[Syntax]

	Originally Posted by Synamon
	The filter includes some forum names, product names, and website URLs. The admins add websites to the filter once those sites are deemed problematic.

...Am I over-stepping my bounds in asking what those forum names, product names and website URLs are?

[Elfrun]

	Originally Posted by Syntax
	...Am I over-stepping my bounds in asking what those forum names, product names and website URLs are?

This is not a comprehensive list but some of the forums that shouldn't be mentioned are:

Some other forum
Some other forum
Some other forum
Some other forum
And some other forum

[LionsPride]

	Originally Posted by Syntax
	But that's impossible...

How is copying and pasting information from somewhere on the internet into a thread and giving a link to its source impossible? It's done regularly. If the link is altered by the filter, don't try and evade the filter.

	Originally Posted by Syntax
	...and I'm concerned that no one has thus far provided a full list of the websites being blocked. That kind of caginess makes me suspect something insidious. And yes, I'm fully aware of the irony in asking for such a list...

Posting a list of sites that have been guilty of link dropping kind of defeats the purpose of removing their ability to successfully link drop which negates the purpose of the filter, so no, we won't negate the purpose of the filter.

[Fox]

	Originally Posted by Synamon
	All your deleted posts show the reason they are deleted as well as the moderator who deleted the post. Look again, I can still see your deleted post, it followed post 7 in the thread.

Hmm it only appears while I'm logged on.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by Fox
	Hmm it only appears while I'm logged on.

Yes, that's because it only appears to you, others cannot see your deleted posts and you cannot see theirs.

[cmrain]

I agree with Syntax. I think the decision to not post the filter list openly will have two related negative consequences. One is that I think members will want to know which other forums are being hidden from view purely because they are hidden with no list provided.

The other is that I suspect some members will simply do a vbulletin search and post all forums related to MBTI on the internet, legally and within the forum rules, without any attempt at evasion, simply to have the same level of knowledge that other members do before making posts. That appears to be allowable per this thread. Just my opinion.

[Synamon]

Originally Posted by cmrain

I agree with Syntax. I think the decision to not post the filter list openly will have two related negative consequences. One is that I think members will want to know which other forums are being hidden from view purely because they are hidden with no list provided. The other is that I suspect some members will simply do a vbulletin search and post all forums related to MBTI on the internet, legally and within the forum rules, without any attempt at evasion, simply to have the same level of knowledge that other members do before making posts. That appears to be allowable per this thread. Just my opinion.

As LionsPride already explained, listing them defeats the purpose of the rule.

The "level of knowledge" argument is silly. If your post gets filtered then you'll know that the site you were trying to discuss or link has been advertised and is now filtered. Until then there is no reason for anyone to know or care about the forum filter. I read a zillion posts on the forum and only come across a post that has been filtered a few times a month. Most forum users have probably never seen a post that's been filtered and have never had any of their posts filtered. There are tons of websites and forums that are not filtered and a few that are because someone advertised them. Why does everyone need a list that includes obscure religious or political or defunct MBTI forums that someone tried to advertise here and are now filtered?

[Sinequanon]

	Originally Posted by cmrain
	The other is that I suspect some members will simply do a vbulletin search and post all forums related to MBTI on the internet, legally and within the forum rules, without any attempt at evasion, simply to have the same level of knowledge that other members do before making posts. That appears to be allowable per this thread. Just my opinion.

It seems to me like that would basically be evading the filters, and essentially advertisement of the sites which aren't on the filters. The whole point is that the admins have said they don't want other sites advertised here, for a variety of reasons.

[Syntax]

	Originally Posted by LionsPride
	How is copying and pasting information from somewhere on the internet into a thread and giving a link to its source impossible? It's done regularly. If the link is altered by the filter, don't try and evade the filter.

That reminds me, there was a poll done on some other forum that touched upon the topic of censorship in which more than 70% of the forum-voters took a stance against censoring material. You can see the results of that poll here: http://************************/showthread.php?t=4707

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by Syntax
	That reminds me, there was a poll done on some other forum that touched upon the topic of censorship in which more than 70% of the forum-voters took a stance against censoring material.

Polls at other forums are completely irrelevant to the operation of this one. That's the whole point of the No Advertising rule, this forum is not an extension of any others and spamming this forum with links to other forums is not allowed.

You can think of the forum filter as censorship if you like. It's not. It is a time-saving tool to help the moderators prevent advertising on the forum. If the sites weren't automatically filtered then the moderators would be instructed to delete the posts containing the ones that are problematic.