[Mogura]

An INFJ's primary cognitive process pattern goes like this: Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. Stipulating that all cognitive processes are used to a certain degree, it would appear that an INFJ can have a personal preference for Ni (their dominant function) or Fe (their auxiliary function).

I think that this may explain why I am not a people person and more of a science geek (and perhaps INTJ-like in that regard): I am Ni rich and Fe poor. I think that this may also explain why I don't seem to connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought: they are either more balanced (than I am) or Fe rich and Ni poor.

You may have heard the terms "Mystic" or "Psychic" to describe INFJs. I don't take this to mean that INFJs have superpowers--just that they are more adept at reading people. I just happen to be aloof--I don't happen to clue into person-to-person interaction fails until after the fact (my Doh! moment).

Other terms to describe INFJs include "Counselor" and "Nurturer". Sorry, but I don't care about other people's problems (not that I wish them ill will--I just have other things on my mind) nor do I care about a person's growth or self discovery.

Does this make any sense? Really, I am just trying to figure out why I'm not a Tarot Card-reading, unicorn-loving, mind-reading type of INFJ, and instead a science-loving, nature-loving, people-avoidant type of INFJ...

[Solaris]

Severely underdeveloped Fe, or not an INFJ. That's my two guesses. Cannot say which it is. Remember, a preference for a process does not always equal facility with said process.

[Mogura]

Just to clarify, in this case "preference" does not mean conscious choice. Rather, a subconscious or involuntary one, if that makes sense...

[freeeekyyy]

Makes sense to me. I'm a Te-rich INTJ. I understand Ni, and I definitely use it a lot, but my Te is what really stands out. Every time I've ever taken a cognitive functions test, I always show stronger Te than Ni.

[Mogura]

I haven't taken any of the cognitive functions tests because the questions bore me to death in the same way those logic puzzles bored me to death on the GRE.

I just know that I live for identifying and exploiting patterns. LOL...

[phoboser]

You don't seem very Fe to me, but at times you're swimming in Fi. Maybe you're an INTJ with almost balanced T/F with a tendency towards strong Fi only in certain situations.

Also, maybe you're not a unicorn freak because you're not a moron.

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by phoboser To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You don't seem very Fe to me, but at times you're swimming in Fi. Maybe you're an INTJ with almost balanced T/F with a tendency towards strong Fi only in certain situations. Also, maybe you're not a unicorn freak because you're not a moron.

Ditto and Ditto to the bolded and underlined. What you described in the OP is the absence of Fe. If you find you need to say that you are a Fe user, but you just don't use Fe like anyone else -- well, it's probably not Fe, you're probably just confused or trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

[yoginimama]

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	An INFJ's primary cognitive process pattern goes like this: Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. ...it would appear that an INFJ can have a personal preference for Ni (their dominant function) or Fe (their auxiliary function). ...I am Ni rich and Fe poor. I think that this may also explain why I don't seem to connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought...Does this make any sense?

The bolded part suggests to me that you may not in fact be INFJ. I initially tested INFJ too, and the overall descriptions seemed to fit me. But when I joined INFJ mailing lists and such, I quickly found that I could not relate to other INFJs. It was nonstop "Yeah, but..." and "WTF." It just felt 'wrong'--alien.

In my experience, if you can't "connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought," it probably means you use a different function order than them. (And hence are not, in fact, INFJ.)

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I haven't taken any of the cognitive functions tests because the questions bore me to death

Take some. You're interested enough in MBTI to be on this forum. You're sufficiently aware of nuances to see that you don't fit in with other INFJs. The tests are directly relevant to these issues.

[dontmesswithme]

Mogura, after taking a few cognitive processes tests I came to realise that I'm not exactly INFP after all. I use functions for both INFP's and INFJ's. So I retyped. I didn't want to admit to any INFJ-ish tendencies because my mother is INFJ and I didn't want to be like her. But my functions are my functions. Those tests helped me a lot with figuring some things out about my personality.

[Functianalyst]

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	An INFJ's primary cognitive process pattern goes like this: Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. Stipulating that all cognitive processes are used to a certain degree, it would appear that an INFJ can have a personal preference for Ni (their dominant function) or Fe (their auxiliary function).

Only one will be what Jung calls, your most differentiated function. That function should always stick out, in particularly for introverting types since we do prefer functions that preclude us from external influences like extraverts. I use Ti-Se-Ni-Fe, and may skip my Se instead vacillating between the use Ti and Ni. As for your model, my functions would probably be more like: Ti>Se^Ni>Fe. But if my energy is really low and I am withdrawing a lot, I have observed my functions as: Ti>Se<Ni>Fe. As you claim above we do use the four functions to a certain degree and that degree is a compensatory measurement. Jung only claimed that one function is differentiated and no other function can be it’s equal. Other than that, he says our auxiliary function is always present, but never said our tertiary can be as strong, if not stronger than the auxiliary function. For an INFJ, you can go Ni-Ti.

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think that this may explain why I am not a people person and more of a science geek (and perhaps INTJ-like in that regard): I am Ni rich and Fe poor. I think that this may also explain why I don't seem to connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought: they are either more balanced (than I am) or Fe rich and Ni poor.

Which should be to no surprise or considered unusual. There is nothing that indicates someone preferring Ni-Ti violates the principles of type, instead it means your Ti is probably stronger or more developed than your Fe. We should remember, Jung developed E/I first then added the functions to create function-attitudes. So it would be natural for a person with a strong introverted or extraverted attitude to develop those using the respective attitude to develop more.

[Yardy]

Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

An INFJ's primary cognitive process pattern goes like this: Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. Stipulating that all cognitive processes are used to a certain degree, it would appear that an INFJ can have a personal preference for Ni (their dominant function) or Fe (their auxiliary function). I think that this may explain why I am not a people person and more of a science geek (and perhaps INTJ-like in that regard): I am Ni rich and Fe poor. I think that this may also explain why I don't seem to connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought: they are either more balanced (than I am) or Fe rich and Ni poor. You may have heard the terms "Mystic" or "Psychic" to describe INFJs. I don't take this to mean that INFJs have superpowers--just that they are more adept at reading people. I just happen to be aloof--I don't happen to clue into person-to-person interaction fails until after the fact (my Doh! moment). Other terms to describe INFJs include "Counselor" and "Nurturer". Sorry, but I don't care about other people's problems (not that I wish them ill will--I just have other things on my mind) nor do I care about a person's growth or self discovery. Does this make any sense? Really, I am just trying to figure out why I'm not a Tarot Card-reading, unicorn-loving, mind-reading type of INFJ, and instead a science-loving, nature-loving, people-avoidant type of INFJ...

When my life sucks (I mean, when it's legitimately bad), I sound just like you. When my life is fantastic, I ride my unicorn and invite everybody to come along. Does this sound familiar?

When life has gone good in the past, have you said totally different things?

Also, education kills superstitions. I was cleansed too =p.

[Mogura]

	Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ditto and Ditto to the bolded and underlined. What you described in the OP is the absence of Fe. If you find you need to say that you are a Fe user, but you just don't use Fe like anyone else -- well, it's probably not Fe, you're probably just confused or trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

Well, if you consider the CognitiveProcesses.com definition of Fe:

The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.

I can and often do make the connections described above, and I have no mental or emotional blocks about doing so. But I am far from a "mind reader". I seem to be stunted in the ability to pick up on subtle clues. That's probably because I'm living in the future more than the present (Ni vs Se), so perhaps that's why...

Originally Posted by yoginimama To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The bolded part suggests to me that you may not in fact be INFJ. I initially tested INFJ too, and the overall descriptions seemed to fit me. But when I joined INFJ mailing lists and such, I quickly found that I could not relate to other INFJs. It was nonstop "Yeah, but..." and "WTF." It just felt 'wrong'--alien. In my experience, if you can't "connect with or follow other INFJs' lines of thought," it probably means you use a different function order than them. (And hence are not, in fact, INFJ.)

Well, one thing about connecting with or following other INFJs' lines of thought, those thoughts can be often feeling-based, and those feelings can be based on unique personal experiences, interests, hormonal fluctuations, etc. So, in a sense, it can't be said that INFJs are all cut from the same mold--they aren't. Contrast this with INTJs, whose thoughts are often logic based (cut from the same mold, in a sense), so perhaps it is easier for INTJs to connect with each other.

Every now and then,you come across a confirmed INTJ that sucks at math, science, etc. Well, perhaps it's just that I'm an INFJ that sucks at reading people in the same vein.

When I read overall descriptions of types, INFJ (including strengths and weaknesses) fits me almost to a T.

I don't think I'm INTJ, though (I thought I was when I joined the site, though). I love you guys, but hell if I'm getting any connection from you (but I do follow your logic most of the time)...

	Originally Posted by Yardy249 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When my life sucks (I mean, when it's legitimately bad), I sound just like you. When my life is fantastic, I ride my unicorn and invite everybody to come along. Does this sound familiar?

Someone took my unicorn off to the glue factory.

	Originally Posted by Yardy249 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When life has gone good in the past, have you said totally different things?

Even when life went well for me in the past, I tended to keep my unicorn riding to myself...

[Mogura]

	Jung Test Results ( To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ) Introverted (I) 53.57% Extroverted (E) 46.43% Sensing (S) 53.13% Intuitive (N) 46.88% Feeling (F) 55.56% Thinking (T) 44.44% Judging (J) 58.62% Perceiving (P) 41.38% Your type is: ISFJ

I actually put some effort into completing this test (actually putting some thought into my responses), and this is what I get? LOL.

seriously, I've been on this forum for a little over 2 years now. I've exceeded 4,000 posts, spilling my verbal diarrhea for all to see, thus embarrassing myself in the process and unwittlingly earning the title 'forum pariah'. But nevertheless, I've likely left behind clues regarding my true type. Perhaps some individuals that are more insightful than myself (on MBTI theory, cognitive processes, etc.) can clue me in.

On the table of consideration: INTJ, INTP, INFJ, ENFP. The ISFJ thing caught me by surprise. So, INTJs, INTPs, INFJs, ENFPs, and ISFJs... do I give off a familiar "type vibe" for your type?

I'll say this much. I never really got the whole huggle concept. I prefer real hugs from real people (e.g., chicks). Maybe I am SF.

Somebody come and claim me from the 'Lost and Found'.

Thanks...

[MortalWombat]

I really don't think you're an S. I always thought you were leaning a little to the T side, to be an INTJ. But not ISFJ.

[Amphorian]

You are no SJ. Far too idealistic.

[Mogura]

	Originally Posted by Amphorian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You are no SJ. Far too idealistic.

The test results do not lie, or do they?

SFJs can't be idealistic? Does this mean that I am still an INFJ?

[Imagineering]

It means nothing.

[ModernLit]

i had an s vs. n problem/crisis a few weeks back. i recovered pretty quickly, though. refer to some of my posts if you like. if you know yourself well enough, the panic abates and you return to your true picture of yourself as you know yourself. does that make sense?

p.s. yes test results can lie. if you want to know if you're an S or N, there is a simple thing you can do. pile some office supply crap on a table, take a few minutes to inspect the office supplies, then write a paragraph about what you see. contact me if you have any questions. depending on what you write, you can tell if you're an S or N. (unfortunately when i took this test, i was equally S *AND* N, so that was a problem. most people don't have as complex a problem as i did, though.) good luck.

[Amphorian]

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The test results do not lie, or do they? SFJs can't be idealistic? Does this mean that I am still an INFJ?

I tested INTJ on all the MBTI tests I came across until one this year which gave me ISTP. I test INTP and ISTP on cognitive function tests. Tests are only 39-76% accurate. Didn't you come here as an INTJ?

[Mogura]

	Originally Posted by ModernLit To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i had an s vs. n problem/crisis a few weeks back. i recovered pretty quickly, though. refer to some of my posts if you like. if you know yourself well enough, the panic abates and you return to your true picture of yourself as you know yourself. does that make sense?

I read somewhere that it typical for an INFJ to constantly question oneself and reassess his/her own situation. It could be that...

[Amphorian]

	Originally Posted by Mogura To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I read somewhere that it typical for an INFJ to constantly question oneself and reassess his/her own situation. It could be that...

I'm sure that happens to most people that are actually interested in MBTI.

[ModernLit]

	Originally Posted by Amphorian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I tested INTJ on all the MBTI tests I came across until one this year which gave me ISTP. I test INTP and ISTP on cognitive function tests. Tests are only 39-76% accurate. Didn't you come here as an INTJ?

it also depends on your mood the time and day you take the test. i've consistently tested INTJ on the majority of tests i've taken since i started them in high school. if you have a balanced S and N function though, depending on the questions and how you are feeling in particular when answering them, you can skew your results one way or another. P and J are sometimes pretty close, too. apparently you're not supposed to have close S and N because it's how you "see the world" and it's either one way or the other, predominantly. but i think you can balance and see the world from both angles at times. i've concluded that i intuit most of the time, even though i like details and have trained myself to use my senses. it's whatever comes most natural to you. and yes, people into MBTI probably question their results. why else would there be forums and discussions about it to such an extent as this.

[Mogura]

	Originally Posted by Amphorian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Didn't you come here as an INTJ?

I originally arrived as an INTJ. One of my first posts was a "What am I?"-type of post (with a poll included), where I spilled my verbal diarrhea and innermost thoughts on everything under the sun. I think I was voted, 'INTJ', and I lived the lie, freeloading and enjoying the perks of INTJ-hood, such as automatic upgrades to business class, complimentary fine wine and cheese, beautiful, seductive women, and an understanding of mathematical principles.

And then at some point I realized that I couldn't live the lie any longer. So, I switched over to 'INFJ' because it seemed like the cool thing to do at the time. Little did I realize that I would be taking on people's fucking problems and abuse as an accidental therapist. The career options also suck, and somebody absconded with my cheese. I want a simpler life. I want to feel the warmth of the sun on my face, eat good food (organic), and ride a bike to a place I have never been before. ISFJ suits me to that purpose...

Originally Posted by ModernLit To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

if you want to know if you're an S or N, there is a simple thing you can do. pile some office supply crap on a table, take a few minutes to inspect the office supplies, then write a paragraph about what you see. contact me if you have any questions. depending on what you write, you can tell if you're an S or N. (unfortunately when i took this test, i was equally S *AND* N, so that was a problem. most people don't have as complex a problem as i did, though.) good luck.

No offense, but that sounds horribly, mind-numbingly boring.

So, how did I do?

[Amphorian]

Maybe you should just study the functions more if you're still wondering.

[Mogura]

	Originally Posted by ModernLit To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	it also depends on your mood the time and day you take the test. i've consistently tested INTJ on the majority of tests i've taken since i started them in high school. if you have a balanced S and N function though, depending on the questions and how you are feeling in particular when answering them, you can skew your results one way or another. P and J are sometimes pretty close, too.

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