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Old 07-02-2010, 11:24 PM   #1
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Where do the other 4 functions go? Is it "normal" [i.e just as likely] that the inferior will beat it's reverse in attitude while aligning?

For instance, an INTJ:

Ni ... > Fe > Fi > ... > Se

Or must the preferred function in the top 4 always be ahead of it's reverse in attitude?

Thus:

Ni ... > Fi > ... > Fe ... > Se

[Variance can occur. Someone challenged my knowledge and stated that it is unnatural for this variance to occur.]

I think only the dominant is really and truly set in stone, compared to the other's placement.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:37 PM   #2
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Variance can occur, it's just not the "normal" ordering... and if it hasn't been purged from chat yet you can go scroll up and see that that's what i said
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Extraverts have Xe first and Xi second
Introverts have Xi first and Xe second
Judgers have [deciding function] extraverted and [information gathering function] introverted
Perceivers have [information gathering function] extraverted and [deciding function] introverted

After accounting for I/E and J/P you have your dominant and auxiliary functions. Then you just mirror them in function and attitude. For INTJs, Extraverted Thinking auxiliary points to Introverted Feeling tertiary, followed by Extraverted Sensing to mirror the dominant Introverted iNtuition.

So "normal" INTJ function order is Ni > Te > Fi > Se

This also means that INTJ prefers
Ni over Ne
Te over Ti
Fi over Fe
Se over Si

You can have variance, but usually it doesn't interfere with those preferences. If it does then you end up with a funky, non-standard INTJ. In my case, i think i have Ni > Te > Fi > Ne > Se > Ti > Fe > Si. My higher Ne position is why sometimes i test as INTP and why i mark myself as INTj on the forums here. If, say, my Ti was higher than my Te, then i would have had a harder time typing myself, because my order of functions would create behavior that was somewhere between the standard types.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:44 PM   #3
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  Originally Posted by JTG
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This also means that INTJ prefers
Ni over Ne [Check, but only because Ni is dominant.]
Te over Ti [Disagree.]
Fi over Fe [Disagree]
Se over Si [Disagree.]

I don't think that's really normal. Fe over Fi is just as likely as Fi over Fe.

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Old 07-02-2010, 11:54 PM   #4
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If you have a person who prefers Ni, Ti, Fe, and Si then that doesn't sound much like any INTJ i've seen. That person at the very least would have a hard time figuring out their type. I would probably type that person as an INTP who had their Ni/Ne out of standard order.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:04 AM   #5
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On Se over Si.

Se is INTJ's inferior, thereby it'd be last all together. Thus, it'd be Ni > the rest > Se.

So Si must always be > Se.
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And it's not to say their Te or Fi sucks, it's that the other is stronger.

Thus, you have Ni, Ti, Te... INTJs.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:05 AM   #6
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How far does this variance extend? Can an INTJ be Ne Fi Te Si?
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:37 AM   #7
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Se is INTJ's inferior, thereby it'd be last all together. Thus, it'd be Ni > the rest > Se.

So Si must always be > Se.

Dominant > Auxiliary > Tertiary > Inferior > Shadow functions

Inferior means fourth function, not last. Perhaps that's where our miscommunication was coming from earlier, haha

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How far does this variance extend? Can an INTJ be Ne Fi Te Si?

That's kinda what i'm getting at. If your entire functional landscape is different, then you're a different type. If only one function is the same, and all the rest are different, then you should rethink your type. Variations do happen, but the whole thinking behind the function theory is that people tend to compensate to retain balance. If they interact with the outside world through Thinking, then Feeling gets pulled inside to guide moral decisions. If Sensing is how they gather information from the outside, then iNtuition is how they weigh things internally.

It's not always the case, since somebody could be so comfortable with Thinking that their Te and Ti come before either of their F functions. Still, the F functions are there and will perform as they perform when they are needed.

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