[Allen3373]

So I gave the MBTI to an online friend, and she is an ISFP. We've always gotten along great and understand each other quite well.

When I saw that ISFPs share the exact same cognitive functions as an INTJ, just in a different order of preference, it got me wondering..

Do any of you have friends that are ISFPs? How does that work?

[Blues69]

I have an ISFP friend who's doing maths at uni like me. He tested ISFJ but said he felt more in tune with the ISFP descriptions. He confirmed that he's definatly a sensor.

I'd say the relationship is good. He's by no means stupid so rarely annoys me at all. There are a few similarities but a big difference in communication. We often have to stop and think about what the other person just said probably because of the N/S divide.

[freeeekyyy]

Yeah, ISFPs share our functions. The exact reverse of us are ESFPs though.

[Kisai]

The wife's ISFP.

Strengths: Sharing some Ni lets us share some hobbies. We have some of the same tastes in media, like movies and television. She's bright in an Ni way and can make her own connections in the story and see different points of view.

Conversely, her Fi helps draw out my Fi.

Weaknesses: She's Te 'tarded. Has no interest in book learning, but she can rapidly learn things like languages and massage with a better memory than I.

She also practically feeds off of feelings, which is sometimes bad. She'll start arguments over nothing so I can yell at her or discipline her. This really gives me a headache sometimes.

[saabninethree]

Really? I guess that makes sense (my sister is an ISFP), but to me we seem like total opposites. I often find SF's to be quite nice, but just not right for me -- I'm more aggressive than they would want anyway, but I usually play nice so that they're friendly with me.

[True Rune]

My best friend is ISFP. She's definitely emotional and isn't really drawn by what society wants. I think it's a good match for friends.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by Allen3373 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So I gave the MBTI to an online friend, and she is an ISFP. We've always gotten along great and understand each other quite well. When I saw that ISFPs share the exact same cognitive functions as an INTJ, just in a different order of preference, it got me wondering.

I was mentioning something similar right
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(last paragraph) a few days ago.

Takeru suggests that "While ISFPs may share the same 4 functions as INTJs, their interaction style with people are quite different."

And so I'm wondering what really matters most, the fact that we both interact differently or the fact that we can intrinsically relate to the other type.

[elegantmachine]

One of my closest friend is an ISFP.
She is very demanding when it comes to the social part.
She wants do drink coffee with me at least twice a week, and tries to implement the whole couple-relationship with dinner, movies and the whole sheebang.

If you'd ask me, I'd settle with once every month. Tops.

[Paul Siraisi]

I think my father is an ISFP. He's been a good father.

[Functianalyst]

I was thinking about this yesterday regarding the ISTP/INFJ since we use the same function pairings. I would think that since INTJs use Ni-Te-Fi-Se and ISFPs use Fi-Se-Ni-Te, the two types would get along extremely well in relationships. INTJs can help the ISFP to develop their Ni-Te and vice-versa. Until yesterday, I would have said there would be no chance of the two mistyping as one another, but this may be due to the stereotyping of ISFPs.

[terra incognita]

I suspect that most of my musician friends are ISFP. I respect their abilities, and find them fascinating on that level, but many of them lack ambition and any sort of drive (e.g. working at fast food chains, department stores, customer service). The latter point precludes the pursuit of any deep personal connection with many of them, unfortunately.

[Sinequanon]

Originally Posted by Functianalyst To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I was thinking about this yesterday regarding the ISTP/INFJ since we use the same function pairings. I would think that since INTJs use Ni-Te-Fi-Se and ISFPs use Fi-Se-Ni-Te, the two types would get along extremely well in relationships. INTJs can help the ISFP to develop their Ni-Te and vice-versa. Until yesterday, I would have said there would be no chance of the two mistyping as one another, but this may be due to the stereotyping of ISFPs.

My interaction with ESTPs and ISTPs tends to be like, amused respect, I guess. They sort of look at me as a novelty and I think of them the same way.

My current boss is an ESTP and we have completely opposite values. But, I like her a lot and I like the way she thinks, but it's sort of like, well, an inverse me. My grandfather was an ISTP and I got along very well with him. I like their gruffness and it makes me want to crack open their funny shells and make them emote.
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[Functianalyst]

Originally Posted by Sinequanon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My interaction with ESTPs and ISTPs tends to be like, amused respect, I guess. They sort of look at me as a novelty and I think of them the same way. My current boss is an ESTP and we have completely opposite values. But, I like her a lot and I like the way she thinks, but it's sort of like, well, an inverse me. My grandfather was an ISTP and I got along very well with him. I like their gruffness and it makes me want to crack open their funny shells and make them emote. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This is where I never know if someone is taking their understanding of type and incorporating their personal biases. What specifically about your supervisor do you believe are opposite values? I am not sure how old your grandfather is, but my dad's disposition has changed immensely since I was a child. He definitely uses more feeling than when I was growing up.

You (if an INFJ) should relate to your grandfather (if an ISTP) in all ways since he should be able to identify with your Ni-Fe and you with his Ti-Se. These are not shadow functions, they're duality functions since you both use them as your primary make-up (assuming you're both the types that you perceive). The shadow functions for INFJ and ISTP are Ne-Fi-Te-Si. This would mean your shadow types are ENFP, INFP, ISTJ and ESTJ. Your duality types are INFJ, ENFJ, ESTP and ISTP. That leaves the remaining eight types that could be shadow or duality based on their temperament preferences.

[Takeru]

Originally Posted by Functianalyst To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I was thinking about this yesterday regarding the ISTP/INFJ since we use the same function pairings. I would think that since INTJs use Ni-Te-Fi-Se and ISFPs use Fi-Se-Ni-Te, the two types would get along extremely well in relationships. INTJs can help the ISFP to develop their Ni-Te and vice-versa. Until yesterday, I would have said there would be no chance of the two mistyping as one another, but this may be due to the stereotyping of ISFPs.

If we go by theory:
ISTPs and INFJs both share the same interaction style. I would believe that it'll be easier for the two to get along.

However, ISFPs do not share the same interaction style as INTJs. While INTJs interaction style is the same as INFJs and ISTPs, ISFP shares the same interaction style as INFPs and INTPs.

I thought a lot of what you said when I said to myself that I was an INFP (back then)...just because ISTJs were close to ESTJs... the order of the functions kind of mimic INFP.... just that the top two are at the bottom two and the bottom two at the top.

I was thinking
FiNeSiTe
SiTeFiNe

INFP can help ISTJs develop Fi and Ne while ISTJs can help INFPs develop Si and Te.

[True Rune]

"Help" is an interesting term. How conscious is this development?

[Takeru]

	Originally Posted by True Rune To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"Help" is an interesting term.

Meaning if an ISTJ hangs out with an INFP long enough, using the top two functions(which is often preferred by the type) a lot, the INFP will begin to "help" the ISTJ develop Fi and Ne which is the bottom two functions for the ISTJ.

Though it is all theory. Considering how it seems almost everyone here is scared of Fi or something.

In this case
FiSeNiTe
NiTeFiSe

An INTJ could "help" develop an ISFP naturally by helping the ISFP develop Ni and Te over time. (Which an INTJ often uses)
An ISFP could "help" develop an INTJ naturally by helping the INTJ develop Fi and Se over time. (Which an ISFP often uses)

A bit off topic:
Which is a reason why I theorized myself that INTJs and ISFPs would get along better than INTJs and INFPs would because INTJ and ISFP share the same four functions... while at the same time helping each other develop their not as "great" functions. (I mean, the only thing in common INTJs and INFPs share is Fi and Te.) Their introverted functions are less likely to clash as much as an ESFP-INTJ/ENFP-ISTJ pair would anyhow.

[Reversed]

I don't know if I have any ISFP friends (can't come up with it).

But.

(First I tested as INTP & ENTP, then contemplated over INFP.) I imagined I'm an ISFP. Then later, I realized the functions aren't placed right. XD because I noticed I belong more to the NT temperament after all...
Should take those J/P, F/T, ..., stereotypes with a grain of salt before assessing a type.

[Functianalyst]

	Originally Posted by True Rune To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"Help" is an interesting term. How conscious is this development?

I would say that they're very conscious otherwise, it would make for an imbalanced type if the only thing we depended on was our top two functions. We must use all four functions in some capacity for balance, i.e. too much N (or specifically Ni) with no S (or specifically Se) would not allow the person to be grounded. You could not use Si to compensate for Ni since they essentially do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Takeru To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

If we go by theory: ISTPs and INFJs both share the same interaction style. I would believe that it'll be easier for the two to get along. However, ISFPs do not share the same interaction style as INTJs. While INTJs interaction style is the same as INFJs and ISTPs, ISFP shares the same interaction style as INFPs and INTPs. I thought a lot of what you said when I said to myself that I was an INFP (back then)...just because ISTJs were close to ESTJs... the order of the functions kind of mimic INFP.... just that the top two are at the bottom two and the bottom two at the top. I was thinking FiNeSiTe SiTeFiNe INFP can help ISTJs develop Fi and Ne while ISTJs can help INFPs develop Si and Te.

Excellent points Takeru. The interaction styles must be taken into consideration, however I am not thinking that this topic is whether INTJ and ISFP may appear as look-alikes, only that they share the same function orders in pairs. Thanks for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by Takeru To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

A bit off topic: Which is a reason why I theorized myself that INTJs and ISFPs would get along better than INTJs and INFPs would because INTJ and ISFP share the same four functions... while at the same time helping each other develop their not as "great" functions. (I mean, the only thing in common INTJs and INFPs share is Fi and Te.) Their introverted functions are less likely to clash as much as an ESFP-INTJ/ENFP-ISTJ pair would anyhow.

Yet an excellent point. It seems that Se types are the only ones who can see that intangible connection that a type using identical functions will have a better connection to someone using the same four. In fact what MBTI has determined shadow is what I consider duality. My shadow types would use the functions with opposite attitude: Te-Si-Ne-Fi. Again great input Takeru and you (if you truly believe that you are ISFP) confirm what I hesitated to say in another discussion earlier as to whether ISFPs would delve into theory as deep as the INFJ. You have excellent insights to the theory.

[True Rune]

Hence the "supplement" term they're given on those charts or is that based on something else entirely? (That is not to be trusted.)

[Takeru]

	Originally Posted by True Rune To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hence the "supplement" term they're given on those charts or is that based on something else entirely? (That is not to be trusted.)

I know what you are talking about, I don't trust that site either. But it is plausible if you think about it well enough.