[sevans]

Originally Posted by Thinktress To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

my school did teach that the earth is only around 6000 years old, carbon dating is bogus, dinosaurs lived with man, evolution is bogus. We weren't allowed to read any classic literature, including shakespeare. There were no science labs, so when I got to college, I couldn't use a microscope. Needless to say, the school was not accredited, so many students who weren't as smart as I was had to take a ged in order to get into college. I did well on my entrance exams (which I took at fifteen) so I was accepted into college without a ged at sixteen after I finished their bogus curriculum early. My school is one of hundreds, if not thousands, just like it across the nation. There is NOTHING you can do about these schools since they refuse to accept accreditation and thus, oversight. As long as home schooling is legal, they fall under the same basic loophole. This is also how the FLDS and other groups can school their children away from government oversight. It has nothing to do with academics and everything to do with indoctrination. For those of you not with the program, a lot of this is part of the "latter rain" movement and the rise of the "five fold ministry." Children are not being trained to make the most of their lives, they are being indoctrinated to become members of the five fold ministry: teachers, prophets, apostles, and so on. The aim is to evangelize the world so that Christ can return. These "new Christian movements" seem to think that God/Christ need their help in order to eventuate the return of Christ as foretold in Revelations. (sorry - I haven't been able to get my epo and my blood count is really low, and apparently has been for a while. It causes me to be hypoxic and I make a lot of spelling errors when this happens. It will probably be another week or so before this clears up - I edit where I see it, but I don't always catch it).

So when I tell people that the religious are trying to take over the world, I'm not just some paranoid fuck? I mean everything I've read about the situation and experienced first hand aren't delusions? Holy shit, I might be sane after all...

Please, recognize that this isn't sarcasm in the slightest bit, it is completely sincere.

[Thinktress]

Well if you ARE paranoid, they are just as paranoid. They used to tell us every day about how the government etc was out to get us. Why do you think they had all of those weapons at Waco? Which is ironic. It ends up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of those groups. Same thing with Jonestown.

[Koniology]

Where I grew up the high schools that were Roman Catholic were considered the most academic- Freshman curriculum of one high school- No exceptions- Biology, Algebra 1, English Literature, English Grammar, Spanish (or another language), World History, Religion. In order for a child to get into the school he had to score well on an entrance exam. My understanding is at this particular school the two brightest freshman were Jewish, I would bet, but not a lot of shekels,need to put a few of those in the knipl- they are still Jewish. However, it is true that a liqour store manager that I spoke with indicated he had gone to the same school, don't know if he is still a Catholic. The venerable Bede- "The father of English History" if I'm not mistaken was a Catholic. I know of 2 Catholics that grew up attending Catholic school and both received Phd's in Scientific fields- one of these Catholic school graduates is a university professor who is married to another u prof. who is not a Catholic, and I don't believe attended Catholic school- he teaches history. As far as heaven and hell goes- learning and believing in the two opposites growing up helped me develop a more contemplative conscience. Now before, learning about Chrisitianity, I remember having a nightmare when I was a just a little urchin about 4 years old- and there were 3 or 4 evil looking faces going rah! rah! rah! at me- man that was scarier than hell.

[Subgenius]

Originally Posted by Undead Bonzi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I must have missed the religion part when I want to my public elementary school. Care to elaborate? @ the OP. Religious schools are private institutions and thus are perfectly acceptable. As long as the graduates of these schools reach certain academic benchmarks (that are already in place) they are acceptable. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the religion or dislike the idea, your children will not be forced to go to any such institution unless you want them to. Also, outside of some areas of science many of these private schools far outperform public schools (mostly because of better funding = better teachers, better facilities and smaller class sizes). As far as indoctrination...every kid I met in college who had gone to a private Catholic high school stopped being a Catholic because of it. It was something of a running joke with some of my friends. Indoctrination is a two edged sword.

While I might have dropped out also, it doesn't mean that Catholic schools offer bad educations. Some of their universities and high schools systems are among the best in the nation and world. The Jesuits go places no one else will. I will admit that in Africa the agenda in regards to AIDS is rather rather silly, but they do offer a fairly modern and scientifically up to date education. That being said, fundie christian schools really should be just done away with. After watching Jesus Camp, I honestly think most of those folks should be sterilized. The thought of them running schools is rather scary.

[MIKEEEEE]

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[Equinox]

I think there's nothing wrong with religion-based schools. I didn't go to one as a kid but I'm sure I would have liked it. (But are there Protestant schools? I'm not Catholic.) I also don't understand why everyone's suddenly like "oh no they're indoctrinating our kids and turning them into ultraconservative zombie soldiers!" I guess people are conflating religious schools with weird sects like the Dravidians, the People's Temple, and Warren Jeffs' cult out west. Catholic schools have been in America for decades and decades, and you don't see militant Catholics trying to take over America, do you? Geez, some people sure are paranoid about religion, instead of looking at the potential good it can accomplish...but anyway...

I see nothing wrong with religious schools. But at the same time, Americans have to exist in America. Teaching religion in schools is great, but it can't be at the expense of teaching kids antinomianism (a belief that you should reject secular law because divine law is all that matters). Religious schools must also teach students how to exist in secular society and explain what their rights and civic duties are. Therefore, I would recommend that they adhere to the doctrine of "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's."

[Haumea]

If public schools weren't full of leftists pushing secular-socialist values subversive to Western civilization and America's founding principles one could almost muster up some sympathy for the complaints here.

Hey, I have an idea! Let's fix the public schools first before we worry about regulating private schools. I've yet to be impressed by what they've been producing recently (unless tedious, brainwashed, groupthink zombies are your idea of "educated.")

[sevans]

Originally Posted by Haumea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

If public schools weren't full of leftists pushing secular-socialist values subversive to Western civilization and America's founding principles one could almost muster up some sympathy for the complaints here. Hey, I have an idea! Let's fix the public schools first before we worry about regulating private schools. I've yet to be impressed by what they've been producing recently (unless tedious, brainwashed, groupthink zombies are your idea of "educated.")

You and me both man. In all of my public school experience I was publicly ridiculed by teachers for disagreeing with their fundementally flawed logic. I was shamed in class and got detention quite a few times in middle school due to it.

[druggie]

sure, why not? as long as i'm not paying for it, i don't care. if you want to spend extra money and send your kid to a school to be brainwashed by some religion, that's your choice. bottom line is i'm not funding it.

[Grimace]

Originally Posted by Haumea To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

If public schools weren't full of leftists pushing secular-socialist values subversive to Western civilization and America's founding principles one could almost muster up some sympathy for the complaints here. Hey, I have an idea! Let's fix the public schools first before we worry about regulating private schools. I've yet to be impressed by what they've been producing recently (unless tedious, brainwashed, groupthink zombies are your idea of "educated.")

Assuming that all posters in this thread are American..