What if you saw a pregnant woman downing shots?

**Zsych** · 12-12-2010, 09:31 AM

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If you see a woman late in her pregnancy having shots of tequila, what would you do?

As usual, men don't seem to like telling women that they're wrong. Women have less trouble telling a woman that she's doing something wrong.

I'm not sure what I would do beyond telling the woman about the risks. For one thing, if she drinks like this so late in her pregnancy, then that's probably what she's been doing the whole time, so the kid is most likely destroyed already... That and I'm not sure what you can do. I don't particularly care about people's privacy or their right to make choices (when they're obviously wrong)... but you can't really fix this. You have no legal authority, and trying to seriously stop her would basically get you in a mess.

Interestingly, one man makes the comment that 'its not about you having fun, the baby's number one and you're number two now'
I have the impression that a lot of INTJ women, especially those who haven't had kids would have a bad reaction to that idea (although I wouldn't expect them to be drinking during pregnancy)

**BlackFlames** · 12-12-2010, 11:47 AM

I would go and get my sythe and threaten her to stop or I will end her!

Seriously though I wouldnt tell her a thing. If its that late she knows what she is doing and doesnt care. I would probably look at her with a raised eyebrow. Yeah in a sitch like that she would probably lash out at me and I would just walk away knowing I tried.

**Anhedonic Lake** · 12-12-2010, 12:08 PM

With a "Mother" like that, the kid would probably be better off not being born.

stasis · 12-12-2010, 12:36 PM

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If you see a woman late in her pregnancy having shots of tequila, what would you do?

Watch. Maybe post about it on the internet later that evening.

**larrysb** · 12-12-2010, 12:53 PM

Geez, I think I would stop watching television.

**HAL 9000** · 12-12-2010, 01:00 PM

I would probably make one backhanded comment and walk away.

**Still Standing** · 12-12-2010, 01:00 PM

Hmm, U.S. privileges here. Canucks ain't allowed to see the video.

Beyond potential physiological damage to the baby, the mother-to-be doesn't seem to care enough to be a good mother anyway so there's no point in saying anything. Social Services will try and take care of all that later.

**Seriously** · 12-12-2010, 01:47 PM

I would say something to her and then leave as I would rather not watch.

To address your comment about


	Interestingly, one man makes the comment that 'its not about you having fun, the baby's number one and you're number two now' I have the impression that a lot of INTJ women, especially those who haven't had kids would have a bad reaction to that idea (although I wouldn't expect them to be drinking during pregnancy)

It's about responsibility. If you decide to have a baby then it does take precedence. Why would you think an INTJ woman would put herself first over her unborn child?

**Zsych** · 12-12-2010, 02:17 PM

Well many INTJ seem not to want to have kids anyway, so they're not willing to be number two anyway - that's kinda what I mean.

**JJ Tarvas** · 12-12-2010, 02:36 PM

It would really depend on my mood. I'd be just as likely to ignore her as to make a huge scene. I often don't have the energy for additional confrontations outside of the workplace, but I have no problem with public humiliation and shunning.

I wouldn't support laws restricting the sale of alcohol to pregnant women, but I would happily tell her off and support anyone else who did. I don't think less of the people who kept to themselves. I don't know what they have going on in their lives, and some broad knocking back tequila shots and telling everyone her third-trimester fetus is getting a good buzz might be the least of their worries.

**Zsych** · 12-12-2010, 02:39 PM

Considering it causes decent deformities, I wouldn't consider a woman drinking seriously during her pregnancy a minor crime. That has to be considered equivalent to assault that causes permanent physical and mental damage.

**Seriously** · 12-12-2010, 02:46 PM

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well many INTJ seem not to want to have kids anyway, so they're not willing to be number two anyway - that's kinda what I mean.

There is a difference between not wanting to have children and not taking care of them once you make a decision to have one. That would include taking care of them while you are carrying to term.

**NovXI** · 12-12-2010, 02:59 PM

Reminds me of this:

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**eagleseven** · 12-12-2010, 03:04 PM

I don't like hanging out with clearly self-destructive people, so I would leave.

**Peaceolgy** · 12-12-2010, 03:19 PM

Under the assumption she is aware of the ramifications of her actions, pointing that out seems pretty pointless. Even if you do, there's a good chance she'll make a scene or tell you to just fuck off and continue forth. Maybe you can inform the bartender to cut her off or ask her to leave? Backhanded, maybe, but possibly effective.

**eagleseven** · 12-12-2010, 03:20 PM

She also may just be fat...in which case, expect your scolding to start a fight.

**freeeekyyy** · 12-12-2010, 03:33 PM

	Originally Posted by Peaceolgy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Under the assumption she is aware of the ramifications of her actions, pointing that out seems pretty pointless. Even if you do, there's a good chance she'll make a scene or tell you to just fuck off and continue forth. Maybe you can inform the bartender to cut her off or ask her to leave? Backhanded, maybe, but possibly effective.

This is probably the best course of action. The bartender doesn't have to serve her.

**naminami** · 12-12-2010, 03:37 PM

Well that kid's screwed

**Zsych** · 12-12-2010, 04:33 PM

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	There is a difference between not wanting to have children and not taking care of them once you make a decision to have one. That would include taking care of them while you are carrying to term.

I agree. On average, I expect INTJ to be slightly more ethical than the average populace... and I expect most mothers to not want to harm their child.

I was just expressing a feeling of sorts w.r.t our giant egos
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**Warrior** · 12-12-2010, 05:29 PM

I've been in this situation before except that I knew the girl was pregnant and many people there did not. I didn't have any trouble telling her she shouldn't be drinking. She did try to make a big scene out of it and all that got her was pretty much everyone that saw it telling her the same thing as me. Her scene backfired on her.

**sircockburn** · 12-12-2010, 05:37 PM

Well I'm not planning to be a mother or anything, but how the hell can people go 9 months without drinking? I couldn't do it, although that said, I make CERTAIN that I won't get preggerz.

I don't know. This is why I wouldn't want kids. I don't want to have to sacrifice everything for someone else, and I certainly wouldn't want society to expect me to.

So I'd probably not say anything. It's not my business or my problem.

**Zsych** · 12-12-2010, 05:58 PM

I'm sure your human instincts would kick in if you actually were preggerz. Besides, what do you really need the drink for?

**BobG** · 12-12-2010, 06:25 PM

Some people would go a little further than just watching a pregnant mother drink. Some people would help a drunk mother drive.

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Would you breath into a drunk mother's breathalyzer interlock device so she can start her car and drive off with her infant child?

(Interlock devices where the driver has to pass a breathalyzer test are a recent trend in sentencing drunk drivers. They have their license suspended, but they can get out of the suspension by having an interlock device installed in their car for at least the period of the license suspension.)

At least one of the responses is pretty inspirational, but....

I love that TV series.

**Tocsin** · 12-12-2010, 06:46 PM

I'd
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**BobG** · 12-12-2010, 07:11 PM

How about another case of a drunk parent (it runs about 10 minutes in)

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Another case where some people are just heroes.

---------- Post added 12-13-2010 at 12:35 PM ----------

Originally Posted by JJ Tarvas
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I wouldn't support laws restricting the sale of alcohol to pregnant women, but I would happily tell her off and support anyone else who did. I don't think less of the people who kept to themselves. I don't know what they have going on in their lives, and some broad knocking back tequila shots and telling everyone her third-trimester fetus is getting a good buzz might be the least of their worries.

What would be wrong with laws restricting the sale of alcohol to pregnant women? Their third-trimester fetus is obviously under age to drink legally. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 already sets a precedent that crimes can be committed against unborn victims. Why can't the pregnant woman be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor?

Aside from this part of the Act, anyway:

(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.

(emphasis mine)

I guess legally a woman can do anything she wants against her own unborn child, but I don't see any ethical reason a woman can't be prevented from poisoning her child in public, at least.

12-12-2010, 09:31 AM	#1
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,366	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. If you see a woman late in her pregnancy having shots of tequila, what would you do? As usual, men don't seem to like telling women that they're wrong. Women have less trouble telling a woman that she's doing something wrong. I'm not sure what I would do beyond telling the woman about the risks. For one thing, if she drinks like this so late in her pregnancy, then that's probably what she's been doing the whole time, so the kid is most likely destroyed already... That and I'm not sure what you can do. I don't particularly care about people's privacy or their right to make choices (when they're obviously wrong)... but you can't really fix this. You have no legal authority, and trying to seriously stop her would basically get you in a mess. Interestingly, one man makes the comment that 'its not about you having fun, the baby's number one and you're number two now' I have the impression that a lot of INTJ women, especially those who haven't had kids would have a bad reaction to that idea (although I wouldn't expect them to be drinking during pregnancy) Last edited by Zsych; 12-12-2010 at 09:47 AM.
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12-12-2010, 11:47 AM	#2
BlackFlames Member [15%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 638	I would go and get my sythe and threaten her to stop or I will end her! Seriously though I wouldnt tell her a thing. If its that late she knows what she is doing and doesnt care. I would probably look at her with a raised eyebrow. Yeah in a sitch like that she would probably lash out at me and I would just walk away knowing I tried.
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12-12-2010, 12:08 PM	#3
Anhedonic Lake Veteran Member [61%] MBTI: INfP Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,457	With a "Mother" like that, the kid would probably be better off not being born.
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12-12-2010, 12:53 PM	#5
larrysb Member [16%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 665	Geez, I think I would stop watching television.
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HAL 9000 Member [35%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,429	I would probably make one backhanded comment and walk away.
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12-12-2010, 01:00 PM	#7
Still Standing Core Member [138%] MBTI: Isfp Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,543	Hmm, U.S. privileges here. Canucks ain't allowed to see the video. Beyond potential physiological damage to the baby, the mother-to-be doesn't seem to care enough to be a good mother anyway so there's no point in saying anything. Social Services will try and take care of all that later.
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12-12-2010, 02:17 PM	#9
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,366	Well many INTJ seem not to want to have kids anyway, so they're not willing to be number two anyway - that's kinda what I mean.
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12-12-2010, 02:36 PM	#10
JJ Tarvas New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 73	It would really depend on my mood. I'd be just as likely to ignore her as to make a huge scene. I often don't have the energy for additional confrontations outside of the workplace, but I have no problem with public humiliation and shunning. I wouldn't support laws restricting the sale of alcohol to pregnant women, but I would happily tell her off and support anyone else who did. I don't think less of the people who kept to themselves. I don't know what they have going on in their lives, and some broad knocking back tequila shots and telling everyone her third-trimester fetus is getting a good buzz might be the least of their worries.
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12-12-2010, 02:39 PM	#11
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,366	Considering it causes decent deformities, I wouldn't consider a woman drinking seriously during her pregnancy a minor crime. That has to be considered equivalent to assault that causes permanent physical and mental damage.
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eagleseven Core Member [154%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6,197	I don't like hanging out with clearly self-destructive people, so I would leave.
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12-12-2010, 03:19 PM	#15
Peaceolgy Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	Under the assumption she is aware of the ramifications of her actions, pointing that out seems pretty pointless. Even if you do, there's a good chance she'll make a scene or tell you to just fuck off and continue forth. Maybe you can inform the bartender to cut her off or ask her to leave? Backhanded, maybe, but possibly effective.
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12-12-2010, 03:20 PM	#16
eagleseven Core Member [154%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6,197	She also may just be fat...in which case, expect your scolding to start a fight.
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naminami New Member [01%] MBTI: iNtP Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 20	Well that kid's screwed
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Warrior Core Member [227%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9,093	I've been in this situation before except that I knew the girl was pregnant and many people there did not. I didn't have any trouble telling her she shouldn't be drinking. She did try to make a big scene out of it and all that got her was pretty much everyone that saw it telling her the same thing as me. Her scene backfired on her.
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12-12-2010, 05:37 PM	#21
sircockburn Veteran Member [79%] MBTI: ENTP Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,170	Well I'm not planning to be a mother or anything, but how the hell can people go 9 months without drinking? I couldn't do it, although that said, I make CERTAIN that I won't get preggerz. I don't know. This is why I wouldn't want kids. I don't want to have to sacrifice everything for someone else, and I certainly wouldn't want society to expect me to. So I'd probably not say anything. It's not my business or my problem.
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12-12-2010, 05:58 PM	#22
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,366	I'm sure your human instincts would kick in if you actually were preggerz. Besides, what do you really need the drink for?
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12-12-2010, 06:25 PM	#23
BobG Member [10%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 420	Some people would go a little further than just watching a pregnant mother drink. Some people would help a drunk mother drive. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Would you breath into a drunk mother's breathalyzer interlock device so she can start her car and drive off with her infant child? (Interlock devices where the driver has to pass a breathalyzer test are a recent trend in sentencing drunk drivers. They have their license suspended, but they can get out of the suspension by having an interlock device installed in their car for at least the period of the license suspension.) At least one of the responses is pretty inspirational, but.... I love that TV series.
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12-12-2010, 06:46 PM	#24
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