[jkatra]

I've been trying to do research on a Jungian topic but not having success at locating anything; hopefully someone might be able to assist here.

Jung talked about the integration of the anima and animus (
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). He said that everyone has some of each, but men identify with the animus at younger ages and women identify with the anima at younger ages. As they grow older, they need to integrate the other component into the psyche. So men need to integrate the anima, and women need to integrate the animus.

So my question is: do you know of any information that describes heterosexual men identifying with the anima at younger ages, and heterosexual women identifying with the animus at younger ages, and the influence of childhood and parenting on that? I've been trying to research this and not coming across anything. Jung seemed to assume early animus identification with men and early anima identification with women.

[iamhuman]

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I've been trying to do research on a Jungian topic but not having success at locating anything; hopefully someone might be able to assist here. Jung talked about the integration of the anima and animus ( To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ). He said that everyone has some of each, but men identify with the animus at younger ages and women identify with the anima at younger ages. As they grow older, they need to integrate the other component into the psyche. So men need to integrate the anima, and women need to integrate the animus. So my question is: do you know of any information that describes heterosexual men identifying with the anima at younger ages, and heterosexual women identifying with the animus at younger ages, and the influence of childhood and parenting on that? I've been trying to research this and not coming across anything. Jung seemed to assume early animus identification with men and early anima identification with women.

I don't know of any information you could look up, but because this particular Jungian theory is directed toward gender and the need for a more androgenous approach as adults, I'd hazard a guess that examples may include a girl weho is a tomboy and a boy who plays with dolls and dresses up.

[stock]

I read an interesting book that parallels Jung's life and his theory side by side-I cant recall the title, but will find it when I get home and post it.

In the book they described how Jung had a breakdown in his late thirties. He spent months sitting beside a lake stacking rocks upon rocks and looking for meaning.

It is interesting as much of his anima/animus theory seems to stem from his very personal understanding of the idea. Not that it is incorrect, but in light of typology it seems like you could also interpret the anima as F functions and the animus as T functions. We start life with one aspect well developed and then as we age we must grow the other aspect in more fully. Jung started off as a strong thinker with a well developed animus, but then as he aged and developed more Fi, it seems he developed his anima.

It almost seems that a male feeler might start off with an anima and then develop towards an animus. A female thinker could be expected to start with an animus and develop towards an anima?

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jkatra check out this thread from awhile back. TypeINTJ had a good number of posts on various aspects of the shadow function and jungian definitions which will put my rambles above to shame.


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[TypeINTJ]

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	I've been trying to do research on a Jungian topic but not having success at locating anything; hopefully someone might be able to assist here.

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	jkatra check out this thread from awhile back. TypeINTJ had a good number of posts on various aspects of the shadow function and jungian definitions which will put my rambles above to shame. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Thanks so much
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, its the shadow type thread,
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, we discuss mostly type theory, but also jungian material & definitions specifically posts #61, 62, 63, 68, 69, 70, 74

I do advise you to read it all, the shadow itself is a just as huge as an archetype as the anima/animus, also the discussions there are nice, the jungian material in the specific posts will help you understand Jung too ( think of them as a primer on his psychology especially in relation to his type works ) since none of what I'm about to say will make sense without them...

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Archetype : Primordial, structural elements of the human psyche, systems of readiness for action, and at the same time images and emotions, inherited as part of our psyche, they represent on the one hand a very strong instinctive conservatism, while on the other hand they are the most effective means conceivable of instinctive adaptation, that portion through which the psyche is attached to nature, It is not inherited ideas literally but of inherited possibilities of said ideas, nor are they individual acquisitions but, in the main, common to all, as can be seen from their universal occurrence, are ir-representable in themselves but their effects are discernible in archetypal images and motifs, present themselves as ideas and images, like everything else that becomes a content of consciousness, can be recognized only from the effects they produce. Jung also described archetypes as instinctual images, the forms which the instincts assume, archetypes manifest both on a personal level, through complexes, and collectively, as characteristics of whole cultures, Jung believed it was the task of each age to understand anew their content and their effects, examples include mother, father, child, anima/animus, shadow, and most important of all the Self archetype. Archetypal image : The form or representation of an archetype in consciousness, as universal patterns or motifs which come from the collective unconscious, are the basic content of cultures, motivations, religions, mythologies, legends and fairy tales, unlike a personal archetype ( which unique to person even if its shared , i.e shadow ), the collective is something we all interact with unconsciously and need to experience inorder to differentiate between it the collective and individual, example as mother archetype that is in every culture, but its specifics differ depending on each, at one its almost holy, at others is an obligation & duty, when someone says “ mothers should be treated like this or that “, one has to ask whether that person is identifying with the collective image of the mother ( which hasn’t been made conscious through confrontation on the individual ) or her/his own personal archetype of a mother ?

The Anima/Animus ContraSexual theory was one of the many controversial parts of his works, especially because everything about gender identity at the time was men were manly men & women were womanly women, & nothing else was remotely acceptable, contrary to Freud's everyone's bisexual stance ( in relation to sexuality & sexual behavior ), Jung was about gender identity itself distinct from sexuality ( male, female & androgyny ), the theory has different components, one is the typological applications, other is ego-self connection, other is relationship based, among others, will discuss those ones because they are the major applications …

First, In Relationships, the application of it is the popular love at first sight, Jung commented on the fact that its almost always the fact that people fall in love with people resembling what their anima/animus, since collectively ( society, culture, religion, etc… ) predefines these archetypes into practically specific roles, & you can see the differences from one to the other ( ie. the eastern woman, the western man, the working woman, the breadwinner man… etc. ).

So you get the famous example of the thinking man falling for a feeling woman, or the highly conservative raised woman falling for the adventurous bad boy man & so on, Jung called that anima/animus projection, where the suppressed qualities of a person's anima/animus gets personified the moment it finds the right subject to be so, relationships based on such projection always end up in failure because like any other archetype, falling for it without realizing it masks the reality ones true self & also ego, people end up dealing with each others projections instead of egos or even opening up to their self's.

Second, in Typology, Jung stated that the shadow/anima/animus gets personified in the third/fourth functions, hence differentiating such functions isn't only an exercise in functional perception/judgement, but also in ego growth & maturation, again a famous example is how an INTJ would fall for an ESFP when young & inexperienced, just because the uninhibited risk taking type personifies the anima/animus, until they discover that the ride wasn't all it turned out to be, most times both types would argue, fight & break up without ever realizing that they're fighting against there own projections ( instead of the real person infront of you ).

Whether a person is a heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual, doesn't really matter at all, anima/animus identification comes in various degrees, gender roles can also be reversed where a woman is more animus than anima, & vice versa in men, people who defy gender roles regardless of sexuality face the same problems of anima/animus functionally & archetypically too, until integration happens.

Third & fundamentally, anima/animus like the shadow archetype plays almost a crucial role in psych development, while the shadow is a morally challenging problem to the ego as its anti thesis, the anima/animus practically plays a blocking/opening role between the ego & self ( after shadow resolution ), since the Self archetype is the creator of all archetypes, its genderless & define-less, identifying as a anima/animus ( & comparable archetypes as mother/father, husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, … etc. ) as DEFINITIVE factor of your ego as opposed to one of your DEFINING factors puts a limit on your ever ending growth process, having qualities of both your anima/animus & integrating them helps you be more WHOLE at the end of the day.

this is the shortest answer I can write down in regard to the topic, questions for more specifics are more than welcome ( as you can see from the shadow type threads, i don't mind long detailed answers
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), looking forward to a discussion about one of my favorite things in Jungian psychology
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