INTJs: The Aesthetic Intellectual?

**stock** · 10-30-2010, 07:11 AM

Awhile back as I was trying to understand ENFPs, an INTJ suggested we can be highly ESTJ-ish at times. We engage TeSi and then, using Te in a fairly extroverted way, morph into what I like to term the "Middle Managers of Fi". We step in and consult on others emotional/value based problems and then give somewhat generalized advice and suggestions-with bullet points and schedules attached.
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Taking an Ne step...

The INFPs in turn might be considered the "Accounts/Inspectors of Fi". They watch and observe and then will sometimes step up and give exceptionally refined Fi guidance with a great deal of thought and attention to detail. They are excellent consultants and can be very, very wise.

Taking another Ne Step...

INTJs have FiSe-thus a baby ISFP inside of them. Now sometimes, this Fi can behave badly-just as the lower two functions can in any type. But when behaving well and working in concert with NiTe, I have observed that some INTJs can actually show a great deal of innocence, idealism and aesthetic complexity in the types of ideas they have and they can express these ideas embedded in a physical sensuality of sorts due to Se. The physical embodiment of the vision ends up being very beautiful and sensual.

Thus I made up the term "The Aesthetic Intellectual".

(INTPs would be the "mother-hens of logic"????, INFJs would be the "Mechanics of the individual psyche"????)

Does that make any sense at all?

Ignoring all my Si-isms above, How do the lower two functions influence your ideas, your world, your life, things you enjoy? How does a sense of aesthetics and sensuality influence what your create?

(please derail and speculate as I realize this is somewhat random!)

**sircockburn** · 10-30-2010, 11:37 AM

Hm, that would make me a part-time ESFP. Come to think of it, I do act ESFP-ish at times.

But doesn't everyone when they're drunk?

**The Many** · 10-30-2010, 12:39 PM

I think the correlation you are finding may be spurious, because since the MBTI profiles are so general one can easily find some behaviour on part of everyone which correlates with another personality. And therefore one may overly simplistically define new sub-categories.

But having said that, there is a certain sense in which many INTJs do seem to have a penchant for aesthetic expressions of ideas. I know I certainly do, and looking at intellectual history, we certainly seem able to see it in e.g. Kant (at least in parts of what he said), Schopenhauer or Nietzsche. But then again, INTPs do the same thing (cf. Spinoza, Hegel or the early Wittgenstein). So: no. It doesn't seem to be a trait peculiar to INTJs.

**Imagineering** · 10-30-2010, 01:23 PM

calling an intp a mother hen of logic is more of an insult

10-30-2010, 07:11 AM	#1
stock Member [25%] MBTI: ENFP Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,032	Awhile back as I was trying to understand ENFPs, an INTJ suggested we can be highly ESTJ-ish at times. We engage TeSi and then, using Te in a fairly extroverted way, morph into what I like to term the "Middle Managers of Fi". We step in and consult on others emotional/value based problems and then give somewhat generalized advice and suggestions-with bullet points and schedules attached. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Taking an Ne step... The INFPs in turn might be considered the "Accounts/Inspectors of Fi". They watch and observe and then will sometimes step up and give exceptionally refined Fi guidance with a great deal of thought and attention to detail. They are excellent consultants and can be very, very wise. Taking another Ne Step... INTJs have FiSe-thus a baby ISFP inside of them. Now sometimes, this Fi can behave badly-just as the lower two functions can in any type. But when behaving well and working in concert with NiTe, I have observed that some INTJs can actually show a great deal of innocence, idealism and aesthetic complexity in the types of ideas they have and they can express these ideas embedded in a physical sensuality of sorts due to Se. The physical embodiment of the vision ends up being very beautiful and sensual. Thus I made up the term "The Aesthetic Intellectual". (INTPs would be the "mother-hens of logic"????, INFJs would be the "Mechanics of the individual psyche"????) Does that make any sense at all? Ignoring all my Si-isms above, How do the lower two functions influence your ideas, your world, your life, things you enjoy? How does a sense of aesthetics and sensuality influence what your create? (please derail and speculate as I realize this is somewhat random!)
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10-30-2010, 11:37 AM	#2
sircockburn Veteran Member [79%] MBTI: ENTP Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,171	Hm, that would make me a part-time ESFP. Come to think of it, I do act ESFP-ish at times. But doesn't everyone when they're drunk?
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10-30-2010, 12:39 PM	#3
The Many Member [09%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 368	I think the correlation you are finding may be spurious, because since the MBTI profiles are so general one can easily find some behaviour on part of everyone which correlates with another personality. And therefore one may overly simplistically define new sub-categories. But having said that, there is a certain sense in which many INTJs do seem to have a penchant for aesthetic expressions of ideas. I know I certainly do, and looking at intellectual history, we certainly seem able to see it in e.g. Kant (at least in parts of what he said), Schopenhauer or Nietzsche. But then again, INTPs do the same thing (cf. Spinoza, Hegel or the early Wittgenstein). So: no. It doesn't seem to be a trait peculiar to INTJs.
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10-30-2010, 01:23 PM	#4
Imagineering Member [46%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,845	calling an intp a mother hen of logic is more of an insult
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