[JasonM]

Ti - Introverted logic: your internal sense of whether something is true or false.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: an analyst.
If it were to completely vanish: you wouldn't be able tell if anything were true or false; you'd be uncertain about every thought you have.

Fi - Introverted feeling: your internal sense of what you like and don't like.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a person with a highly distinguished moral sense.
If it were to completely vanish: you'd become like a robot, having no emotion whatsoever.

Te - Extraverted logic: your ability to plan, organize, and decide.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a CEO.
If it were to completely vanish: you'd suffer from "executive dysfunction," not being able to handle the world around you.

Fe - Extraverted feeling: your ability to help, console, and make others happy.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a great caregiver - a nurse, doctor, etc.
If it were to completely vanish: you'd become a sociopath.

Si - Introverted sensing: your internal sense of what is real and unreal.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: the ultimate realist.
If it were to completely vanish: you would become psychotic (i.e. insane).

Ni - Introverted intuition: your internal sense of concepts and ideas.
When used with great proficency, you'd become: a great theorist.
If it were to completely vanish: you would interpret everything literally, your thought processes becoming completely concrete.

Se - Extraverted sensing: your ability to experience the world around you.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a great adventurer.
If it were to completely vanish: you'd be a brain in a vat - a mind with no sense of the world around you.

Ne - Extraverted intuition: your ability to perceive possibilities in the world around you.
When used with great proficiency, you'd become: an inventor.
If it were to completely vanish: you'd live in a world of exact routines; any slight change in the situation would devastate you.

These correspond with some psychiatric disorders; Problems with Fi, Te, Si, and Ni can be found in schizophrenic states,problems with Ti are similar to obsessive-compulsive disorder, problems with Fe correspond to an antisocial personality disorder, and problems with Ne correspond to some of the states of autism.

*Note that I don't think that these correspond completely with the functions given in the MBTI, but I'm basing it on my interpretation of Jung's work, not the MBTI's interpretations. I also believe that almost everyone has at least some access to all of the functions; if you didn't have any access to them, you'd become one of the cases in which it vanishes, listed above.

[Xenolar]

Originally Posted by JasonM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Ti - Introverted logic: your internal sense of whether something is true or false. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: an analyst. If it were to completely vanish: you wouldn't be able tell if anything were true or false; you'd be uncertain about every thought you have. Fi - Introverted feeling: your internal sense of what you like and don't like. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a person with a highly distinguished moral sense. If it were to completely vanish: you'd become like a robot, having no emotion whatsoever. Te - Extraverted logic: your ability to plan, organize, and decide. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a CEO. If it were to completely vanish: you'd suffer from "executive dysfunction," not being able to handle the world around you. Fe - Extraverted feeling: your ability to help, console, and make others happy. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a great caregiver - a nurse, doctor, etc. If it were to completely vanish: you'd become a sociopath. Si - Introverted sensing: your internal sense of what is real and unreal. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: the ultimate realist. If it were to completely vanish: you would become psychotic (i.e. insane). Ni - Introverted intuition: your internal sense of concepts and ideas. When used with great proficency, you'd become: a great theorist. If it were to completely vanish: you would interpret everything literally, your thought processes becoming completely concrete. Se - Extraverted sensing: your ability to experience the world around you. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: a great adventurer. If it were to completely vanish: you'd be a brain in a vat - a mind with no sense of the world around you. Ne - Extraverted intuition: your ability to perceive possibilities in the world around you. When used with great proficiency, you'd become: an inventor. If it were to completely vanish: you'd live in a world of exact routines; any slight change in the situation would devastate you. These correspond with some psychiatric disorders; Problems with Fi, Te, Si, and Ni can be found in schizophrenic states,problems with Ti are similar to obsessive-compulsive disorder, problems with Fe correspond to an antisocial personality disorder, and problems with Ne correspond to some of the states of autism.

I think there are several flaws with some of these descriptions.
First of all, Ti is perhaps more accurately described as analyzing and deducing internal structure via pure rationalism--figuring out how something works and functions. Ti types create a holistic representation of structure mentally. Ti types, unlike you have described, are usually not particularly certain about things, but rather, are always methodically scrutinizing and doubting. Problems with Ti would certainly NOT result in anything resembling OCD. In fact, the nature of OCD would actually suggest that the suffering individual has very strong Ti. I have several examples to support this, myself as one example, as I have OCD (and it used to be relatively severe) and Ti is one of my very strongest. Thus, your description of a lack of Ti does not sound accurate either.
A lack of Fe may result in sociopathy, but I think sociopathy is perhaps more accurately described as the result of Fi, since Fi is what governs one's conscience and ethics--precisely what sociopaths lack.
The Si description isn't bad, but Si still certainly is the cause of ultimate realism. Si dominant types can be rather subjective in somewhat of the same way INxJs (Ni dominants) can be.
Lastly, the Ne description is good, except that your statement on what would happen as a result of lacking Ne. Weak Ne would instead result in narrow-mindedness--a complete inability to see other conceptual perspectives. It is true that people with dominant Ne are likely to not be particularly fond of routines. Individuals with strong Ne (such as INTJs and INFJs) may still follow very strict routines. This is due to the fact that what you described is more accurately a lack of Se. Someone with a lack of Se will be extremely cautious and cerebral--living in one's head and not wishing to step out of one's own world and routine. Also, it is very inaccurate to say that autism relates to a malfunctioning Ne. Autism has nothing to do with Ne at all. Autism, instead, is related to weak Fe (shown by the problem autists have with communication, adhering to social norms, and expressing empathy) and weak Se (bizarre routines, focused interests, sensory processing dysfunction).

[JasonM]

Originally Posted by Xenolar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I think there are several flaws with some of these descriptions. First of all, Ti is perhaps more accurately described as analyzing and deducing internal structure via pure rationalism--figuring out how something works and functions. Ti types create a holistic representation of structure mentally. Ti types, unlike you have described, are usually not particularly certain about things, but rather, are always methodically scrutinizing and doubting. Problems with Ti would certainly NOT result in anything resembling OCD. In fact, the nature of OCD would actually suggest that the suffering individual has very strong Ti. I have several examples to support this, myself as one example, as I have OCD (and it used to be relatively severe) and Ti is one of my very strongest. Thus, your description of a lack of Ti does not sound accurate either.

My description is just a simplification. It is my interpretation of it, which gives way to subjectivity. I'm not necessarily talking about the MBTI. I've considered the MBTI, socionics, and my own ideas in coming up with the descriptions.

	A lack of Fe may result in sociopathy, but I think sociopathy is perhaps more accurately described as the result of Fi, since Fi is what governs one's conscience and ethics--precisely what sociopaths lack.

The type of sociopath I'm thinking of would be one who has no concern for others whatsoever. They refuse to be even minimally kind to anyone. Maybe what I'm referring to is not a sociopath, but more of an ogre.

	The Si description isn't bad, but Si still certainly is the cause of ultimate realism. Si dominant types can be rather subjective in somewhat of the same way INxJs (Ni dominants) can be.

My description doesn't necessarily correlate with the MBTI.

	Lastly, the Ne description is good, except that your statement on what would happen as a result of lacking Ne. Weak Ne would instead result in narrow-mindedness--a complete inability to see other conceptual perspectives.

That was one of the ones I struggled in trying to think of what it would be like if it weren't there. I think narrow-mindedness is a better description.

It is true that people with dominant Ne are likely to not be particularly fond of routines. Individuals with strong Ne (such as INTJs and INFJs) may still follow very strict routines. This is due to the fact that what you described is more accurately a lack of Se. Someone with a lack of Se will be extremely cautious and cerebral--living in one's head and not wishing to step out of one's own world and routine.

Although it doesn't correlate perfectly with the MBTI, the MBTI did play some role in thinking up some of my descriptions. "Gifts Differing" says that IS_Js "make an excellent adaptation to routine," that EN_Ps "hate routine," and that IN_Js "are deeply discontented in a routine job that offers no scope for inspiration."

	Also, it is very inaccurate to say that autism relates to a malfunctioning Ne. Autism has nothing to do with Ne at all. Autism, instead, is related to weak Fe (shown by the problem autists have with communication, adhering to social norms, and expressing empathy) and weak Se (bizarre routines, focused interests, sensory processing dysfunction).

Taken from a popular autism website:

"Other features commonly found in autistic individuals include learning difficulties, obsessive interest and need for routine, and body movements or 'tics'."

[ssrprotege]

	Originally Posted by Xenolar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Also, it is very inaccurate to say that autism relates to a malfunctioning Ne. Autism has nothing to do with Ne at all. Autism, instead, is related to weak Fe (shown by the problem autists have with communication, adhering to social norms, and expressing empathy) and weak Se (bizarre routines, focused interests, sensory processing dysfunction).

JasonM, Xenolar is correct.

And socionics and MBTI should be considered as two different independent theories; if not, you may be in a big mess when it comes to chaotic J/P switches for introverts. The CP interpretations are slightly different; I am pretty sure you noticed it.

Based on the description, you seem to be quite dismissive of the MBTI definitions of cognitive process. I suggest that you adjust your interpretations of these cognitive processes using Xenolar's constructive advice. Xenolar set the theoretical facts (oxymoron
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) straight. Use them; depending too much on subjectivity may seriously distort your interpretation of cognitive processes. You don't want that.

By the way, I intuitively think that you have developed Ti.

I admire your efforts to understand CP's. Good luck with your endeavours!

[JasonM]

	Originally Posted by ssrprotege To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	JasonM, Xenolar is correct.

You both might be right. I don't have extensive knowledge of autism. However, I knew that they often have a problem breaking routines, so I threw that in there.

	Originally Posted by ssrprotege To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And socionics and MBTI should be considered as two different independent theories; if not, you may be in a big mess when it comes to chaotic J/P switches for introverts. The CP interpretations are slightly different; I am pretty sure you noticed it.

I have noticed both things that you are talking about.

Originally Posted by ssrprotege To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Based on the description, you seem to be quite dismissive of the MBTI definitions of cognitive process. I suggest that you adjust your interpretations of these cognitive processes using Xenolar's constructive advice. Xenolar set the theoretical facts (oxymoron To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ) straight. Use them; depending too much on subjectivity may seriously distort your interpretation of cognitive processes. You don't want that.

I think Xenolar had some good points. He (or she) was off about a couple things, but overall, they gave some good criticism. I was just trying to come up with my own interpretation. A few of the descriptions were based too much on personal experience. I think Xenolar's descriptions of Ti and Ne are better than mine. I disagree with what he/she said about Si. I know a few SJs, and they find theories that take big leaps and wild ideas to be very distasteful. My mother is an ISTJ, and she thinks that philosophy can "make you crazy." I don't think the SP types view it this way. I just think that they don't really understand it. Perhaps it applies to all sensors, but arguing about it isn't going to prove anything. You would need empirical testing to discover the truth.

	Originally Posted by ssrprotege To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	By the way, I intuitively think that you have developed Ti.

I try. I try.

	Originally Posted by ssrprotege To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I admire your efforts to understand CP's. Good luck with your endeavours!

Thank you.

[Antares]

Wow; very impressed with your descriptions. Does my Te dominant trait make me a candidate CEO then? (I am Te dominant even though I'm an INTJ; doesn't make too much sense, I know).

[ssrprotege]

	Originally Posted by Antares To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow; very impressed with your descriptions. Does my Te dominant trait make me a candidate CEO then? (I am Te dominant even though I'm an INTJ; doesn't make too much sense, I know).

My friend is tested as an INTJ, but based on my observations, I think he's a Ti dominant, in that he strongly uses logic/Thinking to analyse (rather than decide). He doesn't seem to have faith in Intuition. This doesn't make much sense.....

[JasonM]

	Originally Posted by Antares To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow; very impressed with your descriptions. Does my Te dominant trait make me a candidate CEO then? (I am Te dominant even though I'm an INTJ; doesn't make too much sense, I know).

It's possible. When I take a cognitive processes test, my strongest function is Ne.

Jason