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Old 10-10-2010, 12:08 PM   #1
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This thread is a combination rant and request for advice. I run a dual-boot desktop system with Vista and Ubuntu. One day a couple of weeks ago, Ubuntu stopped booting. It just won't boot anymore, I have no idea why. I can still run Vista but I was only using that as a backup. I lost all my bookmarks, favorites, and Rhythmbox podcasts so this is frustrating to say the least. I posted for help on the Ubuntu forums but no luck. Anyone have a suggestion as to how I can get my system back? Or how I can at least reclaim the part of the hard drive that was devoted to Ubuntu?

Man...Linux is so not user-friendly! Maybe I picked the wrong distribution, but Ubuntu has soured me on the Linux experience.
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Old 10-10-2010, 01:59 PM   #2
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All I can say that it could have been wiser to use only ubuntu. Maybe your computer doesn't have enough power to run both?
If no one wiser with this shows up and tells you what to do I suggest taking all important things from vista to outer hard drive, then deleting vista and if ubuntu still won't boot installing new ubuntu.
(Or vista, if you're willing to do that virus-magnet system. Completely unbiased opinion from person from same country as Linux Torvalds
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Old 10-10-2010, 02:50 PM   #3
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dunno if this is 'right per the geeks'. some smart ass will eventually speak up to tell me i am full of shit, certainly.

i have two parallel boxes. one is windwoes 7, one is ubuntu. i read that there are problems trying to run them off the same box (in the same drive, iow). i never tried it; gates' abortion has always been extremely aggressive towards anything that did not fit its protocols.

i have the disc for ubuntu. when it seems to give problems, i overwrite (reboot) the whole disc drive. there is not one thing on the drive that can't be replaced. everything is loaded onto a stick or separate storage. i learned quickly to store things i give a s about on separate storage.

the only other way i have run ubuntu is off the initial disc itself. that worked with xp and ubuntu 8; it doesn't work with windwoes 7 and ubuntu after 8. you can buy initial discs from the ubuntu store if you can't get one to work downloaded off the net; i did that, and gave a number of them away, since i had to buy 10 to get one. spread the joy.

i like ubuntu. i have initial discs (used to be boot discs, terms changed...wgas?). i overwrite the drive. i surf, i write, i record. windwoes is of limited utility to me. the only reason i tolerate gates abortion in my house is because it runs commercial programs (software), and ubuntu usually won't.

i have worked with windwoes since it came out on ibm 286s. i am quite tired of its problems and continuing growth in size and complexity. perhaps, in about 30 years, i will be tired of ubuntu, also. ya pays yer penny, and takes yer choice.
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Old 10-10-2010, 03:00 PM   #4
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Vista has obviously overwritten the master boot record and removed the linux boot entry (grub). You haven't lost any of your files, don't worry.

Here is a simple how-to that will get you back in operation:


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Old 10-10-2010, 03:09 PM   #5
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Do you get an error message when you try to boot ubuntu, or is the option for it just not there anymore? Can you post a screenshot?
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Old 10-10-2010, 03:25 PM   #6
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Thank you all for responding. To clarify, I have been running dual operating systems for months without incident. I woke up one morning to find my Ubuntu screen had inexplicably frozen overnight. I couldn't get out of it, so I did a hard restart. That's when the trouble began.

I go to the boot screen like normal, where it asks me if I want to run Ubuntu or Vista ("please choose an option, you have eight seconds or it will default to highlighted option, yada yada"). If I choose Vista, everything continues as usual. If I choose Ubuntu, the screen briefly goes blank, and then it cycles back a moment later to the initial boot screen (I don't know what it's called - the one where you have about three seconds to hit Delete and enter BIOS). Then back to my two choices, Ubuntu or Vista. There are no error messages and there is no point where I could take a screenshot, since there's nothing to see.

I don't think the issue has anything to do with either Windows or my hard drive - neither has given me trouble in the past, and neither is giving me trouble now. I think Ubuntu was probably updating something, froze, and lost whatever it needed to boot when I did the hard restart.

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Vista has obviously overwritten the master boot record and removed the linux boot entry (grub). You haven't lost any of your files, don't worry.

Here is a simple how-to that will get you back in operation:


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Unfortunately I don't have a Live CD and would have to make one. I'm willing to try your suggestion but I don't think Vista overwrote my boot record. It wasn't running when the trouble started.

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Old 10-10-2010, 04:10 PM   #7
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  Originally Posted by adastra
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I go to the boot screen like normal, where it asks me if I want to run Ubuntu or Vista ("please choose an option, you have eight seconds or it will default to highlighted option, yada yada"). If I choose Vista, everything continues as usual. If I choose Ubuntu, the screen briefly goes blank, and then it cycles back a moment later to the initial boot screen (I don't know what it's called - the one where you have about three seconds to hit Delete and enter BIOS). Then back to my two choices, Ubuntu or Vista. There are no error messages and there is no point where I could take a screenshot, since there's nothing to see.

Based on this, I doubt Vista had anything to do with it, and I would think your boot record is intact. More likely, IMO, the Ubuntu boot drive somehow went missing. Or, if you've added/removed drives, maybe the boot loader's disk identifier changed.

Without more info, I can't be sure, but I had similar issues years ago, and discovered that Ubuntu was using some unusual hard drive dev nodes, or more probably, symlinks based on a GUID like number, pointing to the dev node. Somehow, these became corrupt, or something, and I had to modify the fstab to point to the actual nodes (hdaX, etc).

Don't know if that means anything to you, but if you get a live CD, and are able to mount your Ubuntu root partition, you might want to look at your /etc/fstab, and make sure the location it's pointing to exists.

Another possibility is a disk failure. If Ubuntu is on a separate drive, the disk may have died, or cable wiggled out of socket.

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Old 10-10-2010, 04:11 PM   #8
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Yeah, my guess is that ubuntu in it's infinite wisdom has updated the kernel and now you're fubar'd. The mbr is fine, since you're still seeing the grub menu.

Anybody know if Ubuntu keeps old kernels around in the /boot/ directory?

You could jump into the grub console and try and boot with another kernel. I cannot for the life of me remember how to get it to show up though.
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:15 PM   #9
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You should back up your files using the Ubuntu LiveCD and reinstall Ubuntu on the same partition without the GRUB option (to keep the Windows Boot Loader).
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:20 PM   #10
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I know the drive has not failed because I do not have two drives. Both operating systems are installed on separate partitions of the same drive.

 
Don't know if that means anything to you, but if you get a live CD, and are able to mount your Ubuntu root partition, you might want to look at your /etc/fstab, and make sure the location it's pointing to exists.

 
You could jump into the grub console and try and boot with another kernel. I cannot for the life of me remember how to get it to show up though.

 
You should back up your files using the Ubuntu LiveCD and reinstall Ubuntu on the same partition without the GRUB option (to keep the Windows Boot Loader).

Thank you guys, all of you - but I don't have a clue how to do any of these things!

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Old 10-10-2010, 04:27 PM   #11
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The first one is easy enough:
Get a cd like you did when you installed Ubuntu.
Put it in, boot into it by doing "try without installing" or whatever.
Go to places. I don't remember what an unmounted ext file system looks like in this little section, but it should be pretty obvious (assuming it is still visible).
Pull up your favorite text editor and open up /etc/fstab. From there...well, it depends what it says there. Post what it says there here, maybe?

Alternately you can reinstall, but that really shouldn't be necessary.
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Old 10-11-2010, 01:24 AM   #12
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I would shutdown completely and startup again, a couple of times. Sometimes it needs it to sort itself out, when strange things like that occur.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:26 PM   #13
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#1 - Why Ubuntu?

#2 - Get a boot CD, boot into it and mount the needed drives. Probably /dev/dha2 or something assuming your Ubuntu install uses 3 partitions and your Vista install uses the last partition. Copy needed folders in /[wherever you mounted to]/home to USB.

#3 - Nuke it. Delete all linux partitions and install Fedora. It isn't ADHD like Ubuntu.

#4 - Copy folders from USB to /home

#5 - Never use Ubuntu again. It's for graphic designers that pretend they're linux people.


OR...

You can boot from the CD and copy the kernel over. See if that works. If not, rebuild grub and all that but this require a little more advanced understanding of how Unix works in general. The first set of suggestions is simpler
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Old 10-11-2010, 06:28 PM   #14
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The short of it is that there is no simple way to restore Ubuntu to a working state. If you have any important data on the Ubuntu partition, then you'll either have to burn a LiveCD or download one of the Linux filesystem readers for Windows (with which I've had no luck). It's sad to see just how shit Ubuntu has become over the years.
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:46 PM   #15
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I really do appreciate all the replies but I think you guys are overestimating my understanding of Linux. I'm following along as best I can, but please keep it simple.

Ok, so I made a live CD and booted from there. I can go to "places" and see my hard drive in there. Now what?
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:50 PM   #16
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Clear out whatever is on your iPod (or whatever portable storage device you have), and transfer all the important files from the Ubuntu partition to your iPod. After you've made sure everything has been copied, disconnect the device. Once you've done this, it's up to you whether to attempt fixing Ubuntu or ditching it for Vista.
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:54 PM   #17
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I don't see any of my Ubuntu files though. There's an Ubuntu folder but it doesn't have anything I recognize in it.

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#1 - Why Ubuntu?

All the research I did told me that Ubuntu was best for Linux beginners; it is easy to install, intuitive to use, and has a wider support base than some of the other releases. But something tells me that if I'm struggling this much with the supposedly simple Ubuntu, Fedora may lead me to take a hammer to my hard drive.

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Old 10-11-2010, 08:03 PM   #18
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Calling all Bash gurus to write a script that detects every possible ext3/4 partition and mounts it to livecd user accessible locations without any privilege escalation nonsense.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:08 PM   #19
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If you're using grub as boot manager, you should see a screen like this not long after booting your computer:
[HIDE="GRUB loading"]
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If you press escape, you'll see a screen like this one:
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If you're dual booting you may see something like the second screen directly after booting. Do you see anything like that when you boot your machine? If not, can you describe what appears after booting?
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:33 PM   #20
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  Originally Posted by adastra
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I don't see any of my Ubuntu files though. There's an Ubuntu folder but it doesn't have anything I recognize in it.

If you're looking for your personal files, they're under /home/<whatever-your-username-is>. When using file-browsers you can also just use '~' as a substitute for the pathname.

 
All the research I did told me that Ubuntu was best for Linux beginners; it is easy to install, intuitive to use, and has a wider support base than some of the other releases.

I'd give
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a try. They used to be Ubuntu-based but now they're using Debian as a base. It's a bit more polished as well, I've found.

 
But something tells me that if I'm struggling this much with the supposedly simple Ubuntu, Fedora may lead me to take a hammer to my hard drive.


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, as the Linux community is so prone to advocating when asked for help. If you can read and understand this guide, you should have no problem handling a Linux machine (it's what I started with!).

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Old 10-11-2010, 09:34 PM   #21
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As a side note, if you are installing again, consider putting /home/ on a separate partition to everything else. That way you can burn your install partition without loosing your personal data.

If you have the livecd up and running, chances are you just need to work out how to mount your harddrive.

Code:
sudo fdisk -l
Will list all partitions & their /dev/ locations.

Then just make a directory somewhere and mount the drives one by one until you find the one you want.
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:18 PM   #22
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  Originally Posted by adastra
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Thank you all for responding. To clarify, I have been running dual operating systems for months without incident. I woke up one morning to find my Ubuntu screen had inexplicably frozen overnight. I couldn't get out of it, so I did a hard restart. That's when the trouble began.

I go to the boot screen like normal, where it asks me if I want to run Ubuntu or Vista ("please choose an option, you have eight seconds or it will default to highlighted option, yada yada"). If I choose Vista, everything continues as usual. If I choose Ubuntu, the screen briefly goes blank, and then it cycles back a moment later to the initial boot screen (I don't know what it's called - the one where you have about three seconds to hit Delete and enter BIOS). Then back to my two choices, Ubuntu or Vista. There are no error messages and there is no point where I could take a screenshot, since there's nothing to see.

I don't think the issue has anything to do with either Windows or my hard drive - neither has given me trouble in the past, and neither is giving me trouble now. I think Ubuntu was probably updating something, froze, and lost whatever it needed to boot when I did the hard restart.

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Unfortunately I don't have a Live CD and would have to make one. I'm willing to try your suggestion but I don't think Vista overwrote my boot record. It wasn't running when the trouble started.

Reinstall Ubuntu. The problem with Ubuntu is it's prone to breaking like this. Suse and Redhat are a bit less user friendly in some ways but are more stable. If you are going to use Ubuntu then you have to know that every time you upgrade core system components like the Kernel or anything like that, the result could be an unbootable system. Fortunately Ubuntu makes backing up the system very easy so that when you reinstall you don't have to lose any of your files. If you installed your /home/ on a separate partition you will be able to reinstall Ubuntu and access that partition later.

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Old 10-12-2010, 12:47 AM   #23
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Funny, I have a very similar problem.

I've been running a dual boot for months, and since about a week, Ubuntu acts real funny when booting. I'll select Ubuntu from the choice menu, it'll start to boot, and then my computer will shut down entirely after a few seconds. Second try, the same thing usually happens. It isn't until attempt #3 or 4 that my system will finally boot to completion. As soon as it has, there is no problem.

(Also, it has been taking longer and longer for that initial choice menu to show up. Odd..)

Anyway, interesting reading all the replies here. (If anyone has a specific clue for my predicament, of course, feel free!) I'm strongly considering trying Linux Mint.. My only question: is there a good torrent client available?
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Old 10-12-2010, 02:01 PM   #24
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I don't see any of my Ubuntu files though. There's an Ubuntu folder but it doesn't have anything I recognize in it.

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All the research I did told me that Ubuntu was best for Linux beginners; it is easy to install, intuitive to use, and has a wider support base than some of the other releases. But something tells me that if I'm struggling this much with the supposedly simple Ubuntu, Fedora may lead me to take a hammer to my hard drive.

Quite the contrary. Ubuntu is great if you don't care at all about what your computer is doing in the back end. It is horrible if anything ever goes wrong as it has strayed the most from its Unix roots. Fedora is much cleaner, runs faster, and isn't as intimidating as you might think. It's quite friendly actually. The userfriendliness of Ubuntu actually should be attributed to Gnome. As far as package managers go, apt-get may be easy to use but it also takes a lot of control away while aptitude just gets irritating after a while.

The only time Fedora has ever really given me a headache was when I was deploying LDAP... and that was due to inexperience rather than the unfriendliness of Fedora.

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