Do you consider yourself management material? - Page 2

**eminor** · 10-29-2010, 09:33 AM

There are methods an INTJ can learn in order to both manage and direct people in harmony with corporate strategy (and INTJ values). I am still learning, however, so whether or not I am really management material is yet to be seen.

However, I get good feedback (positive and negative) from my direct reports and try to encourage them. In recent years I have come to enjoy witnessing the light bulb-effect - when people realize that they have developed their intellectual/problem-solving/self-improving skills. So, I think the answer is that I do feel comfortable in those shoes now, but perhaps a few years ago I would have had a different response.

**soleilune** · 10-29-2010, 01:47 PM

Yes, as long as people do what they're expected to do and I don't have hold their hand while they do it. I'm an idea person, problem solver and pragmatist, as well as being more than willing to champion my staff's ideas and give them due credit while taking on ultimate responsibility for any f-ups that occur.

That being said, I'm better in a position where someone else champions my ideas and leaves me to problem solve to my heart's content.

Right now however I get paid a pittance to get the worst of both worlds.
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**Artio** · 10-29-2010, 01:51 PM

I am worthy, but not interested anymore. I've proven myself already. I have much more important things to do in this life than that.

**Imagineering** · 10-29-2010, 02:49 PM

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	Never! I'm terrible at dealing with people, I hate making decisions that could result in broken lives, and there is something about managerial positions that attracts excessive attention and resentment that I could do without. A shame that taking up such positions are the only way to climb up the career ladder.

No way. You got to find the right crappy job and just hold out until the gettin' is mediocre.

**Zsych** · 10-29-2010, 03:03 PM

Yes. And I need to get rid of the horrible habit of trying to explain things to people, especially complicated things. Be straight, tell them what to do, and you're much better off.

**plushbug** · 10-30-2010, 01:01 PM

Yes. Been there, done it, reasonably competent at it, but so don't have the temperament to enjoy it.

**Hydro** · 10-31-2010, 03:12 AM

Management is basically administration. It's a servant’s job and requires some kind of a mercenary’s mentality. Dull, boring and uninspiring. I really hate it because being a "kindergarten teacher" for people way older than me and endless preparations of EXCEL spreadsheets for higher management levels knowing that they actually don't care or even understand is not what I went to university for.
The purpose of management is to meet somehow given score charts for no other purpose than meeting them.

Leadership on the other side is to create, to build and to explore new frontiers. One might have a formal team assigned to him or one might be surrounded by informal followers attracted by the course one has chosen. It doesn't matter if it is a formal or informal team because the leaders interest is not in managing a team but in achieving something he's deeply convinced of.

Unfortunately today leadership is very often (mostly on purpose, I guess) labeled as management, which it is actually not, it’s a minor part of leadership.
So I'm not management material but leadership material because I want to create and not administrate! And I had the luck to demonstrate this preference successfully a couple of times so far.

**masterpeach** · 10-31-2010, 05:38 AM

In this regard, I am a typical INTP:

On the other hand, they can make very good assistants to leaders, provided they and the leader are of one mind, for their perceptive analysis can give the leadership useful insights which they may overlook, being too busy with leading. Indeed, INTPs are often glad when someone else takes over the lead, again providing the leader is of the same mind. An INTPs ideal is to provide all the ideas for a project and have a charismatic leader, who agrees with him [...] Ultimately, INTPs tend to trust machines more than they trust people [...]

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Working for an ENTJ/INTJ or even an ENTP is perfect. Working for xNFPs didn't pan out.

I still want to take part in a master's program for management education in 2 years...

**Seraphim** · 10-31-2010, 05:47 AM

By worthy, one assumes you mean qualified or capable, in which case, 'yes'. I discovered, as an officer in the Marine Corps, I don't like being responsible for other peoples' mistakes or inability to perform, however. I prefer being on the sideline, doing my job, and letting others deal with others. Not long after I started in my current position, some decades ago, they came to me and told me I was in charge of a group. My reply was, "No, I'm not." They tried to force the issue, but could not.

I have no desire to deal with co-workers' problems.

**Faarkrog** · 10-31-2010, 02:09 PM

Yes, I like to make plans for others and tell them what to do (and how, if necessary).

**tracemhunter** · 10-31-2010, 09:04 PM

I have been a supervisor and think I was generally a good boss. I was good at arranging the workers based on how fast they could work and how well they worked with others. There were challenges everyday but in the end it became very routine and mundane. I couldn't take the bureaucracy, physically unsafe work environment, and the feeling of not doing something I am interested in anymore so I quit. I still occasionally talk to a couple of the employees I supervised as well as my co-workers though. They tell me things have only gotten worse.

**Mogura** · 10-31-2010, 09:38 PM

This is a tough one... I am quite capable of exercising professional judgment and leading a team to successully achieve an objective, often exceeding expectations. However, I am a bit unconventional in my methods, and I don't play well with lame duck managers and I don't talk in douchebagspeak.

I'm kinda like the Jack Bauer of IT: I piss off the idiots in suits (a lot), I am almost always right, I value efficience, and I take good care of my team in an almost fanatical devotion kind of way. However, I lack charm and personal charisma, and because of it, the assumption is often made that I am incapable of leading...

**Wapiti** · 11-01-2010, 01:53 AM

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	Well,...by "here", I meant "this thread". But, you knew that. ;-) By "what does everyone here do?", I meant what do those on this thread do for a living. But you knew that too. ;-) Alas',...it was shortly afterward that I noticed the thread addressing that very topic. You knew that too,.....but I didn't. ;-) Point taken, Sir! :-)

Ummm, nowhere close to what I was thinking but fun to see your typed out logic there. I misunderstood your question, I see that clearly now. And you, misunderstood what I was asking. Damn thinkers think too much sometimes.

**soleilune** · 11-03-2010, 08:28 AM

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	Working for an ENTJ/INTJ or even an ENTP is perfect. Working for xNFPs didn't pan out.

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My husband, an ENTP, has been in mgmt. most of his adult life and he's very good at it in a way most aren't. We've discussed how we'd be the perfect team: I'd get to do my thing and he'd champion my ideas and work; run interference so I could be left to my own devices; and play the politics the he loves and I loathe. He likes playing devil's advocate to me as well.
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	Originally Posted by Hydro To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Unfortunately today leadership is very often (mostly on purpose, I guess) labeled as management, which it is actually not, it’s a minor part of leadership. So I'm not management material but leadership material because I want to create and not administrate! And I had the luck to demonstrate this preference successfully a couple of times so far.

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Soooooooo true!

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Originally Posted by Mogura
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This is a tough one... I am quite capable of exercising professional judgment and leading a team to successully achieve an objective, often exceeding expectations. However, I am a bit unconventional in my methods, and I don't play well with lame duck managers and I don't talk in douchebagspeak.

I'm kinda like the Jack Bauer of IT: I piss off the idiots in suits (a lot), I am almost always right, I value efficience, and I take good care of my team in an almost fanatical devotion kind of way. However, I lack charm and personal charisma, and because of it, the assumption is often made that I am incapable of leading...

You just described me to a 'T', except I'm not in IT.

**YorkshirePud** · 09-07-2012, 01:27 AM

Nope. Been there, done that, hated it. Can't be bothered with all the petty nonsense that some people seem to what to winge about and fill their lives with. Come in, do you job, learn from your mistakes, improve and shut the heck up.

**Dung** · 09-07-2012, 01:48 AM

Sure but only über management will do - where you don't actually need to be competent at anything but bulldung.

*votes no*

**GeologyRocks** · 09-07-2012, 07:04 AM

Obviously no, as in my thread "Retail Hell" that I started in this forum.

I have been a team leader managing a group of people in my field for a contract job I did once. The thing that made it successful is that everyone on that team were at the same educational level and had a want and drive to be there. So they pulled their own weight.

My BS get me through my master's degree retail job that I took a couple months ago ended today. I quit. It's like a circus and having to talk to people who are less educated than me is hard enough. Having to deal with the public is worse and having to deal with corporate is enough to go crazy. I loved our corporate e mails, full of spelling errors and typo's. I once got one from the accounting department that was in all caps, at least four paragraphs, with no periods and all scrunched together. I wanted to die.

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10-29-2010, 09:33 AM	#26
eminor New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 15	There are methods an INTJ can learn in order to both manage and direct people in harmony with corporate strategy (and INTJ values). I am still learning, however, so whether or not I am really management material is yet to be seen. However, I get good feedback (positive and negative) from my direct reports and try to encourage them. In recent years I have come to enjoy witnessing the light bulb-effect - when people realize that they have developed their intellectual/problem-solving/self-improving skills. So, I think the answer is that I do feel comfortable in those shoes now, but perhaps a few years ago I would have had a different response. Last edited by eminor; 10-29-2010 at 09:33 AM. Reason: spelling error
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10-29-2010, 01:47 PM	#27
soleilune Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 104	Yes, as long as people do what they're expected to do and I don't have hold their hand while they do it. I'm an idea person, problem solver and pragmatist, as well as being more than willing to champion my staff's ideas and give them due credit while taking on ultimate responsibility for any f-ups that occur. That being said, I'm better in a position where someone else champions my ideas and leaves me to problem solve to my heart's content. Right now however I get paid a pittance to get the worst of both worlds. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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10-29-2010, 01:51 PM	#28
Artio Core Member [510%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 20,418	I am worthy, but not interested anymore. I've proven myself already. I have much more important things to do in this life than that.
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10-29-2010, 03:03 PM	#30
Zsych Core Member [309%] MBTI: XNTX Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 12,372	Yes. And I need to get rid of the horrible habit of trying to explain things to people, especially complicated things. Be straight, tell them what to do, and you're much better off.
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10-30-2010, 01:01 PM	#31
plushbug Member [29%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,180	Yes. Been there, done it, reasonably competent at it, but so don't have the temperament to enjoy it.
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10-31-2010, 03:12 AM	#32
Hydro Member [25%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,022	Management is basically administration. It's a servant’s job and requires some kind of a mercenary’s mentality. Dull, boring and uninspiring. I really hate it because being a "kindergarten teacher" for people way older than me and endless preparations of EXCEL spreadsheets for higher management levels knowing that they actually don't care or even understand is not what I went to university for. The purpose of management is to meet somehow given score charts for no other purpose than meeting them. Leadership on the other side is to create, to build and to explore new frontiers. One might have a formal team assigned to him or one might be surrounded by informal followers attracted by the course one has chosen. It doesn't matter if it is a formal or informal team because the leaders interest is not in managing a team but in achieving something he's deeply convinced of. Unfortunately today leadership is very often (mostly on purpose, I guess) labeled as management, which it is actually not, it’s a minor part of leadership. So I'm not management material but leadership material because I want to create and not administrate! And I had the luck to demonstrate this preference successfully a couple of times so far.
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10-31-2010, 05:47 AM	#34
Seraphim Member [15%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 606	By worthy, one assumes you mean qualified or capable, in which case, 'yes'. I discovered, as an officer in the Marine Corps, I don't like being responsible for other peoples' mistakes or inability to perform, however. I prefer being on the sideline, doing my job, and letting others deal with others. Not long after I started in my current position, some decades ago, they came to me and told me I was in charge of a group. My reply was, "No, I'm not." They tried to force the issue, but could not. I have no desire to deal with co-workers' problems.
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10-31-2010, 02:09 PM	#35
Faarkrog New Member [01%] MBTI: InTJ Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 30	Yes, I like to make plans for others and tell them what to do (and how, if necessary). Last edited by LionsPride; 10-31-2010 at 08:37 PM. Reason: removed signature
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10-31-2010, 09:04 PM	#36
tracemhunter Member [05%] MBTI: INTX Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 217	I have been a supervisor and think I was generally a good boss. I was good at arranging the workers based on how fast they could work and how well they worked with others. There were challenges everyday but in the end it became very routine and mundane. I couldn't take the bureaucracy, physically unsafe work environment, and the feeling of not doing something I am interested in anymore so I quit. I still occasionally talk to a couple of the employees I supervised as well as my co-workers though. They tell me things have only gotten worse.
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10-31-2010, 09:38 PM	#37
Mogura Core Member [175%] MBTI: INFJ Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,031	This is a tough one... I am quite capable of exercising professional judgment and leading a team to successully achieve an objective, often exceeding expectations. However, I am a bit unconventional in my methods, and I don't play well with lame duck managers and I don't talk in douchebagspeak. I'm kinda like the Jack Bauer of IT: I piss off the idiots in suits (a lot), I am almost always right, I value efficience, and I take good care of my team in an almost fanatical devotion kind of way. However, I lack charm and personal charisma, and because of it, the assumption is often made that I am incapable of leading...
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09-07-2012, 01:27 AM	#40
YorkshirePud New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 22	Nope. Been there, done that, hated it. Can't be bothered with all the petty nonsense that some people seem to what to winge about and fill their lives with. Come in, do you job, learn from your mistakes, improve and shut the heck up.
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09-07-2012, 01:48 AM	#41
Dung Veteran Member [92%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,686	Sure but only über management will do - where you don't actually need to be competent at anything but bulldung. votes no
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09-07-2012, 07:04 AM	#42
GeologyRocks Member [07%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 309	Obviously no, as in my thread "Retail Hell" that I started in this forum. I have been a team leader managing a group of people in my field for a contract job I did once. The thing that made it successful is that everyone on that team were at the same educational level and had a want and drive to be there. So they pulled their own weight. My BS get me through my master's degree retail job that I took a couple months ago ended today. I quit. It's like a circus and having to talk to people who are less educated than me is hard enough. Having to deal with the public is worse and having to deal with corporate is enough to go crazy. I loved our corporate e mails, full of spelling errors and typo's. I once got one from the accounting department that was in all caps, at least four paragraphs, with no periods and all scrunched together. I wanted to die.
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