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When a new idea is thought of at what stage of development and testing, should it be shared?
Is their an ethical responsibility associated with the new idea being shared? If so, does the responsibility vary depending upon what/where/how the idea is shared? Is the sharer of the idea obligated to state certainty they have in the idea? Is it okay to assume others will independently think through an idea on their own? Should you have to earn the "right" to present ideas or should everyone have a right to put forth ideas? Should an idea be judged on its own merits-independent of the person who presented it or are the two linked -ie an idea is rejected if it doesnt come from the right person? |
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i'm all for sharing ideas, but that doesn't mean i won't immediately shoot your idea down if i see flaws.
i tend to keep my own ideas to myself until i feel they are solid. |
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Gah! Too many "shoulds". I don't like "should" one bit.
In an ideal world, the idea's state of development or prior judgement about the presenter's intellectual ability/credibility would not matter, as everybody would be seeking Truth impartially. Such a world is as mythical as unicorns, so the state of development is actually quite significant. Releasing a shoddily thought out idea in its infancy would be disastrous for its future (and the reputation of its presenter). Usually, no amount of improvement can overcome the first impressions of evaluators. If the incomplete idea is actually sensible, it will be co-opted by those seeking to further their agendas. They will tack on their own commentary, ignoring your development thereafter. Responsibility for ill-effects of an idea lies solely with perpetrators, not the originator. There is no obligation to state one's certainty in an idea, although it can hurt or help depending on the crowd. The hoi polloi love certainty, conflating it with confidence. The wise abhor certainty, as they've been around long enough to experience radical changes in their own views. A few (maybe many) will be able to think through an idea independently when given the initial conditions. They will almost certainly arrive at slightly different conclusions. Everybody should have the right to present ideas. Ideas should be judged by their own merits, but this rarely happens in the real world. |
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I find sharing my ideas at an early stage with the right people (preferably and INTP) is way more efficient than keeping them to my self. The process of making the idea solid goes a lot faster when you let other brains review it. A long speech about potential flaws is exactly what I want to continue it's development.
Of course everyone should have the right to put forth ideas, why wouldn't some people be eligible for idea sharing? |
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There are plenty of ideas I don't share because I suspect they might cause harm to others or be otherwise disruptive.
As for when it should be shared... depends on what effect its likely to have. If you have a great money making idea... share it in ways that it makes you money To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. |
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I'm curious, how could your ideas cause harm to others? |
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Some of my thoughts are below. This seems to be a fairly broad topic, so there are many situations to consider. It's hard to give a one size fits all answer.
If the idea has some direct impact on a decision process, even if the idea isn't fully baked, it may be wise to speak up. Numerous times I've said soemthign to the extent of "I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but have we considered . . . . " Sometimes it turns out to be nothing, sometimes it changes the course of the decision, and sometimes it sparks its own new discussion.
Maybe. For example, if someone's life is in danger and you have an idea how to save them, I'd say there is some responsibility there. Other situations may not have the same responsibility. If you have an idea that your friend should pick blue carpet instead of brown, it may be nice to provide your input, but I wouldn't say that rises to the level of a ethical responsibility.
Again, maybe. If someone has proposed a method for saving a life and you have tried it many times without success, it is probably important to say you are fairly certian of that.
Usually not, although if you are presenting an idea to a group you work with often, you probably have a good idea who will and will not put effort into it.
There are valid cases where groups can exclude certian people from presenting ideas, or at least restrict their ability to do so in some way. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that. On the other hand, some situations, like some emergencies, may be better served if everyone is allowed to present ideas.
I think it is fine to take source into account. My wife and I generally reject ideas on how to manage our finances from our eight year old. He just doesn't have the understanding of finances in general and our situation in particular to have credible ideas in that area. Such determinations, however, cannot always be made and it may not always be appropriate to reject an idea based only on where it came from. |
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After you have applied for the patent! |
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Give people who don't deserve power more power, or facilitate negative objectives of people who might have a desire to carry them out rather than study things from a theoretical perspective. |
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As soon as it has passed the initial internal questioning/testing phase and requires other input to determine its validity in application.
Depends on what the consequences (or potential effects/consequences) are of sharing vs. not sharing the idea. Simply sharing or not sharing the idea may absolve you of further ethical responsibility.
Sometimes the timing/setting/delivery of an idea has a significant effect on its chances of being considered and/or adopted. If there's an ethical dilemma in play, finding the appropriate time/setting/delivery method may be required that supersedes my answer to the first question.
Are we talking about internal or external feelings of responsibility? Responsibility can be a subjective thing depending on the dynamics of the situation and internally or externally rationalized.
No. Sometimes withholding your degree of (un)certainty is necessary for fostering a conversation.
Absolutely not. 50% of the population is below average intelligence. Moreover, if the idea doesn't affect them directly, they may be more likely to leave it to others to think through.
Some people's ideas are weighed more carefully from past experiences with successful ideas in a group dynamic. Newcomers or people with previously unsuccessful ideas (or delivery of those ideas) aren't always treated with the same respect.
SHOULD it, or IS it? I think the right idea from the wrong person gets rejected all the time, but I don't think it should be that way. |
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Stock,
I would like to hear some of your thoughts. Honestly, I'm not sure how to answer any of your questions. I know how I prefer to share ideas and I know how I prefer them to be shared with me. But those differ. And they're merely preferences.
It depends. *sigh*
I'm not sure I'd say there are any "responsibilities," but there are things to acknowledge/consider (some of which you've recognized). I would add the who, when, and why.
Obligated? Responsible? I'm still saying no.
It's okay. But dumb.
I'm open to everyone and every idea. I put forth the "right to put forth."
I think people should be judged by their ideas. I do not think ideas should be judged by their people. |
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All of the above are totally alien thoughts which by logical extension I have never thought about. In fact reading them just gave me a headache. |
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Sure!
The essential word here is the word "should". It is implying there is a value judgment waiting to be passed, not on the idea, but more associated with the sharing of the idea before it is complete or before you have sufficient buy-in from others in the group. "Should" you share the idea?
^^ For these three, I always have assumed other people are individual entities who are capable-and have a god given right, so to speak,-to be allowed to evaluate the problem under discussion. Realistically I realize people are pretty stupid and lazy. They may or may not evaluate, but it is not my place to decide what ideas they should be exposed to or to make the choice they should not see the idea, simply because I dont think they can be logical about it.
I have always evaluated ideas in isolation from the person who presented the idea. Once the idea is externalized it is placed in the center of the table and it is fair game to find holes in it. It is about the idea having flaws, which doesnt really connect to the person who suggested the idea having flaws. |
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Although we may be able to separate ideas from their proponents, it is wishful (and dangerous) thinking to assume that others do so as well. There are numerous psychological contaminants in any intellectual environment; obstinate morons who tie the success of their idea to their ego, face-saving behaviour, fear of social reprisal for touching upon taboo ideas, (dis)favouring ideas because of personal relationships, intellectual tribalism, etc. So the timing and method of presentation are highly dependent on the environment.
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Maybe I don't understand what you are trying to say here. How do you get group buy-in without sharing the idea? Or maybe you mean share it outside of the immediate team you are working with? |
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Well. I have seen this go down a couple of different ways. |
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Always! Other's information can be added to your own and you can build it further. Then, with your new information about their information, they'll have more information about that! It's a snowball effect. |
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One could argue that any idea expressed is 'sharing'.
Sometimes.*
Upon context? It fucking better.
Does the responsibility depend upon context, and if so, does context depend upon content?
Content/context.
Content/context.
Content/context.
Bad idea machines are bad. |
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I have a library of ideas I wrote down ever since I turned 15. The only person that has seen them is me. I personally don’t like to share ideas for two reasons: one, some of them challenge people's reality and could potentially change it, making me sound more crazy then normal and two, there my ideas, if I go spouting them out someone could potentially take them as their own. I guess I'm just paranoid like that. I figure once I leave then I really won’t care who knows by then. Although I don’t mind a few being shared.
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When you can state it in a sentence.
If it could be harmful to others, then it should be formulated in a way that mitigates the harm.
No.
Yes.
You mean how certain they are that the idea is true? Yes.
It's logical to assume someone will. We're not quite in the film Idiocracy yet.
In some places the former, in some the latter.
Own merits. |
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Well, having an idea-first of all- I believe it is a good thing, because it shows that somebody can think and imagine. Thought and imagination help us to go forward.
I suppose we can seperate ideas into personal- when they have to do with our own improvement -and impersonal when they have to do with other's improvement. In my opinion, personal ideas should be kept more private and talk them only with persons we can really trust and know they have the ability to help us -and share impersonal ideas with those that are interested to hear them and might have benefit from them. I like hearing new ideas from others, I judge them by myself-I rank them into categories by my own value system- and if I find an idea good I put all my strength to make it come true. In this process I don't care who has invented the idea as long as I find it good and possible to apply and motives of the inventor are not bad. |
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When its near finalization or finalized, since all new ideas are either accepted or rejected by the majority of people regardless of its merits since they either don't want to or actually unable to understand its newness because it goes against their already held idea, the minority who have a sufficient background in its field can be given the exception of early access conditioning they don't criticize it heavily, even if there are errors in it, since all ideas take time to mature before being able to handle constructive criticism ...
No ... unless its detrimental to somebodies existence, & can lead to harm or death in the wrong hands or minds.
Yes ... what, if the idea is going to update, upgrade or completely change the fundamentals of the one/s pervious to it ... where, if its going to be presented in the wrong place thats its going to be rejected, or even offensively degraded ... how, that depends on the language of presentation, depending on the simplicity or complexity of it, language should fit not the other way around.
No, it doesn't matter, new ideas are always resisted heavily, even when they prove better, you just have to do your best ...
Yes, because you can't separate ideas from its creators, until the idea is public, its individual, once its shared, its collective ...
No, its better to assume nobody will care about it, or destructively criticize it, the idea will have to evolve, either live or die ...
I'd say earning the right, because if you don't work to materialize it, or atleast theorize it so it can be so, then so what, its of no value unless its constructed to be used by you & others too ...
In an idealistic world, yes, but we don't live in one |
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