[rain]

I've found some effective ways in seducing the ESTP male. Here are some observations:

1. Always let him plan the date. ESTP men are intimidated by women who seemingly like to take control of situations. They rather direct activities, so only suggest things to do, then let him take credit for it. He'll feel confident and in-control and won't feel resentful that you're
"leading" the relationship. In essence, you are "guiding" him to do things you'd rather do, which you are letting him take the credit for.

2. Always talk out his feelings with the ESTP male. He doesn't want an intellectual equal or a woman is knowledgable on a variety of subjects nor an intellectual sparring partner. He wants someone who listens to his problems and gives him emotional support. Aside from talking about his problems and feelings with him, laugh and giggle at all his jokes. He's feel confident and in-control.

3. Aside from talking about the ESTP's problems and acting as his personal therapist, remember that the ESTP male loves to talk about sex. Primarily discuss all the sexual things he'd like to do and talk about all his sexual fantasies with him. He'll appreciate all the time you pay attention to trying to fulfill his sexual needs cos it will make him feel confident and in-control.

4. ESTPs love exploring and adventure, however they prefer predictability in their partners. Always be on call when he calls; immediately pick up the phone and answer him right away. When he calls, make sure to only talk about him and don't mention any of the things you are doing or working on. Be doubly sure you don't talk about other people to him. ESTPs love being the center of attention, and they prefer that they are the only star in the shining star and will feel resentful if there are other people whom he sees as competition.

5. ESTPs also like being dominated in bed. Make sure you throw him around and be a little rough with him. He likes to be the boss outside the bedroom, but in the bedroom, the ESTP male is actually a submissive guy who likes to be pushed around and made to feel a little pain before the orgasmic ending.

6. Don't try to help the ESTP in matters outside of being a good ear to his emotional problems. The ESTP rather you stay out of his professional life because he is the one who wants to be seen as helping others. Instead play damsel-in-distress. Learn to say things like, "Oh, ESTP male....[sniff sniff] What should I do?" He can then run to your side to help you which will make him feel confident and in-control.

7. Never be direct or say what's really on your mind with the ESTP male. Instead be unassuming, quiet and say things in a way in which you never truly express your real thoughts or opinions. Opinionated women irritate the ESTP male- especially if you have a conflicting opinion to his world view. Instead, agree with him gently but then make a few additions such as "You're so right, ESTP male, and do you also think that it could be true that A=B? What is your opinion on this?" That way, it will give the ESTP male to talk about his thoughts, his opinions, his observations without you interjecting with what he wants to see.

Remember, the main goal of the ESTP male is to feel confident and in-control. Any time there is something in the environment which points to the opposite will make him feel resentful of you. The point is to make him feel as comfortable as possible, and then seduce him. He'll think in the end, that he seduced you instead!

Thought this might help those of you who are fond of this MBTI-type!
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[Synamon]

Who did you write this for? I quit reading at number two.

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	2. Always talk out his feelings with the ESTP male. He doesn't want an intellectual equal or a woman is knowledgable on a variety of subjects nor an intellectual sparring partner. He wants someone who listens to his problems and gives him emotional support. Aside from talking about his problems and feelings with him, laugh and giggle at all his jokes. He's feel confident and in-control.

I'm not sure who you are describing, but I doubt it's an MBTI personality type so much as an insecure control freak. I doubt this person you describe would appeal to many of the INTJ women on the forum.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Who did you write this for? I quit reading at number two. I'm not sure who you are describing, but I doubt it's an MBTI personality type so much as an insecure control freak. I doubt this person you describe would appeal to many of the INTJ women on the forum.

Sure, we XXTJ women might think "That guy is an insecure control freak!" but in the ESTP male psychology- he sees this kind of behaviour as indicative of "leadership" qualities that will make him more desirable to women (!!!!)
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[ENIT]

Well, there's the instructions.

Now you just have to find somebody willing to tolerate such a person.

[heartland]

Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've found some effective ways in seducing the ESTP male. Here are some observations: 1. Always let him plan the date. ESTP men are intimidated by women who seemingly like to take control of situations. They rather direct activities, so only suggest things to do, then let him take credit for it. He'll feel confident and in-control and won't feel resentful that you're "leading" the relationship. In essence, you are "guiding" him to do things you'd rather do, which you are letting him take the credit for. 2. Always talk out his feelings with the ESTP male. He doesn't want an intellectual equal or a woman is knowledgable on a variety of subjects nor an intellectual sparring partner. He wants someone who listens to his problems and gives him emotional support. Aside from talking about his problems and feelings with him, laugh and giggle at all his jokes. He's feel confident and in-control. 3. Aside from talking about the ESTP's problems and acting as his personal therapist, remember that the ESTP male loves to talk about sex. Primarily discuss all the sexual things he'd like to do and talk about all his sexual fantasies with him. He'll appreciate all the time you pay attention to trying to fulfill his sexual needs cos it will make him feel confident and in-control. 4. ESTPs love exploring and adventure, however they prefer predictability in their partners. Always be on call when he calls; immediately pick up the phone and answer him right away. When he calls, make sure to only talk about him and don't mention any of the things you are doing or working on. Be doubly sure you don't talk about other people to him. ESTPs love being the center of attention, and they prefer that they are the only star in the shining star and will feel resentful if there are other people whom he sees as competition. 5. ESTPs also like being dominated in bed. Make sure you throw him around and be a little rough with him. He likes to be the boss outside the bedroom, but in the bedroom, the ESTP male is actually a submissive guy who likes to be pushed around and made to feel a little pain before the orgasmic ending. 6. Don't try to help the ESTP in matters outside of being a good ear to his emotional problems. The ESTP rather you stay out of his professional life because he is the one who wants to be seen as helping others. Instead play damsel-in-distress. Learn to say things like, "Oh, ESTP male....[sniff sniff] What should I do?" He can then run to your side to help you which will make him feel confident and in-control. 7. Never be direct or say what's really on your mind with the ESTP male. Instead be unassuming, quiet and say things in a way in which you never truly express your real thoughts or opinions. Opinionated women irritate the ESTP male- especially if you have a conflicting opinion to his world view. Instead, agree with him gently but then make a few additions such as "You're so right, ESTP male, and do you also think that it could be true that A=B? What is your opinion on this?" That way, it will give the ESTP male to talk about his thoughts, his opinions, his observations without you interjecting with what he wants to see. Remember, the main goal of the ESTP male is to feel confident and in-control. Any time there is something in the environment which points to the opposite will make him feel resentful of you. The point is to make him feel as comfortable as possible, and then seduce him. He'll think in the end, that he seduced you instead! Thought this might help those of you who are fond of this MBTI-type! To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Apart from demonstrating that you're evil, what's the point of all this?
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	Originally Posted by rain
	5. ESTPs also like being dominated in bed. Make sure you throw him around and be a little rough with him. He likes to be the boss outside the bedroom, but in the bedroom, the ESTP male is actually a submissive guy who likes to be pushed around and made to feel a little pain before the orgasmic ending.

On this specific point:

Small sample size, remarkably unscientific conclusion.

[taciturn]

Did you try this personally? Is your time so cheap that you waste it like this? The majority of your statements can be reached intuitively, I truly hope you didn't take the time to test it out.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by heartland To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Small sample size, remarkably unscientific conclusion.

This is from a survey of 6 ESTP males. So in a sense, a small sample size, but amazingly accurate!

	Originally Posted by taciturn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Did you try this personally? Is your time so cheap that you waste it like this? The majority of your statements can be reached intuitively, I truly hope you didn't take the time to test it out.

I think you have a specific gender bias in thinking men are the only ones on the forum who can exercise seduction theory. After all, this entire forum is an entertaining tool to test out ideas.

[heartland]

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	This is from a survey of 6 ESTP males. So in a sense, a small sample size, but amazingly accurate!

The average male, I suspect, would display the more or less same characteristics if he wanted to get into a girl's panties.

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think you have a specific gender bias in thinking men are the only ones on the forum who can exercise seduction theory. After all, this entire forum is an entertaining tool to test out ideas.

You're smart and a plausible rogue. However, not quite as smart as you think you are.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by heartland To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The average male, I suspect, would display the more or less same characteristics if he wanted to get into a girl's panties.

I don't think so. ESTPs have a specific necessity for "control" or the illusion of control in any given situation. I can tell you that ENTJ, ESTJ, INTP, ENTP and INTJ men are quite different in the way they act in front of the opposite gender.

	You're smart and a plausible rogue. However, not quite as smart as you think you are.

Oh come on! You know you're at least a little amused by this thread.
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[taciturn]

I'm not suggesting a connection between the value of your time and your gender.
What I'm wondering is this:
If your findings are so accurate why did you bother with 6 samples? Understanding, being able to reliably predict a result is all well and good, so why continually subject yourself to such pitifully boring 'experiments', unless you plan on publishing your findings professionally.

[Antares]

I have to admit I was rather fond of ESTPs and was open to the notion of a relationship with them. But let's just say I take your word for how they are. Not so much anymore. If that's how ESTPs truly are (control freaks whose egos need to be constantly fed), then I don't want one.

[gecko]

I believe she is vaguely hinting that a certain forum member embodies these traits. I think it would be unwise to take this description of an ESTP to heart...

[rain]

	Originally Posted by taciturn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not suggesting a connection between the value of your time and your gender. What I'm wondering is this: If your findings are so accurate why did you bother with 6 samples? Understanding, being able to reliably predict a result is all well and good, so why continually subject yourself to such pitifully boring 'experiments', unless you plan on publishing your findings professionally.

taciturn, I can see where you get your name from!
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Seriously though, I'm publishing an e-book. It's called: "How to selectively target men for seduction using the MBTI" And all of you participating in the forum are in my study group!

[insert evil laughter here]

[LaoTzu]

I'm not sure what is more damaging... this thread being directed at a hypothetical forum member

Or that she practiced items 3, and 5 with six people just to prove a point to said hypothetical forum member.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by LaoTzu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm not sure what is more damaging... this thread being directed at a hypothetical forum member Or that she practiced items 3, and 5 with six people just to prove a point to said hypothetical forum member.

Hey! I didn't say it was direct, emperical knowledge.

[Blse]

Ok, getting back to the OP, why would you focus on his feelings if he's ESTP, with strong Ti?

[rain]

	Ok, getting back to the OP, why would you focus on his feelings if he's ESTP, with strong Ti?

ESTPs under stress act as negative forms of INFJs:

Under extreme stress, fatigue or illness, the ESTP's shadow may appear - a negative form of INFJ. Example characteristics are: * going quiet or withdrawing from people * having a gloomy view of the future * having intense negative feelings towards others, which may be openly expressed * ceasing to adapt to changing circumstances The shadow is part of the unconscious that is often visible to others, onto whom the shadow is projected. The ESTP may therefore readily see these faults in others without recognising it in him/her self.

[Il Prodigio]

All this seduction talk bores me to tears. Look into the individuals eyes. Smile, watch for pupil dilation. People aren't to be toyed with or "gamed" on.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by Il Prodigio To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	All this seduction talk bores me to tears. Look into the individuals eyes. Smile, watch for pupil dilation. People aren't to be toyed with or "gamed" on.

Hmmm...sometimes people's eyes are heavily dilated because they're on drugs!

[sircockburn]

Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've found some effective ways in seducing the ESTP male. Here are some observations: 1. Always let him plan the date. ESTP men are intimidated by women who seemingly like to take control of situations. They rather direct activities, so only suggest things to do, then let him take credit for it. He'll feel confident and in-control and won't feel resentful that you're "leading" the relationship. In essence, you are "guiding" him to do things you'd rather do, which you are letting him take the credit for. 2. Always talk out his feelings with the ESTP male. He doesn't want an intellectual equal or a woman is knowledgable on a variety of subjects nor an intellectual sparring partner. He wants someone who listens to his problems and gives him emotional support. Aside from talking about his problems and feelings with him, laugh and giggle at all his jokes. He's feel confident and in-control. 3. Aside from talking about the ESTP's problems and acting as his personal therapist, remember that the ESTP male loves to talk about sex. Primarily discuss all the sexual things he'd like to do and talk about all his sexual fantasies with him. He'll appreciate all the time you pay attention to trying to fulfill his sexual needs cos it will make him feel confident and in-control. 4. ESTPs love exploring and adventure, however they prefer predictability in their partners. Always be on call when he calls; immediately pick up the phone and answer him right away. When he calls, make sure to only talk about him and don't mention any of the things you are doing or working on. Be doubly sure you don't talk about other people to him. ESTPs love being the center of attention, and they prefer that they are the only star in the shining star and will feel resentful if there are other people whom he sees as competition. 5. ESTPs also like being dominated in bed. Make sure you throw him around and be a little rough with him. He likes to be the boss outside the bedroom, but in the bedroom, the ESTP male is actually a submissive guy who likes to be pushed around and made to feel a little pain before the orgasmic ending. 6. Don't try to help the ESTP in matters outside of being a good ear to his emotional problems. The ESTP rather you stay out of his professional life because he is the one who wants to be seen as helping others. Instead play damsel-in-distress. Learn to say things like, "Oh, ESTP male....[sniff sniff] What should I do?" He can then run to your side to help you which will make him feel confident and in-control. 7. Never be direct or say what's really on your mind with the ESTP male. Instead be unassuming, quiet and say things in a way in which you never truly express your real thoughts or opinions. Opinionated women irritate the ESTP male- especially if you have a conflicting opinion to his world view. Instead, agree with him gently but then make a few additions such as "You're so right, ESTP male, and do you also think that it could be true that A=B? What is your opinion on this?" That way, it will give the ESTP male to talk about his thoughts, his opinions, his observations without you interjecting with what he wants to see. Remember, the main goal of the ESTP male is to feel confident and in-control. Any time there is something in the environment which points to the opposite will make him feel resentful of you. The point is to make him feel as comfortable as possible, and then seduce him. He'll think in the end, that he seduced you instead! Thought this might help those of you who are fond of this MBTI-type! To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

So, to summarize, be his lipsticked poodle with giggling, crying, and limited speech functions. I can only go for the first two sentences of #5.

[dice]

Does this work on ESTP women? I'll be honest, I didn't read it, but it really feels like you're writing up a hunting guide for wolves on the best way to skin sheep.

[sircockburn]

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	ESTPs under stress act as negative forms of INFJs:

OK, but unless ESTP's are under stress by default, or you're attracted to nervous wrecks (that is, if you "need to be needed"), the advice about appealing to their feelings is contradictory.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by sircockburn To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So, to summarize, be his lipsticked poodle with giggling, crying, and limited speech functions.

Actually I found poodles to have an INTP personality type-

They're very playful, opinionated, and remember everything! Supposedly they have the highest IQ of out all the dog breeds. But yes, they're sweet and are very patient. I take my little toy poodle everywhere, and she sits quietly while I have lunch meetings with friends.

I would say a dog with an ESTP type is probably a pitbull.

[qGrav]

How about a guide on how to seduce the INTJ female!

[LifeWellWasted]

Has your "study" gone under peer review? I am not attempting to inflate your ego any more than it is, but I find it hard to believe that any reasonable man would need such a complex seduction process with you.

Get a homely looking girl to duplicate your results and I will be impressed.... and a little saddened.