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	Originally Posted by auria To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Have you two been monogamous for seven years?

I think we were monogamous for probably about a year. That is not to say that we're always dating other people, but sometimes we are.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by SilentRequiem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I haven't been in a relationship with an ISTP but my closest friend is an ISTP so I could help with the talk. I know two ISTPs and I would say that personality and personal maturity affects highly how the ISTP functions. As already mentioned, an ISTP with developed functions and a mature personality, is a very rare example of a loyal, honest person and (for an S) will not irk at the nontraditional approach of an INTJ to things, since given time the person will understand the person eventually (although not fully) and the intentions behind it. (e.g.: Friend was having bday planned and all, invited me but said "i understand if you can't make it, but I am just telling you" before I even got the chance to talk) What I find annoying at times, as a pattern (and probably not ISTP specific, but its consolidated with the 2 ISTPs I personally know) is that when the ISTP isn't well, the avoidance and lack of communication becomes too abrupt and intermittent. For example: The person will go for a chat then leave, then get back, then leave, and while chatting the person will most likely say that "nothing is wrong". I being an I, know that the person needs space, and give space accordingly (however the bounce was very long at times, in months time which pretty much is awkward, because no such need is expressed, again it could be specific to the person) ISTPs are probably the "deepest" S type I could communicate with things, as if passionate about something will go to the depth. However with most topics they prefer to stay "undecided" and "not think too much", sometimes even they give the impression of depth but aren't that deep when it comes to it (in some things, but in their own area of passion, they are) and most importantly they are willing to learn. About the planning part, I think ISTPs can plan very well if needs be, and come up with different plans for the situation and adjust, the plan is actually most of the time perfect. But the planning works as I have seen, for short-term planning, more like long-term planning. (Most probably due to the high S or so). I was wondering too, to what extent can an ISTP be objective about a point he/she is discussing, as I have seen from the ISTPs I know, that every point they hold, is linked to certain personal experience or strong belief that, when discussing, the ISTP cannot disassociate the point from him/her-self (often resulting in an OCP-like mentality for discussions).. again such a correlation may not exist, or just too vague (given that the people I know are too few compared to a lot of ISTPs, though these are common patterns)

I am in a relationship with an ISTP, and your description is quite accurate with regards to my boyfriend. The only characteristic he doesn't fit is an inability to disassociate himself from a discussion/lack of objectivity.

For instance, I am pretty far to the left in my political views where he is rather moderate. I mentioned the Haley Barbour scandal to him and where I had heard the story (Democracy Now! and MSNBC), and his response was to ask me whether or not non-liberal news organizations were reportig on the study. I enjoyed being challenged and discovered, through his query, that both Fox News and the National Review, in addition to several more centrist media organizations, had reported on the story.

This is just one example. He has demonstrated similar objectivity in other situations. I guess that demonstrates the old maxim that there is great variation within the Myers-Briggs types.



Overall, I think that well-developed (that is, self-aware and interested in interpersonal awareness) ISTPs and INTJs make for good couples.

[Dru]

why does it seem like quite a few people are describing SJs when they say they're talking about ISTPs? *scratches head*

my experience with ISTPs is that they resemble INTJs in some ways, but are less decisive and... how should i say... methodical, than INTJs. i like them both. i've read that INTJ/ISTP relationships tend to go well, with the two complementing each other's lesser-developed functions.

[EricJ]

Dru, I'm curious to know where you read that. Do you have any links? I'm always looking for new insights in to the ISTP-INTJ relationship, since it is so pertinent to my day-to-day life.

[Dru]

no, i don't know where i read it. but i've also read that INTJ/INTP/ISTP are the types most commonly confused for each other.

[Bamboo]

Things I like about the INTJ:

- typically understands space requirements.
- both parties are able to express themselves openly without fear of too much reprisal due to either emotionalism or misunderstanding.
- cases vary, but they tend to express themselves in clear terms, which I have a preference for. I can deal with unclear communication (it can even be charming if it has a poetic appeal to it) but clear communication is preferred in the long run.

Don't like:

- too academic at the expense of practicality
- loosen up a little
- that constant preeminence can be draining - you're as limited as the rest of us in your own ways, deal with it already.


Overall, I think the INTJ female would be a good partner in difficult times and circumstance. The INTJ/ISTP combo would be a particularly hardy duo.


I'll play - what else you guys wanna to know via the ISTP?

[SilentRequiem]

	Originally Posted by EricJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I am in a relationship with an ISTP, and your description is quite accurate with regards to my boyfriend. The only characteristic he doesn't fit is an inability to disassociate himself from a discussion/lack of objectivity.

Does that apply as-well to morality, or anything he holds dearly, I suggest being objective in matters that aren't of much importance (with respect to personal investment) is possible, but what about some ideas that contradict his core beliefs?
My friends for instance can be objective in debates, or discussions, but not in things that affect their lifestyle or plans they have, or anything they hold dear (as a core set of beliefs) and will instead of considering the idea (supposing it contradicts a set of beliefs), deflect ("I don't want to think about it" / "I haven't made up my mind yet about it").

Thanks for the input, I believe this is person-specific though but I am seeing the extent of the temperament.

[RoseMcDermett]

I am married to an ISTP for 14 years. Both of us are introvert and like individual activities. He is more social and like to entertain. He is more flexible. As an INTJ I am more abstract (he is concrete), organized, strategic and future oriented. He is more practical, adventurous, present oriented, and creative in finding solutions right-now for unpredictable situations.

Our communication thrives but is not always easy.