[theficklefinger]

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, I for one could never have predicted that you'd end up urging that American misogynists should buy a wife from a third world country.

Actually what I am saying is that if you don't want your kids to be messed up, if you want your house taken care of, and you actually want someone to appreciate 20 years of working 60 hour weeks, find a woman that will actually appreciate what your bringing to the table.

A guy has to invest in the best mate for the long term, and most US women have basically knocked themselves out of the job description.

Fine, you don't want to be housewives and moms, you don't want to cook for a husband. Ok. Well....now what? Ok, your the fuck buddy.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ok, your the fuck buddy.

Haha, what?

I don't think so, son. I'd fill it in with cement first.

[Deliberator]

Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Actually what I am saying is that if you don't want your kids to be messed up, if you want your house taken care of, and you actually want someone to appreciate 20 years of working 60 hour weeks, find a woman that will actually appreciate what your bringing to the table. A guy has to invest in the best mate for the long term, and most US women have basically knocked themselves out of the job description. Fine, you don't want to be housewives and moms, you don't want to cook for a husband. Ok. Well....now what? Ok, your the fuck buddy.

What an interesting view on the situation. Have you ever met any human beings?

You know, there are a lot of women who would love to just be housewives and moms and have their husband bring home the bacon, it's just that most can't because that is expensive. Unless her husband makes very good money she will be in the predicament most women are in... stuck having to work, while also wanting kids and a happy home. Then since the standard man doesn't share housework, she ends up both working and doing "mom/wife" duties and ends up feeling resentful about it.

As for you and your housewife, good luck thinking she'll appreciate your hard work if you don't appreciate hers equally. After all, if she's got kids she's essentially on call or working 24/7 while your work stops at 60 hours a week. If you come home expecting a meal on the table and some quick sex before you fall asleep then your happy housewife will soon become an ex-housewife.

I think the problem with marriage, is that when both people work hard both parties feel sorry for themselves, and both start to withhold appreciation for the other because they feel as though they're not being appreciated enough (ie vicious cycle). It takes maturity to realize that most of the time both parties are equally to blame for problems in the relationship.

[theficklefinger]

So stop going out with slobs. Problem solved.

If I woke up tomorrow with a Vagina, inside of a week I would be laying on a billionaires yacht.

[AnaK]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It kills me when woman talk of not being able to find a decent guy...If I had a vagina, inside of week I would be laying on a billionaire's yacht.

They have operations for that.

[nacht]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If I woke up tomorrow with a Vagina, inside of a week I would be laying on a billionaires yacht.

Hrm, that should be well worth the investment for FFS, HRT, and SRS.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by nacht To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hrm, that should be well worth the investment for FFS, HRT, and SRS.

I don't know about that -- depending on the billionaire in question, if my vagina got me on his yacht I might end up swimming to Thailand.

[JTG]

If she's a poster-child for the feminist movement, then i assume she has income of her own? Why not suggest your friend try a more modern relationship model where they both share expenses and household duties?

If she's just mooching off of his money with no intent to have her own job, yet complaining about things and expecting to spend his money... then he needs to kick her to the curb. Women like that are worthless.

If she wants to have her own job, and your friend is preventing her from doing it because he wants to maintain control in the relationship, then she needs to kick him to the curb. Men like that are worthless.

[theficklefinger]

	Originally Posted by JTG To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If she's a poster-child for the feminist movement, then i assume she has income of her own? Why not suggest your friend try a more modern relationship model where they both share expenses and household duties?

So he's an asshole for supporting her, buying houses, cars, paying for two kids, starting a career?

[JTG]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So he's an asshole for supporting her, buying houses, cars, paying for two kids, starting a career?

No, he's an asshole if he thinks that means she's obligated to have sex with him.

Besides, when they first met, i'm sure he enjoyed doing all the little things she loved, to entice her to sleep with him. After things settle down, people stop doing all those nice things for each other. Then the sex life goes to hell because one or both of them aren't as happy anymore. If he's still attracted enough to her after having two children that he wants to have sex with her, then he should let her know and make her feel appreciated, rather than just skipping to the sex. Perhaps he should approach her as if she's a person instead of a fuck hole

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Actually what I am saying is that if you don't want your kids to be messed up

My kids are happy, well-adjusted, and make good grades.

	if you want your house taken care of,

Wouldn't hiring a maid be cheaper and more likely to result in greater satisfaction?

	and you actually want someone to appreciate 20 years of working 60 hour weeks

So, wouldn't it be easier for you to marry a woman that works 40 hours a week, while you work 40 hours a week? It sounds to me like you don't want a wife, you want a combination of indentured servant and mother.

	find a woman that will actually appreciate what your bringing to the table.

I appreciate my boyfriend. I think he's kind of glad that he doesn't have to carry the entire burden of providing for the family, as well. I suspect we'll be married within a year. That's the plan, anyway.

FWIW, I was married for 12 years. I was the breadwinner, working 60 hour weeks. I know very well what that life was like. I didn't use it as an excuse to turn my spouse into a household servant.

	A guy has to invest in the best mate for the long term, and most US women have basically knocked themselves out of the job description.

Because you don't want to be married to someone who also has a career? Most of us who do have careers probably aren't interested in the demands you would make of us, to be blunt. So, it's hard for me to see this as a loss.

For instance, I am not interested in being with a man who works 60 hours a week when we can both work 40 and have a better standard of living (and an actual life outside of work).

	Fine, you don't want to be housewives and moms, you don't want to cook for a husband. Ok. Well....now what? Ok, your the fuck buddy.

Surely you don't believe that your opinion on this matter is the only definitive one? I've found that there are no shortage of men who are interested in dating (and potentially marrying) a woman who earns a good income, is financially self-sufficient, owns property, and is still a good parent.

Why are you so attached to a paradigm of having a subservient woman?

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	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So he's an asshole for supporting her, buying houses, cars, paying for two kids, starting a career?

Why would a poster child for the feminist movement expect a man to support her, buy her a house, and buy her a car?

I think you've misinterpreted the feminist movement.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If I woke up tomorrow with a Vagina, inside of a week I would be laying on a billionaires yacht.

If that's our definition of 'win' for a woman, no wonder a regular relationship between two ordinary people gets your scorn.

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So he's an asshole for supporting her, buying houses, cars, paying for two kids, starting a career?

Trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is stupid. Expecting the peg to be grateful for the abuse is moronic.

[AnaK]

You are right plot thickens, I hate discrimination against fat people. I've always had too much padding myself.

And catzmeow, I have noticed that it seems more acceptable to hire someone to mow the lawn and change the oil, traditionally "men's work", but it seems less socially acceptable to hire a cleaning lady. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my impression of things, and I don't think it is fair.

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by AnaK To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And catzmeow, I have noticed that it seems more acceptable to hire someone to mow the lawn and change the oil, traditionally "men's work", but it seems less socially acceptable to hire a cleaning lady. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my impression of things, and I don't think it is fair.

I agree. Most men see nothing wrong with getting their oil changed at jiffy lube and hiring a lawn guy, but would resent a woman hiring a maid or cook.

I think that's utter crap. Of course, I'm a single mom, so I do it all. I mow the lawn and clean the house, and fix things, and cook....AND bring home the paycheck.

[themuzicman]

What? People working in IT can't make a difference?

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What? People working in IT can't make a difference?

I'm not going to lie, I have some biases. I see a lot of corporate behavior as just so much nonsense. People feel urgency over the stupidest stuff, and there is such an air of entitlement with some men in certain fields. I sit next to them in first class when I'm traveling all the time, and if I had to deal with them on a regular basis, I'd end up killing them and burying them in the backyard.

I'd do okay connecting with the IT folks probably (in fact, I dated a couple of IT guys), because we'd connect on the nerd/geek level, at the least, and have common interests. But, I have found that I have the most in common, worldview-wise, with the guys who work in related fields. Those are the people that I feel the most comfortable with.

I'm sure that you can relate, as you likely feel that you have the most in common with people who share your religious views.

[Solaris]

Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm not going to lie, I have some biases. I see a lot of corporate behavior as just so much nonsense. People feel urgency over the stupidest stuff, and there is such an air of entitlement with some men in certain fields. I sit next to them in first class when I'm traveling all the time, and if I had to deal with them on a regular basis, I'd end up killing them and burying them in the backyard. I'd do okay connecting with the IT folks probably (in fact, I dated a couple of IT guys), because we'd connect on the nerd/geek level, at the least, and have common interests. But, I have found that I have the most in common, worldview-wise, with the guys who work in related fields. Those are the people that I feel the most comfortable with. I'm sure that you can relate, as you likely feel that you have the most in common with people who share your religious views.

So really, your list should read "has a career in a field where I feel he can make a difference." I even thought that when I read it. There's certainly nothing wrong with knowing you want a public servant, just call it what it is. Maybe he isn't in it because he wants to serve the public. Maybe it just is what he was pushed into, or what his family has done, so it's all he knows. The point seems to be, though, that *you* view it positively as being a career in which he makes a difference in society by serving others.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	20 years of working 60 hour weeks

Protip: find a wife with a career to cut way the hell down on that shit.

[karenann33]

	Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Protip: find a wife with a career to cut way the hell down on that shit.

Unless you have kids and said career isn't family friendly. I'm all for going back to work but we know the stress on our family isn't worth it so dh works 50-60 hours a week to support us. I cook, I clean, I take care of myself, run all the errands, pay the bills, raise the kids, and yes I love sex. I see many of you women here scoff at my life but I wouldn't have it any other way. Being a feminist isn't for me. Did that for 20 years and am glad I did just to know that I could but I much prefer being at home. I didn't make a very good working mom.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by karenann33 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I see many of you women here scoff at my life but I wouldn't have it any other way. Being a feminist isn't for me. Did that for 20 years and am glad I did just to know that I could but I much prefer being at home. I didn't make a very good working mom.

The feminist movement was to allow every woman gets to do what she wants. SAHM, Executive, part-timer, bum, Volunteer: she gest to choose what she wants and do it.

You're doing exactly what you want, and it's helping everyone. Yeay for you!
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[themuzicman]

The feminist movement also looked down on SAHMs for many years.


I think what you're going to find is that if you have a husband who meets his wife's emotional/mental needs, that she is going to be sexually attracted to him.

[plotthickens]

	Originally Posted by themuzicman To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The feminist movement also looked down on SAHMs for many years.

Not out here, not the movement today, not this Feminist, ever.

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by karenann33 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Being a feminist isn't for me. Did that for 20 years and am glad I did just to know that I could but I much prefer being at home. I didn't make a very good working mom.

What is the correlation between feminism and being a working mom?

[theficklefinger]

Bottom line, traditional families put out better kids. No day care, no pharmaceuticals to manage the kids, no 60% divorce rate.

Regardless how anyone feels about this, in true INTJ fashion I set out to raise superkid, and in doing so I know I wanted super mom....not part time mom, not angry mom, not resentful mom, not mom that hated being mom. So I hired the right girl for the job. Kid skipped 4th grade, no divorces, kid is in college now. No daycare, no drugs, no issues.

Sorry the joke is on the feminists that think they plop out a couple of kids, leave them to be raised by someone else, because all they are thinking is that if they stay at home the man is going to treat them like a slave and then abandon them.

Just go find a better guy..do your homework. Trust me, there are more then a few wives out there just laughing at all the female angst out there. They got a great guy at home, who treats her right.



..............and she gives it up whenever he wants it.



I just had to throw that in there
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[JTG]

	Originally Posted by plotthickens To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Not out here, not the movement today, not this Feminist, ever.

It's true that there are those within the feminist movement who look down on stay at home moms. I've seen a fair bit of resentment against women who go to college and then become homemakers, as if somehow they're wasting their potential and setting back the feminist movement just because they chose motherhood as their preferred path.

I tend to disagree with that, and i think motherhood is one of the most important roles a woman could fill, but i also think that it shouldn't be a woman's only option in life. There's something to be said for fatherhood, too, and i think it's up to each family unit to decide what's best for them.

The idea that a man has to be a breadwinner while the woman has to be a doting maid and mother is outdated to say the least.

	Originally Posted by theficklefinger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Sorry the joke is on the feminists that think they plop out a couple of kids, leave them to be raised by someone else, because all they are thinking is that if they stay at home the man is going to treat them like a slave and then abandon them.

Wow i just saw this. Isn't that exactly what you've been suggesting? Your stance has basically been "women, you need to be subservient. a man has the right to ditch you if you don't put out enough or keep his house clean enough"