that culture that promotes that sort of "walk".

Why?

Oh, that's me.

I can see how you would get frustrated, frying in your little tin can.

I prefer being out in the sun. I walk so slowly because I am in no rush.

(The perceived "sense of entitlement" is just the projection of your own stress & frustration.)

Have a swell day, friend
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:37 PM   #6
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  Originally Posted by zibber
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Oh, that's me.

I can see how you would get frustrated, frying in your little tin can.

I prefer being out in the sun. I walk so slowly because I am in no rush.

(The perceived "sense of entitlement" is just the projection of your own stress & frustration.)

Have a swell day, friend
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You also live in a bike-friendly city. Many places in America aren't like that. Without the infrastructure of public transportation, some of us are forced to use oil.

For the record though, I think both hypotheses, "projecting your own frustration" and "passive aggression" hold some water to them.

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:44 PM   #7
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  Originally Posted by zibber
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Oh, that's me.

I can see how you would get frustrated, frying in your little tin can.

I prefer being out in the sun. I walk so slowly because I am in no rush.

(The perceived "sense of entitlement" is just the projection of your own stress & frustration.)

Have a swell day, friend
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I love messing with people like that. When people clearly have that attitude, I lay on the horn.

Or if in a particularly feisty mood, keep a foot on the brake, switch to neutral and rev up the engine. In my lifted Dodge Ram 2500 truck.

That just about always gets the hippies running.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:54 PM   #8
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Even if the only reason you might walk slowly would be to manipulate someone in order to derive a sense of control, doesn't mean that everyone, or even most people, would necessarily do the same. The real sense of entitlement here does not lie with the guy walking across the street, it lies with the person who is in a hurry to get somewhere. In truth, for the guy crossing the street, you may not even enter the equation, he may simply be taking life at his own pace, and doing so for reasons that are entirely his own. The man crossing the street requires nothing of the man in the car, he merely asserts his existence. Where as the man driving the car demands that the man crossing the street take deliberate action on his behalf, in order to sustain a sense of superior agency and mobility to which he feels entitled merely because he has the opportunity to deprive the man crossing the street of his right to exist, and to cross the street freely.

In essence the man driving the car must artificially naturalize his demands in order to maintain his sense of entitlement. He must convince himself that the road and everyone in it is "his to do with as he pleases" merely because he is driving a car, that it is unnatural and incorrect for the man crossing the street to exist. Yet we know that the man crossing the street does exist, that many more like him exist, and that his right to do so is protected by some of the most fundamental laws that govern our nation. If we were in a situation where the man in the car was stuck in the middle of an intersection and an on coming semi was about to plow through his car if he did not run down the man crossing the street, things might be different, but such is not the case. The right to plow through anyone in your way just because you can may not be an inevitable fact of life, but coexistence is, so switch to decaf, or smoke a joint, or put some aroma therapy candles on your dashboard, or what ever it takes to keep your road rage at bay, because this is just as much Mr. Slow-Ghetto-Walk's world, and road, as it is yours.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:55 PM   #9
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  Originally Posted by sircockburn
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I love messing with people like that. When people clearly have that attitude, I lay on the horn.

Or if in a particularly feisty mood, keep a foot on the brake, switch to neutral and rev up the engine. In my lifted Dodge Ram 2500 truck.

That just about always gets the hippies running.
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Don't worry - you already got your smoke in my lungs without me asking for it. No need for death threats.

Fascinating how some people manage to revel in their violent unpleasantness.

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For the record though, I think both hypotheses, "projecting your own frustration" and "passive aggression" hold some water to them.

For me, it's more a matter of "here, let me help you slow down".

Although I do get a little worked up in the face of idiocy as demonstrated above. This thread definitely turned sour for me.

Time for a walk
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:17 PM   #10
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  Originally Posted by Indubitably
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Even if the only reason you might walk slowly would be to manipulate someone in order to derive a sense of control, doesn't mean that everyone, or even most people, would necessarily do the same. The real sense of entitlement here does not lie with the guy walking across the street, it lies with the person who is in a hurry to get somewhere. In truth, for the guy crossing the street, you may not even enter the equation, he may simply be taking life at his own pace, and doing so for reasons that are entirely his own. The man crossing the street requires nothing of the man in the car, he merely asserts his existence. Where as the man driving the car demands that the man crossing the street take deliberate action on his behalf, in order to sustain a sense of superior agency and mobility to which he feels entitled merely because he has the opportunity to deprive the man crossing the street of his right to exist, and to cross the street freely.

In essence the man driving the car must artificially naturalize his demands in order to maintain his sense of entitlement. He must convince himself that the road and everyone in it is "his to do with as he pleases" merely because he is driving a car, that it is unnatural and incorrect for the man crossing the street to exist. Yet we know that the man crossing the street does exist, that many more like him exist, and that his right to do so is protected by some of the most fundamental laws that govern our nation. If we were in a situation where the man in the car was stuck in the middle of an intersection and an on coming semi was about to plow through his car if he did not run down the man crossing the street, things might be different, but such is not the case. The right to plow through anyone in your way just because you can may not be an inevitable fact of life, but coexistence is, so switch to decaf, or smoke a joint, or put some aroma therapy candles on your dashboard, or what ever it takes to keep your road rage at bay, because this is just as much Mr. Slow-Ghetto-Walk's world, and road, as it is yours.


The sense of entitlement comes from the fact that the guy who is walking across the street knows that the light is green and he is illegally walking across the crosswalk when a car is legally driving down the road towards him because the driver has a green light. Legally, the pedestrian is not authorized to be there. Yes, technically the driver has a sense of entitlement related to the rationale "people should follow the law", but I think the law in this situation triumps that.

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Old 03-23-2011, 03:20 PM   #11
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OP and all other drivers: sometimes, occasionally, maybe, in some situations... you're not the center of the universe.


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Old 03-23-2011, 03:41 PM   #12
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Where as the man driving the car demands that the man crossing the street take deliberate action on his behalf, in order to sustain a sense of superior agency and mobility to which he feels entitled merely because he has the opportunity to deprive the man crossing the street of his right to exist, and to cross the street freely.

To sum up: walker - not passive aggressive, merely blissfully Zen. Opting out of considerate civilized behavior -- good; getting behind the wheel and attempting to get to your destination, bad. Clarifying.

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Old 03-23-2011, 03:43 PM   #13
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It should certainly be legal to run them over, and not because they're taking too long but because of the demographic temperament that does that zombiesque, "cool guy", Neanderthal walk. Let's see how cool you are in the grill of my fucking car, subhuman, wigger. Stupid piece of shit chavs.
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:53 PM   #14
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  Originally Posted by psychosylocibin
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Have you guys ever encountered a situation where you are driving down the street towards a intersection that is about to turn green for you, and there some person(s) walking in sort of a "I dont care if there is a car coming and the light is almost green" mentality. Its like they WANT to get smashed to bits by a car. You get frustrated, they get there sense of "power" and entitlement because you stopped for them.

Its a specific kind of walk too, its different from just walking slow. Its like a lethargic, dragging walk with a hint of entitlement. The complete opposite of someone who is in a hurry. These kind of people would get trampled over walking in the busy streeets of manhattan or another area where people are hurrying.

and, Coming from a point of pure observational point it always seems to be someone who appears to be of a ghetto-ish look. Is there something about that culture that promotes that sort of "walk".

Why?

I like it when they cross the street away from a crosswalk. The pedal hits the floor; all eight cylinders of the 350 roar to life as I whip those three hundred ponies mercilessly, and the half ton pickup charges towards the little bastards like a raging bull on steroids and bellowing like a dragon in heat. Go ahead, take your time crossing. Doesn't work so well at intersections; squealing tires make for a slower take off.

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Old 03-23-2011, 04:11 PM   #15
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  Originally Posted by Zombicide
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It should certainly be legal to run them over, and not because they're taking too long but because of the demographic temperament that does that zombiesque, "cool guy", Neanderthal walk. Let's see how cool you are in the grill of my fucking car, subhuman, wigger. Stupid piece of shit chavs.


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!!!

Well I sometimes walk like that too
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but only when I know the car will not hit me and that that person can continue in the speed they were going.

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Old 03-23-2011, 04:16 PM   #16
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So lets see. Someone is breaking the law, on top of the bigger issue of being a general nuisance, and some of you are defending it?

And apparently zibber is a black hippie. Never considered that combination before.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:41 PM   #17
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  Originally Posted by zibber
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Oh, that's me.

I can see how you would get frustrated, frying in your little tin can.

I prefer being out in the sun. I walk so slowly because I am in no rush.

(The perceived "sense of entitlement" is just the projection of your own stress & frustration.)

Have a swell day, friend
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Please tell me you aren't one of those people that wears all black and walks across crosswalks illegally in the middle of the pitch black night too, blending in with the rest of the environment and becoming essentially invisilble. You know, this is part of the reason why the law exists. You simply may not see the pedestrian. In this case my sense of entitlement would be the projection of stress and frustration at the 300 dollar repair bill when I fail to see you crossing (illegally) and hit, drag you underneath my car and damage my muffler. With the rising costs of catalytic converters, those arent cheap.

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Old 03-23-2011, 04:45 PM   #18
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I hate those bastards. They're also the same bastards who walk on the street edge when there's a sidewalk on the other side of the ditch. I'd like to hit them, but that would damage my signal lights.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:50 PM   #19
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i've only ever walked liked this when i was in a really bad mood, which sometimes lends me to feel more confrontational. my mindset is like "i dare you not to wait for me, asshole. fuck you."

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Old 03-23-2011, 04:52 PM   #20
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Some anthropologists summize that it actually comes from a cultural expression of race and subjectivity. Working slowly and walking slowly developed from enslaved people seeking sense of empowerment over their owners. The modern ''slow walker'' is a throw back of cultural expression and autonomy. I learned this while studying trends in world music history focused on the American south. Unfortunately I can't find any source online...
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:57 PM   #21
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Well, they do have the whole "you enslaved my ancestors" victim mentality. Might be something to it.
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Old 03-23-2011, 04:58 PM   #22
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ghetto is now a race?
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:02 PM   #23
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uh... Well that's pretty much the way I walk. I didn't know it gives off a sense of entitlement, it's more just that I'm thinking in my head and not really paying attention to what else is going on.

Is it like an "I know you're there but I don't care" mentality? Or a "I'm a hobo who's totally oblivious to what's going on around me"?
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:10 PM   #24
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Well, they do have the whole "you enslaved my ancestors" victim mentality. Might be something to it.

Yeah, and all those successful black people are merely Uncle Toms. Is there something to that as well? It's easier to curse the darkness than light a candle. Human nature, might be something to it.

This mentality does absolutely no good. And enabling it is even worse.

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Old 03-23-2011, 05:17 PM   #25
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Well, they do have the whole "you enslaved my ancestors" victim mentality. Might be something to it.

So whites were enslaved? East Indians? I fail to make the connection. Assholes will be assholes, their excuses will be whatever fits the moment; only the true assholes - waves hand - will tell the truth, "the own the road while I'm on it".

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