[GOD]

I would be interested to hear from women INTJ's as to whether they have a greater degree of male siblings in their families.

(It’s just that I believe its going to be more prevalent in families that genetically have a higher predisposition to male children).

One interesting observation I made once, is that of the 20 chief executives from the biggest listed companies that approximately 2/3rds of their children were FEMALE. (I used to read stories about how people achieve corporate success). It’s my belief that the Chief Exec position is more touchy feely and those males with greater EQ are more likely to have daughters.

[Jezebel]

	Originally Posted by Veneti
	I would be interested to hear from women INTJ's as to whether they have a greater degree of male siblings in their families.

I'm an only child.

[GOD]

	Originally Posted by Jezebel
	Originally Posted by Veneti I would be interested to hear from women INTJ's as to whether they have a greater degree of male siblings in their families. I'm an only child.

Any talk in the family about generally having boys? especially on your fathers side...

[fripping]

my intj g/f is also an only child. by registering here, i hope to understand her better. ain't that sweet.

[Jezebel]

	Originally Posted by Veneti
	Any talk in the family about generally having boys? especially on your fathers side...

For current generations (I'd have to look it up to go back further) it has been like this:

my father's family (grandparent's children) - 3 boys, 1 girl
1st generation cousins - 5 girls, 1 boy
2nd generation cousins - 8 girls, 6 boys

Actually, I wasn't sure if you meant environmental factors or genetic. If genetic, I do have a half brother and half sister on my mother's side. However, I have never lived with them or had much contact. I don't know what the rest of the family is like on my mother's side.

[thegnat]

I'm an only.
With probably about equal amounts of women and men in the family. As of now women are more prevalent (it really was exactly equal with women and men on that side, actually on both sides).

Although my grandpa's horses always had boys until only one time
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[GOD]

Interesting,

I believe there is something that helps determine the likeliness of female INTJ's (And for that fact male INTJ's).

1) Either is straight forward genetic - father/mother etc are INTJ's and hence the child has greater propensity (Just like any genetic trait)
2) Follows a likelihood of having male children. Hormonal bla bla...
3) Could be first born has a greater impact. <- looks quite useful.
4) Could be just environment (Which I disagree with, I was way too INTJ just to be reflection of my environment).

[Jezebel]

I grew up as an only child with my father. My best guess for my father's type would be ISFP (he refuses to take the MBTI). I don't know any other INTJs in my family... in fact, I don't know anyone in my family I would peg as any variety of NT.

While I think personality type may be genetic (as in, we're born with it), I have serious doubts about it being hereditary based on my own experiences. Not that I'm trying to disprove your theory. Just providing data.

[thegnat]

Originally Posted by Veneti

Interesting, I believe there is something that helps determine the likeliness of female INTJ's (And for that fact male INTJ's). 1) Either is straight forward genetic - father/mother etc are INTJ's and hence the child has greater propensity (Just like any genetic trait) 2) Follows a likelihood of having male children. Hormonal bla bla... 3) Could be first born has a greater impact. <- looks quite useful. 4) Could be just environment (Which I disagree with, I was way too INTJ just to be reflection of my environment).

As for genetics - I never knew my dad well enough to say yes or no. Mom I would guess is ESFJ. Their families - perhaps. I don't know.
I don't think it's the second.
Hmm....I wouldn't know on that one. It's kind of environment-ish though isn't it?
Definitely not environment.

I'd guess genetics. Just because the others don't quite seem to fit.

[Rei]

I have a really REALLY girly, ESFJ elder sister; we're 8 years apart and we're only related maternally. My mother may be an INT... Borderline J. My dad is probably ISFJ.

On my dad's side I have... I think 3 or 4 boys, and 1 girl. (I'm not close with my paternal side. Plus my dad has 2... or was it 3? elder brothers and 2 younger sisters. I've only seen his second brother and his family within the past several years... so I've lost track of everyone else's kids)

[hr]

Paternal:
Last generation immediate family - 3(or 4) male, 2 female
This generation - 3(or 4) male, 2 female (including myself)

Maternal:
Last generation immediate family - 1 male, 2 female
This generation - 3 female (including myself)

[Bossy Mom]

I am the eldest of 9 children, with 6 brothers and 2 sisters. One of my sisters is also an INTJ and the other is an ENTJ. All of my brothers are wimps with one being an ENTJ. My dad was an ENTJ and my mom - just a Betty Crocker type of mother. I used to be an ENTJ, but time has proven to me that I'd rather just live in more solitude, so thus I have developed into an INTJ.

[Firelie]

I have one brother.

My dad has one brother and one sister.

My mom has one full brother and like 6 half brothers (her biological dad was kind of a manslut).

[deicruxified]

i am the eldest. however since my mom wants a boy to be the firstborn her parenting approach was quite different. but then it was not that difficult for her because i'm a growing intj and have always been independent.

[Elizabeth9999]

i'm not sure this has validity. intjs are more likely to be male, but i don't think this necessarily means that families with intj predispositoin are more likely to have male children. i think such families have on average the same number of male and female children, and it's just that the male children are more likely to be intjs. the female children might be more likely to be infjs, for example.

my mother has two sisters (she is one of three female children) and my father has four sisters (yes he is the only male child out of five children)

i have one sister and one brother (so there are two female children in my family out of three children total)

[mind_wander]

I don't know about both sides of my family. All I know on my father side has 5 brothers. The my mom side, has 5 sisters and 2 brothers; in addition to be one who is unrelated, but feel like family.

[Rei]

	Originally Posted by mind_wander
	I don't know about both sides of my family. All I know on my father side has 5 brothers. The my mom side, has 5 sisters and 2 brothers; in addition to be one who is unrelated, but feel like family.

OMGsh, I thought you were a guy!

[Jezebel]

	Originally Posted by Rei
	OMGsh, I thought you were a guy!

Whoa, me too.

[mind_wander]

I am a guy. lol, where did you get that conclusion. I guess as an INTJ can be manipulative. ON my mom side, has one adopted sister [unrelated- but I still treat her like family]. If that is what you were referring too. I just wanted to jumped in, lol. since everyone is talking about family. Hard to avoid.

[Jezebel]

	Originally Posted by mind_wander
	I am a guy. lol, where did you get that conclusion.

Because the thread requested feedback from INTJ women and you responded. Perhaps you could specify that you aren't part of the group the questions were directed at but you'd like to answer anyway?
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[Rei]

	Originally Posted by Jezebel
	Originally Posted by mind_wander I am a guy. lol, where did you get that conclusion. Because the thread requested feedback from INTJ women and you responded. Perhaps you could specify that you aren't part of the group the questions were directed at but you'd like to answer anyway? * To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Just perhaps...
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[Jezebel]

	Originally Posted by Rei
	Just perhaps... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My first inclination was not to phrase it as a question/request, but I'm trying to work on my 'friendly' image.
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[mind_wander]

lol, yeah some of the conversation was so tempting. Thanx, for not going off at me, not part of the group; just a friendly guy popping in. Ok, me go bye bye now. Next thread......

[Santana28]

only child.... father was probably INTJ and BPD. Not sure what my mother was... shes probably an ENFP like my husband
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[GOD]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth9999

i'm not sure this has validity. intjs are more likely to be male, but i don't think this necessarily means that families with intj predispositoin are more likely to have male children. i think such families have on average the same number of male and female children, and it's just that the male children are more likely to be intjs. the female children might be more likely to be infjs, for example. my mother has two sisters (she is one of three female children) and my father has four sisters (yes he is the only male child out of five children) i have one sister and one brother (so there are two female children in my family out of three children total)

The question is to see whether there is some correlation with the observation that Chief Exec's had a surprising number of daughters (having daughters is normally a function of genetics... I would hope lol lol...) with the genetic trait of INTJ. I believe an INTJ has a specific brain pattern (Probably the way it’s wired) and am interested to see if there’s any anecdotal evidence to back this up. *

Yes you could be right that as a pool INTJ/INFJ might have a better correlation. But this is just looking at INTJ.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Veneti

Interesting, I believe there is something that helps determine the likeliness of female INTJ's (And for that fact male INTJ's). 1) Either is straight forward genetic - father/mother etc are INTJ's and hence the child has greater propensity (Just like any genetic trait) 2) Follows a likelihood of having male children. Hormonal bla bla... 3) Could be first born has a greater impact. <- looks quite useful. 4) Could be just environment (Which I disagree with, I was way too INTJ just to be reflection of my environment).

I'd suggest that the search for causality focus on the degree of masculinity of the children, rather than the portion of children who are males.

The two main characteristics which best differentiate INTJ's from the general population are not introversion or judging (which are both fairly common) but iNtuition and Thinking:

"About 70 percent of Americans are sensors...." -(
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So we know that whatever conditions we seek must, if they exist, predispose a person to be an iNtuition person and not a Sensor person.

The next important category is Thinking/Feeling: "This is the only personality type category related to gender. About two-thirds of all males are thinkers, and the same proportion of females are feelers. There often are problems in the workplace for those who don't conform to their gender's preference. For example, a feeling man is labeled a "wimp." Much more negatively, a thinking woman is "unfeminine," she "has a chip on her shoulder" or much worse."" (-
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So, if we assume causality, being a male doubles one's chances of becoming primarily a thinking rather than feeling individual. *From here we can veer off onto a tangential nature/nurture debate, but let's not. *Rather, let's look at those influences and their constituent components as contributors to a vector which ultimately points more in one direction or another. *So, to the extent that the sum total of all forces making an individual more Thinking outweigh the Feeling forces, one will be primarily a Thinker.

The result of being an iNtuitive+Thinker is a Rational, whom Keirsey states: "are very infrequent, comprising as few as 5% and no more than 7% of the population."

- (
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* <-- This is a cached link from google - Keirsey has since obscured this particular page )

So how does one become a rational? *Let us start with the more quantifiable information, herein proposed to be the levels of chemicals observable within the human body. *The following study proposes that with regard to cognitive function as correlated to sex hormones like testosterone and estradiol (a form of estrogen) there are optimal levels of hormones to maximize cognitive function (and that higher isn't necessarily better)
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. *Because these tests appear to be biased toward more rational individuals (insert here any of many references showing that Rationals tend to score higher on most standardized tests), it seems possible that these optimal levels of hormones cause people to be more Rational.

While there are some studies that show that individuals can be impaired by de-optimization of their hormone levels, the prospect of predisposing developing children toward Rationality by modulating their hormone levels has yet to be explored.

Consequently it seems logical to propose that certain levels are more likely to promote thinking function. *Here is a study about which I will say nothing other than to note that the reader may glean useful bits of information but should also be careful to note the perspective and disposition of the source:
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So it would be good if we could dig up some studies showing developmental hormone levels correlated to personality types. *This would tend to support or refute the theory that these levels are factors in the vector of Rational/non-Rational.

I am still working to develop theories as to Introversion/Extraversion (lots of data here, and intro/extra are defined differently in different places) and Judging/Perceiving (perhaps this has to do with level of aversion to risk, especially with regard to risk of being wrong?).