The Elder Scrolls - Nehrim

**integratedvelocity** · 10-05-2010, 10:49 PM

So, this mod came out last month. It's humongous and contains a completely new world, so it's more of a standalone game than a mod. Unfortunately, I have thesis work and LSATs this month, so I can't play it, but I'd love to hear if any of you have tried it out.

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Also, is anyone else as excited as I am about ES V probably coming out next year (hopefully not 2012
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**Zombicide** · 10-05-2010, 10:53 PM

As much as ES pisses me off, I am looking forward to the next instalment in the series. It does have a lot of potential.

**Malkavia** · 10-06-2010, 05:42 AM

ES doesnt piss me off, Oblivion pisses me off. Morrowind was one of my favorite games.

Im thinking about trying Nehrim but I enjoy my current mods too much.

**Rohsiph** · 10-06-2010, 06:26 AM

ES pisses me off. King's Field spoiled me for first-person action-RPGs. As far as I know I'm in a serious minority.

I wanted to enjoy Morrowind when it came out, but the moment all the enemies suddenly grew twice as powerful a second after I leveled regardless of location totally ruined it for me. That's not the way I like RPGs. It's an interesting concept, and I was finally able to stomach the method as presented in Fallout 3, but in Morrowind it was simply infuriating. Oblivion was in the middle--same thing, I wanted to like it after I upgraded my computer but I just couldn't get into it in the end.

I wonder if Bethesda could learn some things looking at the world-organization in the Ultima series? In a way it seems to me like that's at least partially where they're coming from, but they just got it so completely wrong with the last two Elder Scrolls.

**Malkavia** · 10-06-2010, 08:51 AM

I guess since I jumped into mods soon after playing Morrowind I got fixes for the leveling system. The world and storyline is just too compelling for me. I loved it.

**SirJamesIII** · 10-06-2010, 06:23 PM

They can take as long as they want for the next installment of ES. I hope it comes out when I'm not busy because morrowind and oblivion took my life away for a good month.

**Sunny Side Up** · 10-06-2010, 06:30 PM

I only played Morrowind on another computer, but now mine sucks too much even for Morrowind... I really want to play Oblivion :P
Never used mods tough...

Thanks for sharing that Nehrim thing, whenever I get a better comp I'll download =)

**Synchronicity** · 10-06-2010, 06:34 PM

Looks interesting. I think I may try it, but probably not anytime soon.

**Jonathan Brewer** · 10-07-2010, 03:39 PM

I've downloaded this, though I haven't played it yet. I've little time for Oblivion anymore, and anytime I do sit down to it I end up modding instead of playing.

**Firebrand** · 10-08-2010, 03:12 PM

I don't care for Oblivion as much as Morrowind, but I'll download it just in case I ever get through my backlog of 500 or so games I need to play through.

One of the reasons I like Morrowind is that I don't even know what the story is despite having banked over 60 hours into the game. I just make up my own quests and go do them. For instance, I own a castle in Morrowind (self-appointed mission). For me Morrowind is all the good stuff of a MMORPG without all the fucking annoying people (which is just about everyone minus < ~0.1% of the population).

**Jonathan Brewer** · 10-10-2010, 05:41 PM

I agree with most of you; Morrowind is definitely the better of the two, but that's only if you aren't including mods. Besides, there's also the Morroblivion mod available for those who own both games. I couldn't go back to Morrowind with its severely limited combat engine. That said, I'd never play Oblivion without mods again either.

**Firebrand** · 10-12-2010, 03:00 PM

Moroblivion looks promising. I still have issues with Oblivion's "everything is shiny/reflective" vertex and pixel shaders and the hackneyed and hobbled GUI.

Here's a question for Oblivion players : What mods do you think are best beyond the one this thread was about?

**Jonathan Brewer** · 10-12-2010, 03:43 PM

*cough* Here goes...

Wrye Bash (Utility)
OBSE (Utility)
RefStuff (Utility)
Pluggy (Utility)
BOSS - Better Oblivion Sorting Software (Utility)
MUTE
Unofficial Oblivion Patch
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch
Unofficial Official Plugin Patch
Martigen's Monster Mod
TIE - Tamriel Immersive Experience
Qarl's Texture Pack III
HGEC Body Mod and Armor & Clothing Replacer
Robert's Body Mod and Armor & Clothing Replacer
All Natural
All Natural - Real Lights
Weather-All Natural
Atmospheric Weather System
Animated Window Lighting System
Kvatch Rebuilt or Kvatch Aftermath
The Sentient Weapon
Et in Arkay Ego
Thieves Arsenal
The Stranded Light
The Ayleid Steps
Gates to Aesgaard
The Dungeons of Ivellon
Curse of Hircine
StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised
Daggerfall Memories: The Liberation of Cybiades
Knights of the White Stallion
Lost Paladins of the Divines
The Lost Spires
Ruined Tail's Tale
Malevolent
Tears of the Fiend
The Heart of the Dead
Enhanced Water
Alive Waters
Harvest Containers
Harvest Flora
Regal Imperial City
ImpeREAL City Unique Districts
ImpeREAL City Unique Castles
Drop Lit Torches
Dungeon Actors Have Torches
Exterior Actors Have Torches
Realistic Physics and Force
Supreme Magicka
Enchantment Restore
Reneer Guard Overhaul
Let There Be Darkness
Realistic Leveling
Darnified DarkUI
Atmospheric Loading Screens
Kyoma's Journal Mod
Quest Award Leveler
Baddy
Red Sonia
All the Duke Patrick Mods
All the Unique Landscape Mods
All the Mr. Silka & Centurion Mods

and one that is very dear to me:

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I could name dozens more, and provide links for most if not all, but I imagine that's enough for now.
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**Malkavia** · 10-13-2010, 06:33 AM

Obscuros Oblivion Overhaul
Better Cities
Ruined Tail's Tale
Aylied Steps
All Natural Weather

and tons of others, but I think Brewer will keep you satisfied for a little while.

**Architectonic** · 10-16-2010, 09:43 PM

	Originally Posted by Jonathan Brewer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That said, I'd never play Oblivion without mods again either.

Or the lack of voice acting etc. I tried to play Morrowind again and it seemed crude. But I remember playing Morrowind for 100's of hours and I enjoyed it more than Oblivion. I don't quite understand it except maybe I've completely played it out. The Sword of Peritihia TC was fun when I played it in 2004 or so, however crude its manufacture.

Has anyone actually played this TC or others for Oblivion? I am easily disappointed in 'almost complete' or anything that doesn't feel totally coherent and preferably not cliche.

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I've just started it. The English subtitles are particularly badly translated. The game might be OK if you speak German though.

**integratedvelocity** · 10-17-2010, 08:34 PM

Well, luckily I speak German
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I completely agree that mods are necessary for a good Oblivion experience. While I don't make my own mods, I inevitably end up spending more quality time with Wrye Bash than I do actually playing the game. Ah, the hours spend converting eyes to use the same mesh... The story for Morrowind was definitely better, though. Running errands for a whiny future emperor doesn't do it for me.

My list of mods was comparable to Jonathan's when I was playing regularly. The folder size was several times that of a vanilla install, but it was worth it. It still gives me warm and fuzzy feelings...

**Causa Mortis** · 10-17-2010, 10:33 PM

	Originally Posted by Jonathan Brewer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I agree with most of you; Morrowind is definitely the better of the two, but that's only if you aren't including mods. Besides, there's also the Morroblivion mod available for those who own both games. I couldn't go back to Morrowind with its severely limited combat engine. That said, I'd never play Oblivion without mods again either.

I got a ton out of Morrowind and it is, in my humble opinion, the finest RPG ever made. I found Oblivion OK to play through once but otherwise uninspiring.

**Gruelien** · 10-20-2010, 12:07 PM

I have Nehrim but have not played it much past the initial area. I need to do that before Tax season takes me away for a quarter.

**Architectonic** · 10-20-2010, 04:33 PM

So anyway, I have been playing it and the translation is mostly OK. As it turns out, I usually am too impatient to listen to all the voice acting anyway - I turn on subtitles even if it is in English.

The game is fun, but has a few quirks - they seem to have this thing about using the physics engine to physically locate statues in the centre of circles and things - something that the Oblivion engine really sucks at, resulting in a frustrating experience until you get the knack. It is still very Obliviony since the game mechanics are still there.
Group scuffles are still awful since you have no idea who is going to move in front of your weapon.

Some Morrowind and Gothic inspiration though. There are some really lame moments (who like fetching cog wheels etc), and some very cool moments too and eye candy better than Bethesda's work in some places. The game remains challenging as you level up unlike Oblivion.

Economy wise, you are reliant on alchemy - at least if you want to afford the consumables to allow fast travel.

The game mentions at least two quests that don't exist - re Zerobilon and Nexus Halls locations - this sucks. They should at least put a note in the journal text until they are fully implemented.

10-05-2010, 10:49 PM	#1
integratedvelocity Member [11%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 459	So, this mod came out last month. It's humongous and contains a completely new world, so it's more of a standalone game than a mod. Unfortunately, I have thesis work and LSATs this month, so I can't play it, but I'd love to hear if any of you have tried it out. Website: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also, is anyone else as excited as I am about ES V probably coming out next year (hopefully not 2012 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. )?
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10-06-2010, 05:42 AM	#3
Malkavia Core Member [235%] MBTI: ENXP Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9,427	ES doesnt piss me off, Oblivion pisses me off. Morrowind was one of my favorite games. Im thinking about trying Nehrim but I enjoy my current mods too much.
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10-06-2010, 06:26 AM	#4
Rohsiph Member [29%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,161	ES pisses me off. King's Field spoiled me for first-person action-RPGs. As far as I know I'm in a serious minority. I wanted to enjoy Morrowind when it came out, but the moment all the enemies suddenly grew twice as powerful a second after I leveled regardless of location totally ruined it for me. That's not the way I like RPGs. It's an interesting concept, and I was finally able to stomach the method as presented in Fallout 3, but in Morrowind it was simply infuriating. Oblivion was in the middle--same thing, I wanted to like it after I upgraded my computer but I just couldn't get into it in the end. I wonder if Bethesda could learn some things looking at the world-organization in the Ultima series? In a way it seems to me like that's at least partially where they're coming from, but they just got it so completely wrong with the last two Elder Scrolls.
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10-06-2010, 08:51 AM	#5
Malkavia Core Member [235%] MBTI: ENXP Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9,427	I guess since I jumped into mods soon after playing Morrowind I got fixes for the leveling system. The world and storyline is just too compelling for me. I loved it.
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10-06-2010, 06:23 PM	#6
SirJamesIII Member [36%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,449	They can take as long as they want for the next installment of ES. I hope it comes out when I'm not busy because morrowind and oblivion took my life away for a good month.
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10-06-2010, 06:30 PM	#7
Sunny Side Up Member [02%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 83	I only played Morrowind on another computer, but now mine sucks too much even for Morrowind... I really want to play Oblivion :P Never used mods tough... Thanks for sharing that Nehrim thing, whenever I get a better comp I'll download =)
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10-06-2010, 06:34 PM	#8
Synchronicity Core Member [366%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 14,657	Looks interesting. I think I may try it, but probably not anytime soon.
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10-07-2010, 03:39 PM	#9
Jonathan Brewer Core Member [135%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,411	I've downloaded this, though I haven't played it yet. I've little time for Oblivion anymore, and anytime I do sit down to it I end up modding instead of playing.
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10-08-2010, 03:12 PM	#10
Firebrand Member [41%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,642	I don't care for Oblivion as much as Morrowind, but I'll download it just in case I ever get through my backlog of 500 or so games I need to play through. One of the reasons I like Morrowind is that I don't even know what the story is despite having banked over 60 hours into the game. I just make up my own quests and go do them. For instance, I own a castle in Morrowind (self-appointed mission). For me Morrowind is all the good stuff of a MMORPG without all the fucking annoying people (which is just about everyone minus < ~0.1% of the population).
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10-10-2010, 05:41 PM	#11
Jonathan Brewer Core Member [135%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,411	I agree with most of you; Morrowind is definitely the better of the two, but that's only if you aren't including mods. Besides, there's also the Morroblivion mod available for those who own both games. I couldn't go back to Morrowind with its severely limited combat engine. That said, I'd never play Oblivion without mods again either.
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10-12-2010, 03:00 PM	#12
Firebrand Member [41%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,642	Moroblivion looks promising. I still have issues with Oblivion's "everything is shiny/reflective" vertex and pixel shaders and the hackneyed and hobbled GUI. Here's a question for Oblivion players : What mods do you think are best beyond the one this thread was about?
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10-12-2010, 03:43 PM	#13
Jonathan Brewer Core Member [135%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,411	cough Here goes... Wrye Bash (Utility) OBSE (Utility) RefStuff (Utility) Pluggy (Utility) BOSS - Better Oblivion Sorting Software (Utility) MUTE Unofficial Oblivion Patch Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch Unofficial Official Plugin Patch Martigen's Monster Mod TIE - Tamriel Immersive Experience Qarl's Texture Pack III HGEC Body Mod and Armor & Clothing Replacer Robert's Body Mod and Armor & Clothing Replacer All Natural All Natural - Real Lights Weather-All Natural Atmospheric Weather System Animated Window Lighting System Kvatch Rebuilt or Kvatch Aftermath The Sentient Weapon Et in Arkay Ego Thieves Arsenal The Stranded Light The Ayleid Steps Gates to Aesgaard The Dungeons of Ivellon Curse of Hircine StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised Daggerfall Memories: The Liberation of Cybiades Knights of the White Stallion Lost Paladins of the Divines The Lost Spires Ruined Tail's Tale Malevolent Tears of the Fiend The Heart of the Dead Enhanced Water Alive Waters Harvest Containers Harvest Flora Regal Imperial City ImpeREAL City Unique Districts ImpeREAL City Unique Castles Drop Lit Torches Dungeon Actors Have Torches Exterior Actors Have Torches Realistic Physics and Force Supreme Magicka Enchantment Restore Reneer Guard Overhaul Let There Be Darkness Realistic Leveling Darnified DarkUI Atmospheric Loading Screens Kyoma's Journal Mod Quest Award Leveler Baddy Red Sonia All the Duke Patrick Mods All the Unique Landscape Mods All the Mr. Silka & Centurion Mods and one that is very dear to me: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I could name dozens more, and provide links for most if not all, but I imagine that's enough for now. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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10-13-2010, 06:33 AM	#14
Malkavia Core Member [235%] MBTI: ENXP Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9,427	Obscuros Oblivion Overhaul Better Cities Ruined Tail's Tale Aylied Steps All Natural Weather and tons of others, but I think Brewer will keep you satisfied for a little while.
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10-17-2010, 08:34 PM	#16
integratedvelocity Member [11%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 459	Well, luckily I speak German To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I completely agree that mods are necessary for a good Oblivion experience. While I don't make my own mods, I inevitably end up spending more quality time with Wrye Bash than I do actually playing the game. Ah, the hours spend converting eyes to use the same mesh... The story for Morrowind was definitely better, though. Running errands for a whiny future emperor doesn't do it for me. My list of mods was comparable to Jonathan's when I was playing regularly. The folder size was several times that of a vanilla install, but it was worth it. It still gives me warm and fuzzy feelings...
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10-20-2010, 12:07 PM	#18
Gruelien New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11	I have Nehrim but have not played it much past the initial area. I need to do that before Tax season takes me away for a quarter.
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10-20-2010, 04:33 PM	#19
Architectonic Member [08%] MBTI: xxxx Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 357	So anyway, I have been playing it and the translation is mostly OK. As it turns out, I usually am too impatient to listen to all the voice acting anyway - I turn on subtitles even if it is in English. The game is fun, but has a few quirks - they seem to have this thing about using the physics engine to physically locate statues in the centre of circles and things - something that the Oblivion engine really sucks at, resulting in a frustrating experience until you get the knack. It is still very Obliviony since the game mechanics are still there. Group scuffles are still awful since you have no idea who is going to move in front of your weapon. Some Morrowind and Gothic inspiration though. There are some really lame moments (who like fetching cog wheels etc), and some very cool moments too and eye candy better than Bethesda's work in some places. The game remains challenging as you level up unlike Oblivion. Economy wise, you are reliant on alchemy - at least if you want to afford the consumables to allow fast travel. The game mentions at least two quests that don't exist - re Zerobilon and Nexus Halls locations - this sucks. They should at least put a note in the journal text until they are fully implemented.
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