[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I watch amateur porn on the Web, mostly other women masturbating alone or together. ---------- Post added 03-08-2012 at 02:06 AM ---------- Manly action is nice to receive, but not so nice to look at.

Again the hatred/dread of male genitalia.

Though perhaps it can be ignored this time as claims to heterosexuality might be dubious coming from a "straight" woman that spends her free time watching other women masturbate...





Sadly, it is true that most men in porn don't seem to be very attractive, which is why I spend my time watching mostly women solo masturbating as well.

Why the fuck can't they hire attractive men for porn??

[Mind Marauder]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why the fuck can't they hire attractive men for porn??

Because penis size is the controlled variable for men in porn. Case and point: Ron Jeremy. Even when he wasn't in his current bloated form, he wasn't the pinnacle of male attractiveness.

[Moondyn]

The only kind of porn I like is erotic-fiction, and hentai manga. (No yaoi, I hate that crap.)

[Mystery]

Daily.
I watch all kinds of porn even though i've been watching a lot of amateur lately.
I'm very visual, apparently it's rare for females but fantasizing just don't work well for me.
I don't listen most of the time, because hearing the girl moaning all the time turns me off.
But in amateur porn, it turns me on even more when the guy moans at the end. It is so hot.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Again the hatred/dread of male genitalia. Though perhaps it can be ignored this time as claims to heterosexuality might be dubious coming from a "straight" woman that spends her free time watching other women masturbate...

Hate? Not really. While I consider myself bisexual, I doubt that most heterosexual women are turned on by male genitalia. They just like how it reaches the fun places and gets the job done. What's physically attractive to a woman is the rest of the male body (especially when it is at least partly covered and left to be discovered) and how it behaves.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hate? Not really. While I consider myself bisexual, I doubt that most heterosexual women are turned on by male genitalia. They just like how it reaches the fun places and gets the job done. What's physically attractive to a woman is the rest of the male body (especially when it is at least partly covered and left to be discovered) and how it behaves.

So basically the theory is that women aren't attracted to men, rather their wallets.


I'm glad there a few exceptions to the rule, even though they are so tragically rare. Sigh.

Truly, we live in hell.

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	Originally Posted by Mind Marauder To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Because penis size is the controlled variable for men in porn. Case and point: Ron Jeremy. Even when he wasn't in his current bloated form, he wasn't the pinnacle of male attractiveness.

Attractive guys don't have large penises or something?

[Still Standing]

^You read through my writings much more deeply than I do. I can do without the extra confusion.

[AlfredSchnittke]

Truths that are so dastardly are almost always sugar-coated so they can be more easily swallowed.

[Moxiie]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So basically the theory is that women aren't attracted to men, rather their wallets. I'm glad there a few exceptions to the rule, even though they are so tragically rare. Sigh. Truly, we live in hell. Attractive guys don't have large penises or something?

I sense some cognitive dissonance going on here. How in the hell did you deduce "rather their wallets" out of her original statement?? I'm seriously perplexed by this.

*confused*

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So basically the theory is that women aren't attracted to men, rather their wallets. I'm glad there a few exceptions to the rule, even though they are so tragically rare. Sigh. Truly, we live in hell.

Analogy (assuming that I understand what Still Standing is saying)- I like banana cream pie. However, I think that banana cream pie, despite its wonderful taste, does not look very appetizing. As such, I enjoy eating it, but not looking at it.

Now, let's also say that I like cherry pie. In addition, I think that it looks fantastic. As such, not only will I eat it, but I enjoy just looking at it.

So, let's say I'm browsing for pictures of pie online. Even though I like both banana cream and cherry pie, I only look at pictures of cherry pie, for the aforementioned reasons. This doesn't mean that I hate banana cream pie- neither does it mean that I only ever eat banana cream pie for its wallet.

[Lilie]

I don't like porn. I might get off on thinking about strangers having sex, but actually seeing it always seems so tacky and vulgar. I don't really like pictures of naked people either. I used to work in a sex shop and got pretty numb to it, but that was awhile ago and now I just find it distasteful.

Erotica is good, when there is a believable story mixed in with the sexy bits. Character development is hot.

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I sense some cognitive dissonance going on here. How in the hell did you deduce "rather their wallets" out of her original statement?? I'm seriously perplexed by this. *confused*

Hmm, your quote mechanism fucked up somewhere. The thing about penises is a reply to a quote from Mind Marauder where he says that attractiveness doesn't matter for guys in porn, only penis size does.


Anyway, it's always the same regarding the other issue. Male organs are not attractive to women, but they don't want to come out and just say it, so they angle around to saying things suggestive of all the "other" things that make men MEN that women DO like, you know, like large...bank accounts.

Get it?

Yes, it's quite depressing, and basically socially unacceptable for women to just go around saying that point blank, but it's quite obvious if you just read slightly beneath the thin veneer of rhetoric.


If you ever find one of the horribly rare exceptions you may consider yourself blessed; it may even tempt you to convert to some religion, and in fact it's one of the few things that an allowance for religious conversion is made in the Official Atheist Handbook.

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 02:00 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Analogy (assuming that I understand what Still Standing is saying)- I like banana cream pie. However, I think that banana cream pie, despite its wonderful taste, does not look very appetizing. As such, I enjoy eating it, but not looking at it. Now, let's also say that I like cherry pie. In addition, I think that it looks fantastic. As such, not only will I eat it, but I enjoy just looking at it. So, let's say I'm browsing for pictures of pie online. Even though I like both banana cream and cherry pie, I only look at pictures of cherry pie, for the aforementioned reasons. This doesn't mean that I hate banana cream pie- neither does it mean that I only ever eat banana cream pie for its wallet.

Banana cream pies don't have wallets...

I don't even get the analogy. No one would eat banana cream pie if it looked disgusting to them, how would they even know they liked the taste (supposedly)?

Taste being largely built up from the visual presentation of the food, the smells, etc... it is nearly impossible to imagine any kind of pleasant taste experience from a food one found repulsive to begin with.

As an analogy between men and women, it fails even harder because there are thousands upon thousands of different kinds of food, and basically just two options of human with minor variations.

Where it might succeed is by pointing out that perhaps people could still pay you to eat banana cream pie. It's awful, but what the hell, for money you'd still eat a slice. Basically that's the correct analogy here, if it can be applied at all.

[Moxiie]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hate? Not really. While I consider myself bisexual, I doubt that most heterosexual women are turned on by male genitalia. They just like how it reaches the fun places and gets the job done. What's physically attractive to a woman is the rest of the male body (especially when it is at least partly covered and left to be discovered) and how it behaves.

Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Anyway, it's always the same regarding the other issue. Male organs are not attractive to women, but they don't want to come out and just say it, so they angle around to saying things suggestive of all the "other" things that make men MEN that women DO like, you know, like large...bank accounts. Get it? Yes, it's quite depressing, and basically socially unacceptable for women to just go around saying that point blank, but it's quite obvious if you just read slightly beneath the thin veneer of rhetoric. If you ever find one of the horribly rare exceptions you may consider yourself blessed; it may even tempt you to convert to some religion, and in fact it's one of the few things that an allowance for religious conversion is made in the Official Atheist Handbook.

I'm still not seeing Still Standing's original assertion reflected in your response - what I read is that she finds the rest of the male body more attractive than the genitals. How did you deduce a general sweeping statement about women only liking men for their wallets? I'm simply not seeing the connection being made within the context of her original statement you were responding to. *shrugs* sounds like other issues coming into play that have nothing to do with what Still Standing said.

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't even get the analogy. No one would eat banana cream pie if it looked disgusting to them, how would they even know they liked the taste (supposedly)?

Apparently, Still Standing does.

	Taste being largely built up from the visual presentation of the food, the smells, etc... it is nearly impossible to imagine any kind of pleasant taste experience from a food one found repulsive to begin with.

Let's say that all banana cream pies come on a beautiful silver platter and are laid before you on a wonderful looking table. As such, the wonderful looking bits surrounding the actual banana cream pie somewhat mitigate the appearance, and allow you to enjoy eating it. Alternatively, eat it blindfolded.

[AlfredSchnittke]

Originally Posted by Moxiie To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm still not seeing Still Standing's original assertion reflected in your response - what I read is that she finds the rest of the male body more attractive than the genitals. How did you deduce a general sweeping statement about women only liking men for their wallets? I'm simply not seeing the connection being made within the context of her original statement you were responding to. *shrugs* sounds like other issues coming into play that have nothing to do with what Still Standing said.

What would that even mean?

Other than the genitals men and women have pretty similar bodies. Two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth, hair (variously styled), butts, feet...all the goodies you know.

So either she meant, in a very roundabout way, that she only likes women, or she meant that there is something "else" that attracts her to men.

Since it isn't their maleness, one is left only with external factors like bank account size, or perhaps artistic talent.

Either way, I guess most men wouldn't care that she found them repulsive when they were fucking her, but I just can't ever seem to do it. I've always got to try and find some of the rare exceptions that actually like male stuff, usually this leaves me totally alone, which is fine, as I'd rather just please myself than have someone that is repulsed by me do it.

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 02:10 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Apparently, Still Standing does.

Well, I can only imagine that just as that would make for a terrible meal, it probably makes for terrible sex as well, but who knows. From the stereotypes most guys just want to push into a wet hole for a few minutes without much else going on I guess.

	Let's say that all banana cream pies come on a beautiful silver platter and are laid before you on a wonderful looking table. As such, the wonderful looking bits surrounding the actual banana cream pie somewhat mitigate the appearance, and allow you to enjoy eating it. Alternatively, eat it blindfolded.

Exactly! Basically if men have a big house, a fancy car, and tons of cash, perhaps some other external factors, like artistic talent you admire, or intelligence, or an ability to make you laugh, you can maybe get over the repulsion a bit. That's what I've been saying!

What would blindfolded be equivalent to? Rape?...

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Exactly! Basically if men have a big house, a fancy car, and tons of cash, perhaps some other external factors, like artistic talent you admire, or intelligence, or an ability to make you laugh, you can maybe get over the repulsion a bit. That's what I've been saying!

Or perhaps the guy is just really, really good looking. As Still Standing said, the attraction is to the male body, not the dong.

	What would blindfolded be equivalent to? Rape?...

Wearing a blindfold.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So either she meant, in a very roundabout way, that she only likes women, or she meant that there is something "else" that attracts her to men. Since it isn't their maleness, one is left only with external factors like bank account size, or perhaps artistic talent.

Genitalia is not the only thing that physically distinguishes a man from a woman. If it were the genitalia that women went for, wouldn't it make more sense for men to be posting those on a dating site rather than their upper body?

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or perhaps the guy is just really, really good looking.

No, then the analogy would be the piece of pie looking really really good. Which is not the case, rather it is all the external things that make the repulsive pie look good.

	Wearing a blindfold.

You cannot analogize wearing a blindfold with wearing a blindfold.

And in any case, one would then wonder why in the hell you would be eating the pie to begin with if you needed to take such extreme measures.

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 02:15 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Genitalia is not the only thing that physically distinguishes a man from a woman. If it were the genitalia that women went for, wouldn't it make more sense for men to be posting those on a dating site rather than their upper body?

Usually dating sites don't allow nude pics...so...no?

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, then the analogy would be the piece of pie looking really really good. Which is not the case, rather it is all the external things that make the repulsive pie look good.

Imagine that the very nice table is about six feet long, and about two feet wide. The pie is sitting near the center of the table.

Make sense now?

	And in any case, one would then wonder why in the hell you would be eating the pie to begin with if you needed to take such extreme measures.

Because it's tasty, and fills your... stomach in an orgasmic manner? Besides, you don't need a blindfold once the pie's already in you.

[Moxiie]

did someone say pie???!!


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[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Imagine that the very nice table is about six feet long, and about two feet wide. The pie is sitting near the center of the table. Make sense now?

No, I'm extremely confused actually. What could the measurements of the table have to do with anything?...

	Because it's tasty, and fills your... stomach in an orgasmic manner? Besides, you don't need a blindfold once the pie's already in you.

You could just eat cherry pie and get the same thing, without the hassle, and feeling of disgust.

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 02:24 PM ----------

Also, the analogy doesn't take into account the psychological effect of your actions on the pie.

Perhaps the biggest failure.

How does the pie feel when you put on the blindfold just to be near it? How does the pie feel that it needs to be presented with silver fork, on a giant table, in an elegant dining room to be acceptable?

You ever think of that? Obviously not. Because you are able to live with the privilege of being innately beloved.

I'm sure it must be nice.

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I'm extremely confused actually. What could the measurements of the table have to do with anything?...

You can find the male body attractive without finding the dong attractive. In this case, you can find the table attractive, but not the pie.

	You could just eat cherry pie and get the same thing, without the hassle, and feeling of disgust.

Exactly, and she does that, too. Doesn't mean that she can't enjoy a bit of banana cream every once in a while, though, or that she doesn't like variety.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Genitalia is not the only thing that physically distinguishes a man from a woman. If it were the genitalia that women went for, wouldn't it make more sense for men to be posting those on a dating site rather than their upper body?

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Usually dating sites don't allow nude pics...so...no?

Ever heard of a girl asking a guy to send her a pic of his dong to assess if he's dating material or not?

[AlfredSchnittke]

	Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You can find the male body attractive without finding the dong attractive. In this case, you can find the table attractive, but not the pie.

Makes no sense. Maybe you meant to say the curst is attractive, but not the filling?...

But even then, it sounds borderline incoherent.

	Exactly, and she does that, too. Doesn't mean that she can't enjoy a bit of banana cream every once in a while, though, or that she doesn't like variety.

Cannot imagine going for variety when that variety is repulsive...

---------- Post added 06-13-2012 at 02:38 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ever heard of a girl asking a guy to send her a pic of his dong to assess if he's dating material or not?

Yeah.

But it's rare.

It's equally rare for women to send pics of their vulvas for men to assess them though, but this seems like the weirdest criterion imaginable.

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by AlfredSchnittke To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Makes no sense. Maybe you meant to say the curst is attractive, but not the filling?... But even then, it sounds borderline incoherent.

You misunderstand the analogy, then. The pie represents genitalia, not the body. And the pie comes with a roughly 6'x2' body attached, which happens to be very nice.

	Cannot imagine going for variety when that variety is repulsive...

Then let's say that you just don't care for the look of the pie, but like how it tastes. Voila, variety without being repulsed.

Given that Still Standing identifies herself as bisexual, I think it unlikely that she finds heterosexual intercourse 'repulsive.'