GEEKS Nice or Not?

**GOD** · 10-26-2007, 01:20 PM

Ok,

All my life I've lived a "bipolar" relationship with two distinctive groups of people.

1) The intelligent Geeks &

2) The Outgoing Sports "Jocks" (as you call them in the US?).

(Which is a combination of being both an INTJ and being an 8).

One thing I used to notice is that often the intelligent geeks were just really "intelligent" based on the fact that they were socially excluded rather than being naturally intelligent, but the most noticeable fact is that they were dependable and "nice".

Now the question I pose is whether "Geeks" are nice people because they "have" to be (to get along) or whether they naturally are.

So? Are Geeks nice or do they have to be? :P

Let the battle commence.... 8-)

**OneBadMother** · 10-26-2007, 01:29 PM

I think that the ones perceived as nice are like most "nice" people. Either genuinely nice and not too begrudging about it, or "nice" and incredibly resentful about it.

I knew a guy once from another forum who was a "nice guy". He was very outgoing, apparently the kind of ordinary stuck in friends zone guy who ordinary women would cry at. He used to complain about how he hadn't had any sex. Then he had the opportunity with this girl who was apparently extremely emotionally unstable, and he did, despite clearly knowing that and knowing that she would expect more. I'm not saying that all "nice guy" geeks are like this, but I'm willing to bet a nice proportion of them are. They're incredibly ordinary people.

**GOD** · 10-26-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by OneBadMother

I think that the ones perceived as nice are like most "nice" people. Either genuinely nice and not too begrudging about it, or "nice" and incredibly resentful about it.

I knew a guy once from another forum who was a "nice guy". He was very outgoing, apparently the kind of ordinary stuck in friends zone guy who ordinary women would cry at. He used to complain about how he hadn't had any sex. Then he had the opportunity with this girl who was apparently extremely emotionally unstable, and he did, despite clearly knowing that and knowing that she would expect more. I'm not saying that all "nice guy" geeks are like this, but I'm willing to bet a nice proportion of them are. They're incredibly ordinary people.

Well, I'll contribute my 2c worth...

Basically it revolves around the statement "Why are attractive women bitches?... because they can be."

Thats it... many people are the way they are because society allows them to transgress to what they would like to be most (generally as selfish as possible). Obviously there are people that project what they believe and act the way they desire to be.... But many people don't think...so they become whatever expectations are reflected on them...

**rwyatt365** · 10-26-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by OneBadMother

I knew a guy once from another forum who was a "nice guy". He was very outgoing, apparently the kind of ordinary stuck in friends zone guy who ordinary women would cry at. He used to complain about how he hadn't had any sex. Then he had the opportunity with this girl who was apparently extremely emotionally unstable, and he did, despite clearly knowing that and knowing that she would expect more. I'm not saying that all "nice guy" geeks are like this, but I'm willing to bet a nice proportion of them are. They're incredibly ordinary people.

My guess is that someone that was truly intelligent would know, understand and respect other people. That they would understand the benefits of peaceful coexistence and practice it. That doesn't mean that an intelligent person is nice by default, but that they have come to the conclusion that "niceness" is a practical mode of living.

Now, some intelligent people have come to an opposing conclusion; that "niceness" provides no benefits, and that evil, anti-social, or bad behavior has a significant benefit. I would eliminate sociopaths from this category, because they just hate other people in general. The intelligent bad-guy has formed a world-view that has discovered a significant benefit to being "not nice" and follows that path.

OBM – I think your example is from the latter category. He saw a benefit (sex) that existed in the circumstance you described and he took advantage of it. I wouldn't consider that to be the norm.

**OneBadMother** · 10-26-2007, 02:03 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure about that, though. He didn't seem exceptionally intelligent, just a geek (liked collecting things and had encyclopedic knowledge of video game stuff). Also, when I called him out on his behavior he reverted to "nice guy" mode, attempting to pacify me with his justification.

**GOD** · 10-26-2007, 02:12 PM

	Originally Posted by OneBadMother
	Hmm, I'm not sure about that, though. He didn't seem exceptionally intelligent, just a geek (liked collecting things and had encyclopedic knowledge of video game stuff). Also, when I called him out on his behavior he reverted to "nice guy" mode, attempting to pacify me with his justification.

His hormones probably turned him rabid... (He just eventually got to the point where he thought "Stuff it, I'll be really selfish as everyone else is, I'll just do what I want and stuff the other persons needs"

It happens, Sex and Money make people act in stange ways....

This poses another issue, whether its "just" to "take candy from a baby" if there's no recourse back to yourself... its about personal ethics.

**orange** · 10-26-2007, 02:16 PM

some geeks are just down right mean... most (me for example) are nice, untill they get board then they get mean just cause it's funny.

**GOD** · 10-26-2007, 02:33 PM

	Originally Posted by orange
	some geeks are just down right mean... *most (me for example) are nice, untill they get board then they get mean just cause it's funny.

Thats not mean, thats just "trolling" as they say.

More "I's" are tight with their money thats for sure....

**thegnat** · 10-26-2007, 02:38 PM

I have perspectives on both these types since I hang about about half my time with jocks and half my time with geeks/nerds.

Do you *really* think all Jocks are great people? Do you *really* think they're all that nice? In my personal experience Geeks are far nicer than Jocks.

Now when I hang out with Jocks - I, myself am very "Jock-ish". So it's not because I'm a nerd that they socially exclude me or anything. This may sound really egotistical but I think the reason some jocks haven't liked me is because I'm better than they are at their sport. One person hated me because I kept beating her and beating her and beating her each time we played. She thought she was better. Ugh that got really ugly. Thank goodness she moved.
However I also do my own thing. I don't fall for getting into drama and shit. I also have to do a lot more work than the rest of the team and they don't understand how much I really have to do. I don't think that makes me too well liked sometimes.
I think this also has to do with the competitive nature of jocks.

This isn't to say Jocks aren't nice. I've met some nice ones in other sports, the men's tennis team has been nice to me (as I'm nice to them - the other girls aren't nice to them so they don't get as much respect back).

So generally the girls on the team aren't huge fans of mine (I have a couple friends usually - one this year). And usually the better player they are the worse they are to me. And generally I can be friends with Jocks because I can be a Jock. I play varsity tennis, and I'm intense and competitive. I watch tennis like none other.

Every once in awhile I'll feel like a nerd playing tennis or a jock studying chemistry but not that often. Only when I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my schedule. I'll feel nerdier on the tennis court and more jockish in class cause I actually have to deal with practices and stuff.

Usually the Geeks and Nerds I'm around are introverted but it seems that introverts talk with each other the more they're around themselves. And I've usually found that once we both break out of our shell that Geeks and Nerds are really dependable, nice people.

I don't think Geeks are nice because they have to be. They don't have all that social pressure on them to be with the right group of friends, to fit into mainstream society (well at least they don't care to fit into mainstream society - they usually know they're different). Whereas most mainstream people have to make sure they are socially acceptable. And that they fit in. This can get to be kind of a competition. Geeks and Nerds don't have to worry about drama and shit (well unless it's more lab-related gossip or something). Are you going to hear a geek crying about how someone tried to steal their boyfriend? Who's going out with who in their group? (I mean we all know how often geeks get g/fs or b/fs). No. They don't have mainstream drama to deal with. I think if geeks really wanted to they could be really mean. Especially if they don't give a shit what people think of them. They just choose not to.

And this isn't saying All Geeks are Great People. It's just from my experience. And sure they're ordinary people. They're human.

I used to hang out with the mainstream type people in high school. I was kind of on the outside of their groups. Usually had too much tennis. And being introverted never helped. But I was able to fit in because I appeared mainstream. I didn't dress geeky or anything.

Now I hang out more with the geeks (who else am I going to hang out with if I live half my life in the Science Quad?). I prefer it so much more this way. I don't have to deal with drama of any kind. It's great. Well the only kind of drama we have is with the pre-meds. They're more mainstream than the rest of us and there are a lot of them. But I know one pre-med who's a good friend of mine and straight chem major. There are some other chem majors that are good friends of mine too that aren't pre-med, but they don't hang out with the other pre-meds so they don't deal with that drama either. It's fantastic, really. And my geeky friends are very supportive
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Oh and GOD you noticed the difference between Geeks and Nerds. Nerds are naturally intelligent - Geeks want to be nerds. Geeks aren't often the most naturally intelligent but they'll work to try to be a Nerd. They share some characteristics but that's often what the difference is said to be....however I interchange the words quite often...

**GOD** · 10-26-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by thegnat

I have perspectives on both these types since I hang about about half my time with jocks and half my time with geeks/nerds.

Do you *really* think all Jocks are great people? * Do you *really* think they're all that nice? * In my personal experience Geeks are far nicer than Jocks. *

Now when I hang out with Jocks - I, myself am very "Jock-ish". *So it's not because I'm a nerd that they socially exclude me or anything. * This may sound really egotistical but I think the reason some jocks haven't liked me is because I'm better than they are at their sport. *One person hated me because I kept beating her and beating her and beating her each time we played. She thought she was better. *Ugh that got really ugly. *Thank goodness she moved.
However I also do my own thing. *I don't fall for getting into drama and shit. *I also have to do a lot more work than the rest of the team and they don't understand how much I really have to do. *I don't think that makes me too well liked sometimes. *
I think this also has to do with the competitive nature of jocks. *

This isn't to say Jocks aren't nice. I've met some nice ones in other sports, the men's tennis team has been nice to me (as I'm nice to them - the other girls aren't nice to them so they don't get as much respect back).

So generally the girls on the team aren't huge fans of mine (I have a couple friends usually - one this year). *And usually the better player they are the worse they are to me. *And generally I can be friends with Jocks because I can be a Jock. *I play varsity tennis, and I'm intense and competitive. *I watch tennis like none other.

Every once in awhile I'll feel like a nerd playing tennis or a jock studying chemistry but not that often. Only when I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my schedule. *I'll feel nerdier on the tennis court and more jockish in class cause I actually have to deal with practices and stuff.

Usually the Geeks and Nerds I'm around are introverted but it seems that introverts talk with each other the more they're around themselves. *And I've usually found that once we both break out of our shell that Geeks and Nerds are really dependable, nice people.

I don't think Geeks are nice because they have to be. They don't have all that social pressure on them to be with the right group of friends, to fit into mainstream society (well at least they don't care to fit into mainstream society - they usually know they're different). *Whereas most mainstream people have to make sure they are socially acceptable. *And that they fit in. *This can get to be kind of a competition. Geeks and Nerds don't have to worry about drama and shit (well unless it's more lab-related gossip or something). *Are you going to hear a geek crying about how someone tried to steal their boyfriend? Who's going out with who in their group? (I mean we all know how often geeks get g/fs or b/fs). *No. They don't have mainstream drama to deal with. *I think if geeks really wanted to they could be really mean. *Especially if they don't give a shit what people think of them. *They just choose not to. *

And this isn't saying All Geeks are Great People. *It's just from my experience. *And sure they're ordinary people. *They're human. *

I used to hang out with the mainstream type people in high school. *I was kind of on the outside of their groups. Usually had too much tennis. And being introverted never helped. *But I was able to fit in because I appeared mainstream. *I didn't dress geeky or anything. *

Now I hang out more with the geeks (who else am I going to hang out with if I live half my life in the Science Quad?). *I prefer it so much more this way. *I don't have to deal with drama of any kind. *It's great. *Well the only kind of drama we have is with the pre-meds. *They're more mainstream than the rest of us and there are a lot of them. *But I know one pre-med who's a good friend of mine and straight chem major. *There are some other chem majors that are good friends of mine too that aren't pre-med, but they don't hang out with the other pre-meds so they don't deal with that drama either. *It's fantastic, really. *And my geeky friends are very supportive
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Oh and GOD you noticed the difference between Geeks and Nerds. *Nerds are naturally intelligent - Geeks want to be nerds. *Geeks aren't often the most naturally intelligent but they'll work to try to be a Nerd. *They share some characteristics but that's often what the difference is said to be....however I interchange the words quite often...

Hmmm...

The question is whether Geeks are naturally nice (Above social norms) or whether they are forced into it to compensate for social skills or some other attribute. It isn't about whether Jocks are nice people or not. (Invariably they are not because they are being so damned competitive amongst themselves to score the most eligible woman around).

The terminology used for Geeks encompasses Nerds. (I didn't think it was necessary to get into urban slang definitions).

So, yes, Geeks are nicer than Jocks, that’s generally obvious... I noticed that. But I did wonder whether it was due to them HAVING TO BE.

You have implied that Jocks aren't as nice because they are more competitive than Geeks are amongst themselves? Or is because Geeks are competitive on something that is less sexual in nature and doesn't bring emotions into play?

So, the conclusion is that Geeks are nicer because they have less sexual drive?

**bucolic_** · 10-26-2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by thegnat

I have perspectives on both these types since I hang about about half my time with jocks and half my time with geeks/nerds.

Do you *really* think all Jocks are great people? Do you *really* think they're all that nice? In my personal experience Geeks are far nicer than Jocks.

Now when I hang out with Jocks - I, myself am very "Jock-ish". So it's not because I'm a nerd that they socially exclude me or anything. This may sound really egotistical but I think the reason some jocks haven't liked me is because I'm better than they are at their sport. One person hated me because I kept beating her and beating her and beating her each time we played. She thought she was better. Ugh that got really ugly. Thank goodness she moved.
However I also do my own thing. I don't fall for getting into drama and shit. I also have to do a lot more work than the rest of the team and they don't understand how much I really have to do. I don't think that makes me too well liked sometimes.
I think this also has to do with the competitive nature of jocks.

This isn't to say Jocks aren't nice. I've met some nice ones in other sports, the men's tennis team has been nice to me (as I'm nice to them - the other girls aren't nice to them so they don't get as much respect back).

So generally the girls on the team aren't huge fans of mine (I have a couple friends usually - one this year). And usually the better player they are the worse they are to me. And generally I can be friends with Jocks because I can be a Jock. I play varsity tennis, and I'm intense and competitive. I watch tennis like none other.

Every once in awhile I'll feel like a nerd playing tennis or a jock studying chemistry but not that often. Only when I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my schedule. I'll feel nerdier on the tennis court and more jockish in class cause I actually have to deal with practices and stuff.

Usually the Geeks and Nerds I'm around are introverted but it seems that introverts talk with each other the more they're around themselves. And I've usually found that once we both break out of our shell that Geeks and Nerds are really dependable, nice people.

I don't think Geeks are nice because they have to be. They don't have all that social pressure on them to be with the right group of friends, to fit into mainstream society (well at least they don't care to fit into mainstream society - they usually know they're different). Whereas most mainstream people have to make sure they are socially acceptable. And that they fit in. This can get to be kind of a competition. Geeks and Nerds don't have to worry about drama and shit (well unless it's more lab-related gossip or something). Are you going to hear a geek crying about how someone tried to steal their boyfriend? Who's going out with who in their group? (I mean we all know how often geeks get g/fs or b/fs). No. They don't have mainstream drama to deal with. I think if geeks really wanted to they could be really mean. Especially if they don't give a shit what people think of them. They just choose not to.

And this isn't saying All Geeks are Great People. It's just from my experience. And sure they're ordinary people. They're human.

I used to hang out with the mainstream type people in high school. I was kind of on the outside of their groups. Usually had too much tennis. And being introverted never helped. But I was able to fit in because I appeared mainstream. I didn't dress geeky or anything.

Now I hang out more with the geeks (who else am I going to hang out with if I live half my life in the Science Quad?). I prefer it so much more this way. I don't have to deal with drama of any kind. It's great. Well the only kind of drama we have is with the pre-meds. They're more mainstream than the rest of us and there are a lot of them. But I know one pre-med who's a good friend of mine and straight chem major. There are some other chem majors that are good friends of mine too that aren't pre-med, but they don't hang out with the other pre-meds so they don't deal with that drama either. It's fantastic, really. And my geeky friends are very supportive
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Oh and GOD you noticed the difference between Geeks and Nerds. Nerds are naturally intelligent - Geeks want to be nerds. Geeks aren't often the most naturally intelligent but they'll work to try to be a Nerd. They share some characteristics but that's often what the difference is said to be....however I interchange the words quite often...

I remember being a "nerdy jock" in middleschool. I was a bona fide nerd, and was pretty much at the bottom of the social structure, you know how it goes, but I was athletic, and more athletic than many of the jocks, and I remember getting into or nearly getting into fights on more than one occasion, because the jocks would get upset that I was owning them at some game/sport. Similar experiences in highschool, but not nearly as pronounced, and I never got into fights over it..

Middle school was crazy, because nowhere else is the nerd/jock distinction more clear. I remember one time this kid I knew was def. a nerd, and some jock threw a soda can at him, and the nerd headlocked him and pretty much... smashed his face in. I remember the jock walked all the way across the school yard with blood streaming down his face, crying his eyes out.

**bucolic_** · 10-26-2007, 03:05 PM

And in response to the original question...I've found nerds to be either really nice or often, the complete opposite. I'm a computer science major, and most computer people I know are either really nice, or tend to be on the mean side. Tends to be little middle ground for whatever reason...

**thegnat** · 10-26-2007, 03:55 PM

well -

i don't know what i really implied honestly.

i'm sorry for not being more clear on my point.

those were mainly my observations *with my particular groups, at my college* It could be completely different otherwise.

To make up for lack of social skills? I have no idea. It was pounded into me to be nice. Thus it has become ingrained in my brain to be nice. *shrugs*

less sexual drive? where the heck did you get that out of my post?

Again I have no idea why - I don't think we really could unless we talked to 1,000,000 geeks and asked them all why they're nice and to see what the most common answer is. And even they might not know. I'm not sure this is conclusive. I think it's different for different people.

**HarleyQuinn** · 10-26-2007, 04:09 PM

Like thegnat, I was able to fit into both the jock circle and geek circle pretty easily (although I wasn't a true jock but I made friends with a lot of them 'cause I am really athletic). In high school, I was able to slide into any group from jock to goth to geek without much hassle which was cool. College has been pretty much the same... although we have like zero goth culture to speak of, which kinda sucks.

In my experience, most of the jocks were nice outside of a handful who were straight up dicks (and seemed to attract the girls too for whatever reason) whereas the geeks/goths were the introverted, nice loners. Most of them seemed genuinely nice although I saw a few of my goth friends turn nasty after a month of teasing from this one jock who I always hated. They tended to snipe at anybody they didn't like after that.

**Nomad** · 10-26-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by GOD

Originally Posted by OneBadMother

I think that the ones perceived as nice are like most "nice" people. Either genuinely nice and not too begrudging about it, or "nice" and incredibly resentful about it.

I knew a guy once from another forum who was a "nice guy". He was very outgoing, apparently the kind of ordinary stuck in friends zone guy who ordinary women would cry at. He used to complain about how he hadn't had any sex. Then he had the opportunity with this girl who was apparently extremely emotionally unstable, and he did, despite clearly knowing that and knowing that she would expect more. I'm not saying that all "nice guy" geeks are like this, but I'm willing to bet a nice proportion of them are. They're incredibly ordinary people.

Well, I'll contribute my 2c worth...

Basically it revolves around the statement "Why are attractive women bitches?... because they can be."

Thats it... many people are the way they are because society allows them to transgress to what they would like to be most (generally as selfish as possible). Obviously there are people that project what they believe and act the way they desire to be.... But many people don't think...so they become whatever expectations are reflected on them...

He. long ago in my youth, I was a social outcast in school. Good grades, typical INTJ personality, none of it helped. I was a geek. Then I joined the wrestling team in my junior year, went undefeated right to the state championship my first year. JV to varsity in two matches. I then attracted the attention of the most physically attractive girl in school, head cheerleader, homecoming queen, etc. Like flipping a switch, zero to hero. One day in the lunchroom she just walked up and sat in my lap. I dumped her off my lap onto the floor and I told her to not treat people like furniture. Twenty years later at the reunion, people asked about the coolest guy in school, who dumped that bitch on her ass and got away with it. I saw no point in going back, but I did find out I was far better liked than I had thought. People are weird.

-Nomad

**ShaiGar** · 10-26-2007, 09:49 PM

I am a geek I believe that I am quite a nice guy. This is due to my upbringing and my superiority complex. I am also extremely nasty, this occurs when my stress levels overwhelm me and I lash out. I used to be a complete arsehole, and that was a part of my sexual strategy, to be like all the other pricks who were picking up. Then I decided that the type of women who go for those men are fucked in the head and I wouldnt want to be with one anyway. Confidence and 19th Century English Gentlemen-type politeness seemed to be for the win.

I believe in three quotes.

Any man can face adversity, a true test of character is how one treats his inferiors.
Only angels or demons are either pure evil or pure good, humans change with each action.
I am an INTP, fucking intelligent, no scratch that, extremely Brilliant, Calm, Reasonable, Perceptive, Intuitive, Introverted, Emotionally Detached from the world and all of you 'tards, and did I mention Brilliant? Yeah that's right I did, but since I am more intelligent than anyone else on this planet, it gets a fourth mention. Brilliant.

Because I consider most people inferior to me I am considerably nicer to them than I am to INTP/J's who I feel free to get shitty with at any time. Also, Geeks are not unintelligent unsocials(I have an IQ range of 129-132 depending on my mood when i take the offline monitored tests.), that would be dorks.

**OneBadMother** · 10-26-2007, 10:32 PM

Of course, it depends on your definition. The one I go by is that pure geeks know a lot of facts, pure dorks are the equivalent of "losers", and pure nerds are simply very shrewd, though they might not know everything there is about a topic. Most people are a bit of all of those, but it's a fairly subjective sort of definition. I was thinking for geeks the people of ordinary understanding who happen to be good at memorization.

**ShaiGar** · 10-27-2007, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by OneBadMother

Of course, it depends on your definition. The one I go by is that pure geeks know a lot of facts, pure dorks are the equivalent of "losers", and pure nerds are simply very shrewd, though they might not know everything there is about a topic. Most people are a bit of all of those, but it's a fairly subjective sort of definition. I was thinking for geeks the people of ordinary understanding who happen to be good at memorization.

I suck at memorisation. I'm probably just an ADD Nerd, but the word geek is more aesthetically pleasing.

**GOD** · 10-27-2007, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Nomad

He. long ago in my youth, I was a social outcast in school. Good grades, typical INTJ personality, none of it helped. I was a geek. Then I joined the wrestling team in my junior year, went undefeated right to the state championship my first year. JV to varsity in two matches. I then attracted the attention of the most physically attractive girl in school, head cheerleader, homecoming queen, etc. Like flipping a switch, zero to hero. One day in the lunchroom she just walked up and sat in my lap. I dumped her off my lap onto the floor and I told her to not treat people like furniture. Twenty years later at the reunion, people asked about the coolest guy in school, who dumped that bitch on her ass and got away with it. *I saw no point in going back, but I did find out I was far better liked than I had thought. People are weird.

-Nomad

Yeah, I can relate to this. I can see the psych profile of the head cheerleader, basically her favor shifts to whoever is the flavor of the day.

Unless she was a "b*tch" then you probably shouldn't probably have been so harsh on her, she might have only gained her position through her looks etc, she was just being the person that was projected on her by everyone else. Only you know on that one. Still though, ever thought about how it would have been to go along?

Lol... when I was 16 our class was on Skiing trip, and this extremely hot Swedish exchange student simply came up to the back of the bus and just plonked herself on me and my lap and promptly tried to get some sleep....WFT!! Like yourself I eventually rolled her off and continued talking complete cr*p with my mates which was far more interesting.... :P In hindsight she probably was slightly interested in me... Funny thing, jealousy in your youth... hot girl then prompts a couple of other girls to show interest... it’s like a competitive match..... Of which is a waste of time on an INTJ youth.

You might have been far more liked at school than you realize. People respect others with standards... but the "I's" aren't out there saying what a good guy you are... until they are adult enough to freely talk about compliments.

*

**GOD** · 10-27-2007, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by ShaiGar

I am a geek I believe that I am quite a nice guy. This is due to my upbringing and my superiority complex. I am also extremely nasty, this occurs when my stress levels overwhelm me and I lash out. I used to be a complete arsehole, and that was a part of my sexual strategy, to be like all the other pricks who were picking up. Then I decided that the type of women who go for those men are fucked in the head and I wouldnt want to be with one anyway. Confidence and 19th Century English Gentlemen-type politeness seemed to be for the win.

I believe in three quotes.
Any man can face adversity, a true test of character is how one treats his inferiors.

Only angels or demons are either pure evil or pure good, humans change with each action.

I am an INTP, fucking intelligent, no scratch that, extremely Brilliant, Calm, Reasonable, Perceptive, Intuitive, Introverted, Emotionally Detached from the world and all of you 'tards, and did I mention Brilliant? Yeah that's right I did, but since I am more intelligent than anyone else on this planet, it gets a fourth mention. Brilliant.

Because I consider most people inferior to me I am considerably nicer to them than I am to INTP/J's who I feel free to get shitty with at any time. Also, Geeks are not unintelligent unsocials(I have an IQ range of 129-132 depending on my mood when i take the offline monitored tests.), that would be dorks.

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Hmmm... Seems that this thread is a bit contentious.

I can't work out exactly whether this is a trolling thread or your real views...

The vast majority of people are in fact very nice, however many act in a way that is a function of their emotions. Many flex their attitude to suit the circumstance because they like the path of least resistance...i.e. lazy.

In terms of arguing with INTJ/P's good... the best way to toughen up in the world and understand anyone’s weaknesses is just to test yourself and everyone from every angle. Generally J's are tough and above simple snipes...

Lastly, if you follow your strategy then it is doomed to failure, negativty will inhibit you outlook and enjoyment. Only positive things can stand the test of time and be worthy of living with.

**GOD** · 10-27-2007, 02:18 AM

	Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn
	In my experience, most of the jocks were nice outside of a handful who were straight up dicks (and seemed to attract the girls too for whatever reason)

That pretty much is the saying "treat em mean keep em keen".

I think it’s a power thing, and coupled with a competitive thing. And somewhere in there is this "availability" aspect which decreases someone’s eligibility to "some" people.

I think of people like animals on the African savanna... pretty much the same mating rituals come into play.. The only difference is that as people get older everyone gets a bit less raw and the new leaders are the Geeks who are becoming the bosses of all the jocks...

**ShaiGar** · 10-27-2007, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by GOD

Originally Posted by ShaiGar

I am a geek I believe that I am quite a nice guy. This is due to my upbringing and my superiority complex. I am also extremely nasty, this occurs when my stress levels overwhelm me and I lash out. I used to be a complete arsehole, and that was a part of my sexual strategy, to be like all the other pricks who were picking up. Then I decided that the type of women who go for those men are fucked in the head and I wouldnt want to be with one anyway. Confidence and 19th Century English Gentlemen-type politeness seemed to be for the win.

I believe in three quotes.
Any man can face adversity, a true test of character is how one treats his inferiors.

Only angels or demons are either pure evil or pure good, humans change with each action.

I am an INTP, fucking intelligent, no scratch that, extremely Brilliant, Calm, Reasonable, Perceptive, Intuitive, Introverted, Emotionally Detached from the world and all of you 'tards, and did I mention Brilliant? Yeah that's right I did, but since I am more intelligent than anyone else on this planet, it gets a fourth mention. Brilliant.

Because I consider most people inferior to me I am considerably nicer to them than I am to INTP/J's who I feel free to get shitty with at any time. Also, Geeks are not unintelligent unsocials(I have an IQ range of 129-132 depending on my mood when i take the offline monitored tests.), that would be dorks.

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Hmmm... Seems that this thread is a bit contentious.
I can't work out exactly whether this is a trolling thread or your real views...

The vast majority of people are in fact very nice, however many act in a way that is a function of their emotions. Many flex their attitude to suit the circumstance because they like the path of least resistance...i.e. lazy.
In terms of arguing with INTJ/P's good... the best way to toughen up in the world and understand anyone’s weaknesses is just to test yourself and everyone from every angle. Generally J's are tough and above simple snipes...
Lastly, if you follow your strategy then it is doomed to failure, negativty will inhibit you outlook and enjoyment. Only positive things can stand the test of time and be worthy of living with.

My strategy has not failed me, because I do not have a negative outlook.

**Ijz** · 10-27-2007, 07:35 AM

I believe there is a whole bunch of reasons why people are "nice" but only a few which makes them "mean". The primary reason for people being mean is their ego. I would say that jocks generally have more of that than nerds/geeks. Also jocks will probably express it more than nerds who are more likely to keep it to themselves.

As for reasons why people are nice I have to agree with Rwyatt. Also the occasional need for socializing can be a compelling reason.

-- If I smile at the lady in the supermarket and she returns the smile, I feel good
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**ShaiGar** · 10-27-2007, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by IjzerenHein

I believe there is a whole bunch of reasons why people are "nice" but only a few which makes them "mean". The primary reason for people being mean is their ego. I would say that jocks generally have more of that than nerds/geeks. Also jocks will probably express it more than nerds who are more likely to keep it to themselves.

As for reasons why people are nice I have to agree with Rwyatt. Also the occasional need for socializing can be a compelling reason.

-- If I smile at the lady in the supermarket and she returns the smile, I feel good
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especially if you noticing her smile a lot more as well, striking up a conversation with someone behind the counter who isnt having a huge rush is always welcome and makes them feel a lot better about their day. it's the little things that make people a nice guy/girl, if the effect is good, they are good.

**thegnat** · 10-27-2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by IjzerenHein

I believe there is a whole bunch of reasons why people are "nice" but only a few which makes them "mean". The primary reason for people being mean is their ego. I would say that jocks generally have more of that than nerds/geeks. Also jocks will probably express it more than nerds who are more likely to keep it to themselves.

As for reasons why people are nice I have to agree with Rwyatt. Also the occasional need for socializing can be a compelling reason.

-- If I smile at the lady in the supermarket and she returns the smile, I feel good
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I think you nailed it.

That's what I've always disliked about tennis. It's what has made me burn out a few times. Yet I've still continued playing so I grow to like it, burn out towards the end of the season, take a break, come back to it and so on...
The egos can be disgustingly huge.
Unfortunately 99% of tennis players have one and you kinda have to have one to be competitive so you don't get offended by gamesmanship. You'll think you're above it and thus can do better. I used to have serious problems with that. I don't express an ego off court though. If it seems like I do, I'm probably just joking and it's probably not my real opinion.

Yeah there's the "On court and off court personalities can be so different" saying. But still. From what I've met the people who are b**ches on court are b**ches off court. They might not be "mean" off court *to* you, but they're the type that will gossip and stuff behind your back most likely. And really your on court personality comes from you. So you really can't be *that* different off court.

10-26-2007, 01:20 PM	#1
GOD Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 359	Ok, All my life I've lived a "bipolar" relationship with two distinctive groups of people. 1) The intelligent Geeks & 2) The Outgoing Sports "Jocks" (as you call them in the US?). (Which is a combination of being both an INTJ and being an 8). One thing I used to notice is that often the intelligent geeks were just really "intelligent" based on the fact that they were socially excluded rather than being naturally intelligent, but the most noticeable fact is that they were dependable and "nice". Now the question I pose is whether "Geeks" are nice people because they "have" to be (to get along) or whether they naturally are. So? Are Geeks nice or do they have to be? :P Let the battle commence.... 8-)
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10-26-2007, 01:29 PM	#2
OneBadMother Member [15%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 639	I think that the ones perceived as nice are like most "nice" people. Either genuinely nice and not too begrudging about it, or "nice" and incredibly resentful about it. I knew a guy once from another forum who was a "nice guy". He was very outgoing, apparently the kind of ordinary stuck in friends zone guy who ordinary women would cry at. He used to complain about how he hadn't had any sex. Then he had the opportunity with this girl who was apparently extremely emotionally unstable, and he did, despite clearly knowing that and knowing that she would expect more. I'm not saying that all "nice guy" geeks are like this, but I'm willing to bet a nice proportion of them are. They're incredibly ordinary people.
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10-26-2007, 02:03 PM	#5
OneBadMother Member [15%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 639	Hmm, I'm not sure about that, though. He didn't seem exceptionally intelligent, just a geek (liked collecting things and had encyclopedic knowledge of video game stuff). Also, when I called him out on his behavior he reverted to "nice guy" mode, attempting to pacify me with his justification.
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10-26-2007, 02:16 PM	#7
orange Member [03%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 120	some geeks are just down right mean... most (me for example) are nice, untill they get board then they get mean just cause it's funny.
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10-26-2007, 02:38 PM	#9
thegnat Member [25%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,024	I have perspectives on both these types since I hang about about half my time with jocks and half my time with geeks/nerds. Do you really think all Jocks are great people? Do you really think they're all that nice? In my personal experience Geeks are far nicer than Jocks. Now when I hang out with Jocks - I, myself am very "Jock-ish". So it's not because I'm a nerd that they socially exclude me or anything. This may sound really egotistical but I think the reason some jocks haven't liked me is because I'm better than they are at their sport. One person hated me because I kept beating her and beating her and beating her each time we played. She thought she was better. Ugh that got really ugly. Thank goodness she moved. However I also do my own thing. I don't fall for getting into drama and shit. I also have to do a lot more work than the rest of the team and they don't understand how much I really have to do. I don't think that makes me too well liked sometimes. I think this also has to do with the competitive nature of jocks. This isn't to say Jocks aren't nice. I've met some nice ones in other sports, the men's tennis team has been nice to me (as I'm nice to them - the other girls aren't nice to them so they don't get as much respect back). So generally the girls on the team aren't huge fans of mine (I have a couple friends usually - one this year). And usually the better player they are the worse they are to me. And generally I can be friends with Jocks because I can be a Jock. I play varsity tennis, and I'm intense and competitive. I watch tennis like none other. Every once in awhile I'll feel like a nerd playing tennis or a jock studying chemistry but not that often. Only when I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my schedule. I'll feel nerdier on the tennis court and more jockish in class cause I actually have to deal with practices and stuff. Usually the Geeks and Nerds I'm around are introverted but it seems that introverts talk with each other the more they're around themselves. And I've usually found that once we both break out of our shell that Geeks and Nerds are really dependable, nice people. I don't think Geeks are nice because they have to be. They don't have all that social pressure on them to be with the right group of friends, to fit into mainstream society (well at least they don't care to fit into mainstream society - they usually know they're different). Whereas most mainstream people have to make sure they are socially acceptable. And that they fit in. This can get to be kind of a competition. Geeks and Nerds don't have to worry about drama and shit (well unless it's more lab-related gossip or something). Are you going to hear a geek crying about how someone tried to steal their boyfriend? Who's going out with who in their group? (I mean we all know how often geeks get g/fs or b/fs). No. They don't have mainstream drama to deal with. I think if geeks really wanted to they could be really mean. Especially if they don't give a shit what people think of them. They just choose not to. And this isn't saying All Geeks are Great People. It's just from my experience. And sure they're ordinary people. They're human. I used to hang out with the mainstream type people in high school. I was kind of on the outside of their groups. Usually had too much tennis. And being introverted never helped. But I was able to fit in because I appeared mainstream. I didn't dress geeky or anything. Now I hang out more with the geeks (who else am I going to hang out with if I live half my life in the Science Quad?). I prefer it so much more this way. I don't have to deal with drama of any kind. It's great. Well the only kind of drama we have is with the pre-meds. They're more mainstream than the rest of us and there are a lot of them. But I know one pre-med who's a good friend of mine and straight chem major. There are some other chem majors that are good friends of mine too that aren't pre-med, but they don't hang out with the other pre-meds so they don't deal with that drama either. It's fantastic, really. And my geeky friends are very supportive To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Oh and GOD you noticed the difference between Geeks and Nerds. Nerds are naturally intelligent - Geeks want to be nerds. Geeks aren't often the most naturally intelligent but they'll work to try to be a Nerd. They share some characteristics but that's often what the difference is said to be....however I interchange the words quite often...
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10-26-2007, 03:05 PM	#12
bucolic_ Member [11%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 479	And in response to the original question...I've found nerds to be either really nice or often, the complete opposite. I'm a computer science major, and most computer people I know are either really nice, or tend to be on the mean side. Tends to be little middle ground for whatever reason...
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10-26-2007, 03:55 PM	#13
thegnat Member [25%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,024	well - i don't know what i really implied honestly. i'm sorry for not being more clear on my point. those were mainly my observations with my particular groups, at my college It could be completely different otherwise. To make up for lack of social skills? I have no idea. It was pounded into me to be nice. Thus it has become ingrained in my brain to be nice. shrugs less sexual drive? where the heck did you get that out of my post? Again I have no idea why - I don't think we really could unless we talked to 1,000,000 geeks and asked them all why they're nice and to see what the most common answer is. And even they might not know. I'm not sure this is conclusive. I think it's different for different people.
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10-26-2007, 04:09 PM	#14
HarleyQuinn Member [08%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 334	Like thegnat, I was able to fit into both the jock circle and geek circle pretty easily (although I wasn't a true jock but I made friends with a lot of them 'cause I am really athletic). In high school, I was able to slide into any group from jock to goth to geek without much hassle which was cool. College has been pretty much the same... although we have like zero goth culture to speak of, which kinda sucks. In my experience, most of the jocks were nice outside of a handful who were straight up dicks (and seemed to attract the girls too for whatever reason) whereas the geeks/goths were the introverted, nice loners. Most of them seemed genuinely nice although I saw a few of my goth friends turn nasty after a month of teasing from this one jock who I always hated. They tended to snipe at anybody they didn't like after that.
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10-26-2007, 09:49 PM	#16
ShaiGar Banned MBTI: ENTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,487	I am a geek I believe that I am quite a nice guy. This is due to my upbringing and my superiority complex. I am also extremely nasty, this occurs when my stress levels overwhelm me and I lash out. I used to be a complete arsehole, and that was a part of my sexual strategy, to be like all the other pricks who were picking up. Then I decided that the type of women who go for those men are fucked in the head and I wouldnt want to be with one anyway. Confidence and 19th Century English Gentlemen-type politeness seemed to be for the win. I believe in three quotes. Any man can face adversity, a true test of character is how one treats his inferiors. Only angels or demons are either pure evil or pure good, humans change with each action. I am an INTP, fucking intelligent, no scratch that, extremely Brilliant, Calm, Reasonable, Perceptive, Intuitive, Introverted, Emotionally Detached from the world and all of you 'tards, and did I mention Brilliant? Yeah that's right I did, but since I am more intelligent than anyone else on this planet, it gets a fourth mention. Brilliant. Because I consider most people inferior to me I am considerably nicer to them than I am to INTP/J's who I feel free to get shitty with at any time. Also, Geeks are not unintelligent unsocials(I have an IQ range of 129-132 depending on my mood when i take the offline monitored tests.), that would be dorks.
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10-26-2007, 10:32 PM	#17
OneBadMother Member [15%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 639	Of course, it depends on your definition. The one I go by is that pure geeks know a lot of facts, pure dorks are the equivalent of "losers", and pure nerds are simply very shrewd, though they might not know everything there is about a topic. Most people are a bit of all of those, but it's a fairly subjective sort of definition. I was thinking for geeks the people of ordinary understanding who happen to be good at memorization.
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10-27-2007, 07:35 AM	#23
Ijz Member [14%] MBTI: ISTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 579	I believe there is a whole bunch of reasons why people are "nice" but only a few which makes them "mean". The primary reason for people being mean is their ego. I would say that jocks generally have more of that than nerds/geeks. Also jocks will probably express it more than nerds who are more likely to keep it to themselves. As for reasons why people are nice I have to agree with Rwyatt. Also the occasional need for socializing can be a compelling reason. -- If I smile at the lady in the supermarket and she returns the smile, I feel good To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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