[Zsych]

Unfortunately, what the populace at large believes depends on what they are fed. What they are fed currently, is that people who party are superior. What they should believe, is that people who are intelligent are superior.

Incorrect beliefs are damaging to the system, and positive beliefs that cause people to move towards higher standards do need to be reinforced... especially for those who know that these things are important but lack surety in their beliefs.

[Merak]

Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Unfortunately, what the populace at large believes depends on what they are fed. What they are fed currently, is that people who party are superior. What they should believe, is that people who are intelligent are superior. Incorrect beliefs are damaging to the system, and positive beliefs that cause people to move towards higher standards do need to be reinforced... especially for those who know that these things are important but lack surety in their beliefs.

I was unaware that the populace at large is controlling the system.

[Zsych]

They do control the system. They perpetuate beliefs, they set standards, and most people lack the independence of thought to think differently.

Even talented people often conform to society - thus the need to make sure that they don't conform to something stupid.

[Dung]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Unfortunately, what the populace at large believes depends on what they are fed. What they are fed currently, is that people who party are superior. What they should believe, is that people who are intelligent are superior.

Thus you shall only party with intelligent people who like partying...

[Zsych]

The same. Although I'm not a huge partying fan.

[Alanas]

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Other personality traits being the same, an iNtuitive person is 27 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Sensing person. Again, other traits being the same, an Introverted person is 8 times more likely to have a high IQ than one who is Extraverted; a Thinking person is 2.5 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Feeling person; and a Judging person is about twice as likely to have a high IQ than a Perceiving person. Moreover, if you encounter an INTJ, there is a 37% probability that his IQ places him in the top 2 percent of the population. The probability is 20% for an INTP, 15% for an INFJ, and 8% for an INFP. These four types account for 66% of the high-IQ population but only 6% of the total population. I'm an INTJ. Who says science can't be an ego trip?

Superiority does not equates intelligence. Intelligence is only 1 part of the qualities that supposedly "superior" person would have, but it sure is not limited to this. The so-called "superior" one would also be able to excel social interactions, communication, leadership and so on, therefore I say that your chosen name for this topic is flawed, primarily because "The Inherent Superiority of the INTJs" does not actually exist.

	Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Really based on what? If anything, the INTx types are perhaps most likely to excel in obsessive specialist knowledge with little practical application outside of that field. I don't really hold that to be a measure of intelligence.

Ohh, and OP, I believe you seriously pissed this ENTJ'ie here too.

[tandoori85]

Talent is nature's silver spoon, note that it can easily can turn into silver dagger. Combine that with a sense of self-entitlement, you're setting yourself up for a loss. Try to turn your talent in ability, as an INTJ you really can become a very versatile person in life.

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by Alanas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Superiority does not equates intelligence. Intelligence is only 1 part of the qualities that supposedly "superior" person would have, but it sure is not limited to this.

I would love to know how you came up with that statistic.

	Originally Posted by Alanas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The so-called "superior" one would also be able to excel social interactions, communication, leadership and so on, therefore I say that your chosen name for this topic is flawed, primarily because "The Inherent Superiority of the INTJs" does not actually exist.

Extenuating circumstances exempt, I am extremely skilled in social interactions, communications, etcetera. After several academic years of being a social outcast, I decided to improve my 'people skills.' After a fair amount of research and practice, I am able to monopolize any social situation I approach, when so inclined.

That said, it is my belief that INTJs are best able to 'become' superior. Should an INTJ want to be well versed socially, they can do so with comparative ease. The fact that a certain INTJ just doesn't care about social interactions enough to become good at them does not detract from our superiority.

Maybe I should have named the thread "The Tendency for INTJs to have the Ability to, Given Proper Motivation, Become Superior by Nearly Every, if not all Objective Standards, With Comparative Ease when Compared to Other People of Different MB Types,Which is not to Say that all INTJs are Superior, or that all Other Types are Inferior."

That was probably ruder than I intended, but I haven't slept in two days and, frankly, all of the people ranting about my original post is only more tiring.

[TheStranger]

Rather than get hung up on statistics, I have a preference of zoning in and focusing on the individual. Obviously, not all INTJs have high IQs.

[Solaris]

Monopolizing a situation is not exactly the embodiment of social grace. A lot of INTJs can actually do that because they tend to love to hear themselves talk once they get started. Not all, but I've definitely run across some like this.

[Beric]

	Originally Posted by TheStranger To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Rather than get hung up on statistics, I have a preference of zoning in and focusing on the individual. Obviously, not all INTJs have high IQs.

What would be interesting is if you discovered that INTJ's have higher IQ's, perhaps due to more dedicated time spent developing intelligence? Other that that explanation, I see no reason why INTJ's should have higher IQ's.

[TheStranger]

That would be an interesting connection. But, I simply meant that if 37% of INTJs supposedly have high IQs, there are a vast number out there that don't. Being an INTJ doesn't guarantee anything. Not as far as I'm aware, anyway.

[Suspicious]

Intelligence is such an abstract, subjective thing, and IQ is highly debatable as far as being a good judge of that. Intelligence is also not necessarily equivalent to superiority, to me. The fact that MBTI type is potentially very changeable within individuals also makes me not really take this seriously.

If only IQ actually meant something in the real world, eh?

[Alanas]

Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I would love to know how you came up with that statistic [1]. Extenuating circumstances exempt, I am [2] extremely skilled in social interactions, communications, etcetera. After several academic years of being a social outcast, I decided to improve my 'people skills.' After a fair amount of research and practice, I am able to monopolize any social situation I approach, when so inclined. That said, it is my belief that INTJs are best able to 'become' superior. Should an INTJ want to be well versed socially, they can do so with comparative ease [2]. The fact that a certain INTJ just doesn't care about social interactions enough to become good at them does not detract from our superiority. Maybe I should have named the thread "The Tendency for INTJs to have the Ability to, Given Proper Motivation, Become Superior by Nearly Every [3], if not all Objective Standards, With Comparative Ease when Compared to Other People of Different MB Types,Which is not to Say that all INTJs are Superior, or that all Other Types are Inferior." That was probably ruder than I intended [4], but I haven't slept in two days and, frankly, all of the people ranting about my original post is only more tiring.

[1] Well, this isn't some kind of a statistic, only assumption, but it's quite logical if you think about it. Intelligence is nothing more but potential. Superiority is when you already are the best of the bests.

[2] You might very well be, but that does not mean that average INTJ is the same way, hence "the Inherent Superiority" hardly is rational. Also, I still believe that extroverts on average are better at dealing in social interactions as they, unlike you, GET energy from it, hence can interact much longer than you do. So, introverts aren't superior at this sphere.

[3] Now you're closer to reality. In order to become good at spheres that you inherently aren't, it takes a lot of dedication and hard work, which removes the correctness of your original name of this topic. However, in my opinion, there still are limitations. Extroversion of extroverts will, in my opinion, always be more genuine than ours. We may be extroverted because we must to, they - because they want to. Big difference. Similar trends are with feeling and sensing too. Also, I believe you did not take into account that other types can do this (practicing on their weaknesses that is) as well, and, just like we have to work on social skills and feelings, for example, ESFPs usually have to work on becoming hard working and acquiring knowledge.

[4] Ohh noezz... I got my FEEEEEELINGS hurt! Now I'm gonna cry and look for an ENFP female for a hug.
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[Muumeh]

Wouldn't superiority also include things like appearance (pretty people), physical strength, talent in different fields of art etc etc.

[Othesemo]

	Originally Posted by Alanas To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	[2] You might very well be, but that does not mean that average INTJ is the same way, To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To my knowledge, I am not in possession of some sort of super-gene or anything of that sort. Thus, it is my assumption that my abilities and strengths are shared by other INTJs.

And, if I may, superiority in nearly every field equates, in my book, to general superiority. The fact that any given person might be better looking than one, or that certain people could beat one in a knife-fight does not detract from one's superb mental focus, discipline, force of will, charisma and martial arts training.


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And, as I have previously mentioned, I do not mean that every INTJ is born speaking three languages. Assuming that two people are born with objectively equal talents, and both work as hard at achieving certain goals, the INTJ would achieve proficiency before the other by virtue of his/her natural INTJness. Thus, though an individual INTJ could be weak, ugly or destitute, he or she has the natural capability to excel in his or her situation to a greater extent than another in the same situation. INTJs are fast and dedicated learners when motivated to be, and so are superior.

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am able to monopolize any social situation I approach, when so inclined.

No, I am not describing extroversion. I am responding to ^that. Monopolizing social situations is to be an ass typically, not to possess superior social skills.

[merullo23]

I only agree with the science because it makes me smile, haha.

[Agent]

There is always someone smarter than you. More successful than you. Prettier. Richer. Younger. If you're looking to feel better about yourself, make peace with this.

[Othesemo]

What makes you think that I'm not?

[einsteinette]

I think INTJs and INTPs are equally smart but INTJs are more efficient and systematical

[BellaBianca]

I think INTPs typically don't give a shit about pissing contests, so please leave us out of it.

[demaugustus]

Originally Posted by Othesemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Other personality traits being the same, an iNtuitive person is 27 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Sensing person. Again, other traits being the same, an Introverted person is 8 times more likely to have a high IQ than one who is Extraverted; a Thinking person is 2.5 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Feeling person; and a Judging person is about twice as likely to have a high IQ than a Perceiving person. Moreover, if you encounter an INTJ, there is a 37% probability that his IQ places him in the top 2 percent of the population. The probability is 20% for an INTP, 15% for an INFJ, and 8% for an INFP. These four types account for 66% of the high-IQ population but only 6% of the total population. I'm an INTJ. Who says science can't be an ego trip?

Wow. Just wow. Some people on this forum need to read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould. Why don't some of you just pack the sand a little harder in your skulls before you weigh them, eh?

[zen]

	Originally Posted by Agent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	There is always someone smarter than you. More successful than you. Prettier. Richer. Younger. If you're looking to feel better about yourself, make peace with this.

I experienced this 'truth' when I was young; and I kept some sort of humble view on the world since. I understand the reasoning to compare yourself to others, but I never understood the concept of using any sort of measurement to "declare" yourself above someone or some defined group.

I don't see the benefit. If you really think you are so special, you can use your 'specialness' to be rich, famous, the biggest crime lord, whatever. But I still need to meet someone who used their supposed grandeur for anything useful then standing on this wry self build pedestal.

Most true successful people I know are quite reserved and humorously confident.

[nettneu]

	Originally Posted by Anhedonic Lake To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Intelligence does not necessarily follow from being INTJ. I've seen some pretty damn stupid comments and arguments on this forum over time.

Intelligence does not preclude posting stupid comments and arguments. (Let alone comments and arguments that other people think are stupid.)