[Amphorian]

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because everyone should want to get STD's from their highschool sweetheart. Sorry this isn't Romeo and Juliet, thats a lot to expect from a person that isn't you, so i don't really see why people think this guy is wrong for not wanting to take the hit. I mean isnt that the root of the issue, people willingly spreading these diseases because they feel it should be acceptable? Isnt that the kind of mentality that got OP infected in the first place? some guy not taking responsibility for his infection and the harm he can do unto others? Circular logic at its finest.

Best not to assume my intentions. I am perfectly fine with anyone rejecting a relationship based on STDs. That is their choice and a hard one to face. I mentioned he had unrealistic expectations about love because of how he reacted to her. Admonishing her and looking down on her. That isn't right and never will be. All he wanted was perfection from her and was only thinking about his needs in the words he spoke instead of being respectful and understanding about her situation.

The OP was honest and up front with him about her situation so he could make a sound choice. Isn't that what you're asking for here?

[catzmeow]

	Originally Posted by adreamstorm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I tried to understand his situation but I dont believe I was the monster he made me feel like. He was angry that I never let him be sexual with me and yet I entered into this stage of my life with another man. I just wasn't able to properly explain to him that I was much younger back then.

This is it, exactly. The fact that he attacked you at an extremely vulnerable point in your life because you didn't have sex with him as a high schooler makes him the monster, not you.

A decent person would not attack you when you were in the midst of such weakness and pain. There are many possible responses, the most polite one would have been something along the lines of, "I don't think that would be possible right now." Or, maybe, "Let's see what happens with your health situation, and then we can talk."

I think it's okay for someone to not want to be exposed to an active HPV infection. It's not okay to rage at you because you had the audacity to say no to him and yes to someone else.


He's an ass. You may find, when you are somewhat older, that this situation, painful as I'm sure it has been, was a real blessing in disguise. What if you'd gotten into a relationship with him, only to find out that he was this kind of angry petty little jerk?

Let me put this into perspective for you...My boyfriend and I had a herpes scare a couple of years ago. BF had a bad skin breakout, was tested, and because of the type of test that was used, received a false positive on the test.

To make a long story short...there are a lot of possible responses to learning that you might have herpes, and that you might have gotten it from your intimate partner (or have given it to her). You can learn things about people, in the worst of times, that you'd never learn about them during the best of times. What I learned about my guy was that he was exactly the kind of person I'd choose to have by my side when dealing with a scary health issue...he was kind, gentle, and didn't jump to stupid conclusions.

What did you learn from this? Unfortunately, you learned that high school ex-boyfriend is an entitled jerk who tried to pressure you to have sex before you were emotionally ready for it, and instead of feeling guilty about such manipulative and skeezy behavior, he's using your health crisis to punish you emotionally.

As much as this situation has to suck for you, you did learn something valuable from it. You learned not to look back, because your high school boyfriend is a malevolent, manipulative scumbag. Make it a point to block him out of your life.

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think it's okay for someone to not want to be exposed to an active HPV infection. It's not okay to rage at you because you had the audacity to say no to him and yes to someone else.

Look at it, if you will, from his perspective:

A girl he dated throughout highschool broke up with him because she refused to become intimate. She then goes out and becomes intimate with somebody else who, in retrospect, did not love her like he did. In fact, this choice of sexual partner was so uncaring as to infect her with HPV and run away.

Now that she's heartbroken and actively infected, she turns to her highschool love for emotional support. He is receptive, until he learns that she is infected, and risks infecting him as well.

In his shoes, I would be very upset as well. If the girl I loved rejected me, contracted disease from a rival jackass, and then expected me to risk contracting said disease for her, I would be in disbelief!

	Originally Posted by catzmeow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Let me put this into perspective for you...My boyfriend and I had a herpes scare a couple of years ago. BF had a bad skin breakout, was tested, and because of the type of test that was used, received a false positive on the test.

You're comparing the highschool boyfriend she rejected to your current boyfriend, which isn't a fair comparison at all. The guilty party to be condemned here, IMO, is the sex partner who transmitted HPV to an innocent, unknowing girl.

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That said, HPV is not the end of the world, or your love life. While men who place a high priority on remaining 100% clean may avoid you, there are plenty of men who do not mind a minor STD infection.

Further, sites like
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let you search out others who have identical infections for both short-term and long-term relationships. I am convinced that no chronic disease, or terminal illness, will exclude you from meaningful relationships.

[rara avis]

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My ex still continues to contact me -- which I am struggling to deal with. All the progress I make is suddenly in imbalance when I am reminded of how unwanted he made me feel. I remember the insults and the way all my good qualities did not matter any longer. He cried hysterically the night I told him. In his words, I was the most perfect person he ever knew, beautiful, intelligent, loving, determined, happy and now I was ruined in his eyes. I hated to be seen through those eyes. HPV threatened a lot more than my health, it was threatening everything good about me.

Oh, for pete's sake.

OK, that guy is a freak. In a bad way. Crying to you about your ruination? There is something seriously not right with that- don't talk to him anymore. Just... WTF. It's not just that it's incredibly rude and insensitive- his conceptualization of things is also just D-U-M. You see that, don't you?

Are his parents first cousins, by any chance?

Sometimes people do things which make me think of the central casting character they'd play in a movie. This guy's character is the increasingly subtly creepy loser suitor that the heroine luckily evades in order to meet the hero.

The idea that this one flaw cancels out everything that's good and powerful about you is... I don't know if there's a word for that level of stupid. The way you're electing to handle it makes you those things, only so much more intensely more so. It's a growing up thing. That guy will be 40 someday- if he survives looking up every time it rains hard- and he still won't be as mature as you are becoming now.

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I do however face daily worry about how many more rejections will come my way and whether I will ever find someone to share my life with, who is ready to love me for all that I offer, despite this. Perhaps its just that I am doubtful of the goodness of people. I am doubtful that I will one day meet someone who contradicts all the false and negative images I have come to harbor about myself after my experience with my ex. I must have more faith...perhaps.

I think you can't wait for someone else to contradict this feeling of badness. The correction has to be homegrown, from you. And I say correction because you are in error. You are latching on to some serious bull***t.

You know that there's a good-sized bulk of the horror you feel that is pure, ingrained sexual stigma, a good-girl stigma, similar to the sort that has had women in past generations desperately paying to have their hymens sewn back together to fake virginity so as not to seem disgusting, right? If this were any other kind of contagious virus with a similar harm factor, who would care that much? This is what Ex #1 is buying way, way into. It's wrong. Knowing this doesn't make the sense of it evaporate, but still. Think it over.

You have a lot of bad feelings in you looking for a place to go. Don't let them channel into shame and fester there. You didn't do anything wrong. And you aren't ruined, not emotionally, not psychologically, not spiritually, not intellectually, not even physically. Not ruined. Bruised, and healing up.


So anyway, on the moving forward thing. I gather that you're not naturally a person who'd be comfortable hopping into bed with everybody at the drop of a hat, so you actually have that going for you. Your preferred lifestyle won't be curtailed, there.
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When I was considering the "divulgence" aspect of it myself, I decided that I didn't damn well need to tell anyone right up front. It wasn't their business, in the beginning. I would not end up sleeping with most men I might end up dating, I think, so I decided to take it on a case-by-case basis. Get to know someone a bit, get a few dates in, and as you go, evaluate whether you see it potentially going a lot further. If you do see that potential growing, then talk to them about it before you get so far in that they, or you, are too invested.

- If they seem like someone you can't trust to protect your privacy if you tell them, you don't want to go any further anyway. Keep it to yourself and kick them to the curb.

- If they seem like someone who'd freak the fuck out like #1 and be dumb, mean and rude if you told them, you don't want to go any further anyway. Keep it to yourself and kick them to the curb.

- Maybe you'll meet some nice guys who seem worth the investment, but they won't want to take this particular kind of risk once you talk about it. Fine. Sad, frustrating, uncomfortable situation... yep. Painful, probably. But by the time you're up and ready to be dating again, it shouldn't be nearly as much of a loaded situation as you've just been through- you won't be nearly as raw vulnerable emotionally. You'll have had some time. And you'll be well wary of Ex # 1 types.

- At some point, you're going to meet someone who's so sold on you after at date or a few that the fact that you're in remission for a common virus is not going to look like much of a deal breaker to him. That person will be hard to find, I'm sure- but he is, anyway, virus or no. That's what makes him such a BFD.

In a way, it's an excellent high-stakes tool for intensely evaluating someone's character. You're going to be whittling away the BS in potential boyfriends faster than a lot of girls would. Not trying to cast a rosy light- just saying.

[Zsych]

There is an amusing difference in the responses of men and women here.

I think the kid is contacting her still because he still cares about her despite the earlier explosion (we do take some things rather badly when we're first exposed to them)

... and there is definitely a lot of hurt in a woman you dearly love going off with another guy, and a jackass no less. As far as hurtful insults go, its not so minor. His feelings for her were huge if he's still talking to her.

[rara avis]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	His feelings for her were huge if he's still talking to her.

Yeah, but he's an idiot, and righteously selfish to boot, so... gosh, yeah, I feel bad for him. Hopefully he'll just crawl back in his hole and suffer in silence from here on out. Tooo bad.

I don't blame someone for making a practical decision about whether or not they're willing to risk catching a virus. But he was out of line on a retarded level. So wrapped up in his own chest-pounding BS drama that he did serious damage to the person who was suffering in the first place. Not OK.

Glad he has such huge feelings. Makes a big difference.

[Zsych]

I've been on the receiving end of some truly offensive stuff. You can't focus too much on the occasional extreme reaction, you have to look at the normal behavior.

And in a way that situation hurt both of them a lot.

Still, this is the usual basis of relationship disaster: one person feels hurt and acts out, and the other person not feeling at fault now feels hurt and starts acting badly, only the first person doesn't really believe that they're at fault so this is an unwarranted attack that hurts them additionally.
... someone has to break that cycle. Apparently the guy is trying.

[rara avis]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And in a way that situation hurt both of them a lot.

Don't care. It's not about him. This is about her damage, which is ongoing and exacerbated by his behavior. He can go find himself an unsullied powdered sugar virgin to console himself, or come here and make his own thread about his perceptions of dirty girls that wouldn't sleep with him when they were high schoolers. Or he can even say he's sorry, his emotions got out of control, and he didn't mean it. But it sounds to me like he's coming from a genuinely wrong-headed place.

He got butthurt, said some wrong and nasty things which got under her skin, and she's trying to figure out how to move on.

[Mendi the ISFJ]

i was under the impression that HPV was a non symptomatic std that while common doesnt always even endanger you. Some forms of HPV could cause cancer in women and most people that spread it dont even know that they have it. and the injections for it are actually to prevent, not treat it. Maybe Im wrong on some of that, if so please correct me.

[cannotseethe]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You can't focus too much on the occasional extreme reaction, you have to look at the normal behavior.

I hit ya because I love ya baby. Don't I put a roof over your head?

Right. Some extreme reactions are "get the fuck out of my life forever" terminal. This is one of them.

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And in a way that situation hurt both of them a lot.

He in that special butthurt sort of way.

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Apparently the guy is trying.

To destroy her self esteem? Yes.

[Zsych]

Originally Posted by rara avis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Don't care. It's not about him. This is about her damage, which is ongoing and exacerbated by his behavior. He can go find himself an unsullied powdered sugar virgin to console himself, or come here and make his own thread about his perceptions of dirty girls that wouldn't sleep with him when they were high schoolers. He got butthurt, said some wrong and nasty things which got under her skin, and she's trying to figure out how to move on.

A relationship is not about just one person. Both of their emotions are involved. Both of them ended up hurt. Maybe you should say that he should never have spent those years in high school on building a relationship with her at all. Then he wouldn't have any real stake here.
From his perspective, he chose her, put a lot into her, she led him on, and ultimately betrayed him, and additionally on top of that wants to potentially destroy him - Not the best possible treatment you can be hoping for. There is some reason for him to be upset.

... and can I point out again that he's apparently trying to fix it. Making a big issue out of what someone says in emotional shock is retarded.
(Seriously women have completely unreasonable entitlement complexes. Its not all about you)

Edit: So apparently I didn't read all of her post and she says that he says he cares for her and loves her but can't accept her.
*remembers having said almost the same thing... curses! I tell you, the girl had no principles!*

-- Give him time, he'll get over his non-acceptance. Love is a disease that gnaws at the mind until it gets what it wants (possibly).

[Muse]

	Originally Posted by adreamstorm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hold on. Just because you are informed on the matter of STI does not mean you can guarantee 100% that you'll wont be infected and that you'll be immune to it.

Well yes i agree, only a sith would think in absolutes as they say xD

This delves into the area of risk management. Maximizing utility while minimizing risk and potential loss's; and understanding that certain decisions, while offering more to gain, can come with higher risk of negative effects.

Some take risk's and make it out ahead, some minimize risk's and still end up defeated. The key is understanding that you can make decisions that minimize the effects of chance.

This is a part of being capable and competent. Not saying that you arn't OP, but this is my reasoning as to why education on the matter is important.

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by rara avis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Don't care. It's not about him. This is about her damage

Which is why it was a mistake for her to turn to him at all, effectively opening up old wounds for both of them. What he said was over the line, certainly, but could you expect anyone in his situation to act graciously?

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He can go find himself an unsullied powdered sugar virgin to console himself, or come here and make his own thread about his perceptions of dirty girls that wouldn't sleep with him when they were high schoolers. Or he can even say he's sorry, his emotions got out of control, and he didn't mean it. But it sounds to me like he's coming from a genuinely wrong-headed place. He got butthurt, said some wrong and nasty things which got under her skin, and she's trying to figure out how to move on.

I'm imagining your reaction if any of us took an equally brutal tone with the girl who wrote the OP, and it isn't pretty.

Are you suggesting that any teenage boy who desires sex with his steady partner cannot be trusted? Even an adult 'white knight' was likely obsessed with sex back during his adolescence. The fact that he dated her for so long without any physical relations tells me that he truly did/does love her.

If he is the asshole you believe him to be, he would've left her long before she broke it off.

[Zsych]

And sex isn't all of a relationship. Nor does wanting sex mean you have dirty intentions towards someone.

[JustMel]

HPV is what lead to my ending up with cervical cancer at 16 and a hysterectomy at the age of 25. I have had my girls vaccinated and we've had the safe sex talks starting about second grade. Luckily they've all listened and none of them have gotten anything thus far. Education but not scare tactics people.

People have sex during relationships, it's what happens in a large portion of them. Guys and girls can say and do things they later regret. Both can act like douches too. You can choose to forgive and try again or you can adopt the mantra of never go back.

[Muse]

	Originally Posted by Amphorian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Best not to assume my intentions. I am perfectly fine with anyone rejecting a relationship based on STDs.

I completely agree with you. Furthermore i think it would be best for us to not assume her ex-BFs intentions or concept of love either
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since we both now know how bad it can make people feel
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Ya what he said to the OP was probably over the line, but then again he might have just been being honest about how he feels too(which would make him an honest person). Thats the tricky thing about feelings, its hard to say when they are right or wrong.

[astrolite]

It sounds like you don't want a relationship with your first ex anyways. You moved on to meet your goals and then, when you felt stable enough for a sexual relationship, you chose some one else. He contacted YOU when he found out you were single (how did he find out?), you did not contact him. What if he did not contact you, would you have contacted him for a potential relationship?

[Storm]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	A relationship is not about just one person. Both of their emotions are involved. Both of them ended up hurt. Maybe you should say that he should never have spent those years in high school on building a relationship with her at all. Then he wouldn't have any real stake here.

She's not in a relationship with him. He is not part of her life anymore. He has no "stake" in her.

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	From his perspective, he chose her, put a lot into her, she led him on, and ultimately betrayed him, and additionally on top of that wants to potentially destroy him - Not the best possible treatment you can be hoping for. There is some reason for him to be upset.

So, he invested in her and she didn't put out? That bitch. Women, eh? /sarcasm

Or maybe she had a relationship with him years and years ago when they were kids, he learns that she subsequently, as an adult, had a relationship with someone else and he gets mad at her for it? He loves her, but can't work past this? She is ruined? He's got a reason to be upset in the same way a kid having a tantrum over not getting candy has a reason to be upset.

	... and can I point out again that he's apparently trying to fix it. Making a big issue out of what someone says in emotional shock is retarded. (Seriously women have completely unreasonable entitlement complexes. Its not all about you)

Yeah, when someone informs you of their STDs for purposes of re-opening a relationship, it's all about you feeling that you didn't "get a return on your investment" when you were a kid. You should totally keep ragging on her about how she's ruined to help yourself feel better. That's the best way to deal with emotions - to insult the other person. It sure makes one feel a lot better.

[Zsych]

Could a guy get vaccination and have it checked whether the variant a girl has is handled by the vaccinations? I would assume so.

@Storm: I think my view is completely reasonable with respect to people's emotions. Her feeling of butt hurt at what he said, rather than calmly analyzing it and accepting it was also an emotional response.

There is no 'this is logical (from my PoV) so your emotions should work this way' with emotions.

If you met an old friend years later and felt a lot of friendship still, is it retarded that you are feeling something because of your past experiences and what you built long ago?

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And sex isn't all of a relationship. Nor does wanting sex mean you have dirty intentions towards someone.

Indeed. Having a strong libido does not imply a lack of integrity.

[cannotseethe]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Then he wouldn't have any real stake here.

Four years passed between their breakup and now. In case you're having difficulty with the concept, let me elaborate. Breakup means relationship over. That he didn't move on is his problem, not hers, his choice, not hers, his responsibility, not hers. Because, you know, they weren't together for four years. Relationship over. End. Terminated. Finished. Closed. Fin.

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	From his perspective

You're the OP's ex high school sweetheart?!? This thread has taken a bizarre turn indeed.

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	on top of that wants to potentially destroy him

She very nearly secretly dropped an HPV bomb right on his (your?) dick right after informing him that she had it!!!1!!

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Making a big issue out of what someone says in emotional shock is retarded. (Seriously women have completely unreasonable entitlement complexes. Its not all about you)

So in your world a man, provided he's experienced enough "emotional shock", is justified in saying anything at all to a woman? And if she protests, it's because she has an unreasonable entitlement complex? Is that what you're saying here?

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	*remembers having said almost the same thing... curses! I tell you, the girl had no principles!*

Judge not, lest ye be judged?

[Zsych]

	Originally Posted by cannotseethe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Four years passed between their breakup and now. In case you're having difficulty with the concept, let me elaborate. Breakup means relationship over. That he didn't move on is his problem, not hers, his choice, not hers, his responsibility, not hers. Because, you know, they weren't together for four years. Relationship over. End. Terminated. Finished. Closed. Fin.

Yes, I'm sure you just deactivate the part of your brain that handles emotions for a specific person after you breakup with them. I respect your mastery of your mind.

	Originally Posted by cannotseethe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You're the OP's ex high school sweetheart?!? This thread has taken a bizarre turn indeed.

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	Originally Posted by cannotseethe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She very nearly secretly dropped an HPV bomb right on his (your?) dick right after informing him that she had it!!!1!!

I actually think she did the right thing in telling him and I respect her for that.

	Originally Posted by cannotseethe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So in your world a man, provided he's experienced enough "emotional shock", is justified in saying anything at all to a woman? And if she protests, it's because she has an unreasonable entitlement complex? Is that what you're saying here?

No, I'm saying all of you women who are calling him a complete jackass without trying to understand him at all think too highly of how women should be treated and where you care about how women feel you don't care about how men feel. Its the usual 'women are always the victims' mentality.

Anyway, maybe he went over the top in what he said. Its not exactly a very unnatural response. Her being hurt isn't unnatural either. Like I said earlier... this is normal relationship crap that usually destroys relationships unless someone decides to fix it (usually requires a decent amount of mutual understanding).
Even she says that they were best friends for years. I wouldn't casually throw away a relationship like that because of a couple of issues... and sometimes it takes time to work through your problems.

Most people are not super mature. You can't expect too much from them (I mean men or women)

	Originally Posted by cannotseethe To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Judge not, lest ye be judged?

I don't mind being judged. That girl had minimal sense of responsibility and was a thief to boot (although not from me). It was sad really - I couldn't quite get past that, even though I wanted to, and then she was all hurt that I wouldn't accept her, and...

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	She's not in a relationship with him. He is not part of her life anymore. He has no "stake" in her.

When he told her the he still has feelings for her, and she felt need to inform him of her STD status, the stake was there.

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So, he invested in her and she didn't put out? That bitch. Women, eh? /sarcasm

She broke up with him, not the other way around. This is significant.

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or maybe she had a relationship with him years and years ago when they were kids, he learns that she subsequently, as an adult, had a relationship with someone else and he gets mad at her for it? He loves her, but can't work past this? She is ruined? He's got a reason to be upset in the same way a kid having a tantrum over not getting candy has a reason to be upset.

She took the 'candy' from him and gave it a thief, cried to him about being robbed, and then tried to give him poisoned candy, to use your analogy.

Yes, he flew off the handle, but remember that she is asking for him to risk spreading HPV to any future woman he dates.

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, when someone informs you of their STDs for purposes of re-opening a relationship, it's all about you feeling that you didn't "get a return on your investment" when you were a kid. You should totally keep ragging on her about how she's ruined to help yourself feel better. That's the best way to deal with emotions - to insult the other person. It sure makes one feel a lot better.

Should he happily accept the STD she obtained after leaving him? I don't think anybody here thinks what he said was accurate, but that his reaction is not surprising.

[Zsych]

Its hardly like the dude thought it through. He felt betrayed. He exploded.

@adreamstorm: I apologize that we're being insensitive about your pain here. Maybe you'll find that you want to keep your old ex as a friend and just decide to never discuss this again. Maybe you'll decide you never want to talk to him again, or maybe you feel you'd want him to accept you and want to come up with an approach that might actually lead to that. Do whatever you think will really make you feel best afterwards.

[eagleseven]

	Originally Posted by Zsych To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I'm saying all of you women who are calling him a complete jackass without trying to understand him at all think too highly of how women should be treated and where you care about how women feel you don't care about how men feel. Its the usual 'women are always the victims' mentality.

Bingo.

Certain posters seem to think that all men are unfeeling brutes who are only interested in copulation, and thus have no right to ever feel angry or betrayed.