Why INTJs are villains!!!

**Fryman58** · 01-02-2011, 06:39 PM

The answer is simple. There is no argument.

Villains are cool.

Thus INTJs will be portray as villains since villains it is cool.

Megamind is a great example of this answer. Megamind was a villain because it was cool even though deep down he was a hero.

**Sk8ordude** · 01-02-2011, 07:57 PM

If I had to guess based only on information I've compiled from the vast array of "intjs" on this forum.

For many intjs the fantasy of being a villain is a way of getting back at the society for not being as welcoming towards them as they think they deserve (even if that villain is only a fantasy or entertaining frame of mind).

For other intjs the idea of a more anti-hero type of villain is more appealing because they want to be able to do whatever it is they want to with their life and be whoever they want to be, with the added perk of being "cool".

And a few intjs really are villains simply because with a well executed plan it is the most efficient way to get ahead in this money based world.

The last one is the only one that has any appeal to me, however the inherent flaw in crime is behind every criminal master mind there are a bunch of idiots that will most likely f**k it all up (in a vast majority of cases anyways).

**jerdol** · 01-02-2011, 08:10 PM

In most hero/villain movies, the goal is to face the hero against the most insurmountable odds imaginable. So when designing the mastermind villain, the writers look for the most competent, efficient, ruthless, intelligent villain they can think of. Obviously, an INTJ works best. INTJs root for them, because we admire competence, efficiency, ruthlessness and intelligence.
It is the INTJ dream that once we're competent enough, we can abandon social norms. That's what killing minions on whim is all about.

**dandylion** · 01-02-2011, 08:48 PM

Why not be a villain?

**rednet2** · 01-03-2011, 08:40 AM

Because INTJs are often dark, cynical and love power.

**jkatra** · 01-03-2011, 09:39 PM

INTJs are also known as the strategist personality. The villain is usually the one who implements an aggressive strategy towards achieving something, so I think there is some identification from INTJs towards anyone who loves creating an aggressive and innovative strategy. A good example of that is the Emperor in the Star Wars movies. He had an elaborate long-term strategy about achieving power. What was Yoda's elaborate long-term strategy?? Yoda just kept telling Luke to use the Force... very simple, not elaborate, and focused on the moment.

**manutdman** · 01-04-2011, 05:09 AM

I have to be honest here.

I've been traveling in India for nearly 2 months. And seeing so many crippled beggars makes me think "That's no way to go through life. I can understand the idea of 'cleansing' now. I would take all these poor cripples and send them on their way into their next lives."

It's evil but with good intentions?

**shorecar** · 01-04-2011, 06:14 AM

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	I have to be honest here. I've been traveling in India for nearly 2 months. And seeing so many crippled beggars makes me think "That's no way to go through life. I can understand the idea of 'cleansing' now. I would take all these poor cripples and send them on their way into their next lives." It's evil but with good intentions?

better ask the crippled beggars directly if your ""good intentions" would be appreciated by them? and what if you believed that there is no afterlife, or at least you didn't have sound evidence of its existence?

**Fryman58** · 01-05-2011, 09:08 PM

	Originally Posted by Sk8ordude To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The last one is the only one that has any appeal to me, however the inherent flaw in crime is behind every criminal master mind there are a bunch of idiots that will most likely f**k it all up (in a vast majority of cases anyways).

That is why we have the Peter's Evil Overlord List to help us in our quest for victory.

**MissBlossom** · 01-06-2011, 08:47 AM

	Originally Posted by Fryman58 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The answer is simple. There is no argument. Villains are cool.

what kind of an argument is that?

	Originally Posted by Sk8ordude To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	For many intjs the fantasy of being a villain is a way of getting back at the society for not being as welcoming towards them as they think they deserve (even if that villain is only a fantasy or entertaining frame of mind).

I agree with this completely.

**Fryman58** · 01-06-2011, 09:45 AM

	Originally Posted by MissBlossom To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	what kind of an argument is that?

A very poor one that is made in a sarcastic manner.

**Merak** · 01-06-2011, 12:53 PM

NT's, especially of the J variety, often fall into the villain category. Being empathetic is for the good guys. Being logical is reserved for the bad guys.

e.g., "I am going to kill off 80%+ of the human population since we consume too many of Earth's resources." Logic.

**Linwenilid** · 01-06-2011, 01:33 PM

We are not naturally in tune to people's feelings, so we tend to walk all over touchy-feely types when trying to achieve something. Therefore, villains.

Not that I mind in the slightest, though.

**Venom** · 01-06-2011, 03:28 PM

When watching movies or reading books, the villains are the only ones I can relate to. Mostly because their motives are so down-to-Earth: "Going from point A to point B, and if anyone and anything gets in the way, I will utterly destroy them". That idea just resonates with me.

**True Rune** · 01-06-2011, 05:33 PM

So we have this dark normal desire to appear cool?

Good to know.

Othesemo · 01-06-2011, 05:53 PM

Apart from the innate appeal of villainy as "cool," I think that INTJs act "evil" out of resentment for heroes. I often find myself loathing the people who win everyones hearts with cries of empathy or who everyone admires for their heroic deeds. I believe that, should I be given power, I could handle it with infinitely superior skill. Consequently I try to foil the plans of the "good guys" out of spite. I think that we're more anti-heroes than villains.

**Toad** · 01-06-2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Othesemo
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Apart from the innate appeal of villainy as "cool," I think that INTJs act "evil" out of resentment for heroes. I often find myself loathing the people who win everyones hearts with cries of empathy or who everyone admires for their heroic deeds. I believe that, should I be given power, I could handle it with infinitely superior skill. Consequently I try to foil the plans of the "good guys" out of spite. I think that we're more anti-heroes than villains.

I agree. I have a dark, nasty hatred for the types of people you described.

**psynite** · 01-06-2011, 06:19 PM


	INTJs are also known as the strategist personality. The villain is usually the one who implements an aggressive strategy towards achieving something, so I think there is some identification from INTJs towards anyone who loves creating an aggressive and innovative strategy.

I find myself creating comprehensive plans when I am not confident in winging it in this manner...it feels like cheating almost....but I got the imagination, so Im going to use it screw everything else! Muahahaha!

**Vagrant** · 01-07-2011, 10:34 AM

I think INTJs prefer to be anti-heroes more than anything else. We have our best interests at heart, but we're also aware that helping the public usually will help serve our needs too.

Lex Luthor was one of those types of people.

**Anreader** · 01-07-2011, 10:58 PM

I agree. We're more antihero than villain, but, between hero and villain, I prefer villain. I frequently hate the hero. The tall strong alpha dude with his glowingly obvious emotions... bah humbug! Give me a complex, dark, conflicted hero with doubts and crises of faith. Save Dudley Do-Right for Saturday mornings. I much prefer Guerrero.

**davai** · 01-09-2011, 08:44 AM

Yeah they do seem to fit the role rather nicely. What about INTJ superheros - Ironman?... that's all i can think of for the moment.

**Zsych** · 01-09-2011, 08:54 AM

	Originally Posted by shorecar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	better ask the crippled beggars directly if your ""good intentions" would be appreciated by them? and what if you believed that there is no afterlife, or at least you didn't have sound evidence of its existence?

It is not the Lord's job to ask serfs what they want, but to do what is in their better interests despite whether or not their lesser minds can see their Lord's vision
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**woodywoodpecker** · 01-09-2011, 09:59 AM

If I wrote a novel in which the hero is an INTJ and the main villain is an ESFP (or a certain SF type ), do you think it will be a phenomenon that has been particularly successful in the literature ?

**Uriel** · 01-09-2011, 11:35 AM

	Originally Posted by woodywoodpecker To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If I wrote a novel in which the hero is an INTJ and the main villain is an ESFP (or a certain SF type ), do you think it will be a phenomenon that has been particularly successful in the literature ?

If you let the reader think that the hero is the ESFP in the beginning, then the twist will be that the INTJ is actually the hero in the end.

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Also...

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...he's such a dreamboat

**Zsych** · 01-09-2011, 11:40 AM

Its difficult to imagine a powerful ESFP, who has gotten there by his own skills. Maybe a cult of fun gone mad, or someone who inherited shit-tons of money.

You could wage war against the waste and decay caused by an ESFP ruler. It'd be a complex story though.

01-02-2011, 06:39 PM	#1
Fryman58 Member [10%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 404	The answer is simple. There is no argument. Villains are cool. Thus INTJs will be portray as villains since villains it is cool. Megamind is a great example of this answer. Megamind was a villain because it was cool even though deep down he was a hero.
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01-02-2011, 07:57 PM	#2
Sk8ordude Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,392	If I had to guess based only on information I've compiled from the vast array of "intjs" on this forum. For many intjs the fantasy of being a villain is a way of getting back at the society for not being as welcoming towards them as they think they deserve (even if that villain is only a fantasy or entertaining frame of mind). For other intjs the idea of a more anti-hero type of villain is more appealing because they want to be able to do whatever it is they want to with their life and be whoever they want to be, with the added perk of being "cool". And a few intjs really are villains simply because with a well executed plan it is the most efficient way to get ahead in this money based world. The last one is the only one that has any appeal to me, however the inherent flaw in crime is behind every criminal master mind there are a bunch of idiots that will most likely f**k it all up (in a vast majority of cases anyways).
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01-02-2011, 08:10 PM	#3
jerdol Member [13%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 555	In most hero/villain movies, the goal is to face the hero against the most insurmountable odds imaginable. So when designing the mastermind villain, the writers look for the most competent, efficient, ruthless, intelligent villain they can think of. Obviously, an INTJ works best. INTJs root for them, because we admire competence, efficiency, ruthlessness and intelligence. It is the INTJ dream that once we're competent enough, we can abandon social norms. That's what killing minions on whim is all about.
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01-02-2011, 08:48 PM	#4
dandylion Member [41%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,678	Why not be a villain?
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01-03-2011, 08:40 AM	#5
rednet2 Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 192	Because INTJs are often dark, cynical and love power.
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jkatra Core Member [710%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,416	INTJs are also known as the strategist personality. The villain is usually the one who implements an aggressive strategy towards achieving something, so I think there is some identification from INTJs towards anyone who loves creating an aggressive and innovative strategy. A good example of that is the Emperor in the Star Wars movies. He had an elaborate long-term strategy about achieving power. What was Yoda's elaborate long-term strategy?? Yoda just kept telling Luke to use the Force... very simple, not elaborate, and focused on the moment.
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01-04-2011, 05:09 AM	#7
manutdman Member [02%] MBTI: IxTJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 107	I have to be honest here. I've been traveling in India for nearly 2 months. And seeing so many crippled beggars makes me think "That's no way to go through life. I can understand the idea of 'cleansing' now. I would take all these poor cripples and send them on their way into their next lives." It's evil but with good intentions?
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01-06-2011, 12:53 PM	#12
Merak Member [20%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 815	NT's, especially of the J variety, often fall into the villain category. Being empathetic is for the good guys. Being logical is reserved for the bad guys. e.g., "I am going to kill off 80%+ of the human population since we consume too many of Earth's resources." Logic.
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01-06-2011, 01:33 PM	#13
Linwenilid Member [22%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 918	We are not naturally in tune to people's feelings, so we tend to walk all over touchy-feely types when trying to achieve something. Therefore, villains. Not that I mind in the slightest, though.
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01-06-2011, 03:28 PM	#14
Venom New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 16	When watching movies or reading books, the villains are the only ones I can relate to. Mostly because their motives are so down-to-Earth: "Going from point A to point B, and if anyone and anything gets in the way, I will utterly destroy them". That idea just resonates with me.
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True Rune Core Member [200%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 8,028	So we have this dark normal desire to appear cool? Good to know.
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Othesemo Core Member [122%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,890	Apart from the innate appeal of villainy as "cool," I think that INTJs act "evil" out of resentment for heroes. I often find myself loathing the people who win everyones hearts with cries of empathy or who everyone admires for their heroic deeds. I believe that, should I be given power, I could handle it with infinitely superior skill. Consequently I try to foil the plans of the "good guys" out of spite. I think that we're more anti-heroes than villains.
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01-07-2011, 10:34 AM	#19
Vagrant Core Member [155%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,232	I think INTJs prefer to be anti-heroes more than anything else. We have our best interests at heart, but we're also aware that helping the public usually will help serve our needs too. Lex Luthor was one of those types of people.
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01-07-2011, 10:58 PM	#20
Anreader Member [23%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 922	I agree. We're more antihero than villain, but, between hero and villain, I prefer villain. I frequently hate the hero. The tall strong alpha dude with his glowingly obvious emotions... bah humbug! Give me a complex, dark, conflicted hero with doubts and crises of faith. Save Dudley Do-Right for Saturday mornings. I much prefer Guerrero.
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01-09-2011, 08:44 AM	#21
davai Core Member [177%] MBTI: Infp Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 7,119	Yeah they do seem to fit the role rather nicely. What about INTJ superheros - Ironman?... that's all i can think of for the moment.
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woodywoodpecker Member [04%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 186	If I wrote a novel in which the hero is an INTJ and the main villain is an ESFP (or a certain SF type ), do you think it will be a phenomenon that has been particularly successful in the literature ?
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01-09-2011, 11:40 AM	#25
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,372	Its difficult to imagine a powerful ESFP, who has gotten there by his own skills. Maybe a cult of fun gone mad, or someone who inherited shit-tons of money. You could wage war against the waste and decay caused by an ESFP ruler. It'd be a complex story though.
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