[Causa Mortis]

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in which the OP's question was: Do you find that a certain kind of person has an instant attraction to you?

rain's response was emblematic of a phenomenon that I've found exists in the dating market today that didn't really exist when I was last in the dating market 6 years ago:

Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm just being honest here- but men across all socioeconomic and racial and cultural divides seem to be attracted to me. Even gay men are attracted to me. It's not that I think I'm particularly beautiful- I think it's the combination of my personality/ intelligence and the way I carry myself that makes men drawn towards me. I have noticed the same in my female friends with a similar personality. Men are attracted to them for the same exact reasons.

This is standard fare for the dating market today. I'm finding friendship with women to be impossible because of this - they all assume that because they're cute enough to lay they're so cute that I can't possibly resist them relationally. And of course its not because they're fit early 20-somethings - ITS BECAUSE OF THEIR INCREDIBLE PERSONALITIES.

What's hilarious is that they're surprised when you tell them to go home shortly afterwards. I mean - did you seriously expect us to indulge this unending bullshit for long?

Any other men incredibly irritated with this trend and cut these special individuals out of their life as quickly as possible?

[ZincLysine]

I don't think this is a new trend fella.

I do get annoyed with it though.

[Syntax]

I've had a variation on this problem with a particular female friend. She had low self-esteem issues and I would try to pick her up with playful(and sometimes slightly ribald) compliments. For her there was no middle ground between "I'm so ugly and fat" and "omg you're coming on too strong!". That or I lack the tact to get to said middle-ground. That's a definite possibility. The weird thing was, she'd sometimes initiate ribald conversations in much the same way I did with her...only to cut off communication for days later. I don't know if this kind of behavior is ubiquitous among females, however, since I've only had that one experience.


It was frustrating and it lead to a little bit of drama. We haven't spoken at length for a couple of years now, though we still consider each other friends.

[Seriously]

Is that like the guys who get in shape and a job and then think all women are attracted to them just because of that? Cause yea that's irritating.

I do find it interesting though how many people think they are attractive...really attractive. What do you suppose gives people inflated confidence? It's like those people who sing like crap and audition for American Idol...how does that happen?

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is that like the guys who get in shape and a job and then think all women are attracted to them just because of that? Cause yea that's irritating.

I believe I've stated that not all women are attracted to me. I'm only 6'3", I only have a few ab muscles visible, and I'm only worth about 80k. That's only probably 90th percentile for men, with at least half of the income going to the top 1%.

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	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I do find it interesting though how many people think they are attractive...really attractive. What do you suppose gives people inflated confidence? It's like those people who sing like crap and audition for American Idol...how does that happen?

Nothing wrong with assuming you're attractive. LOTS wrong with assuming that every man in the world is attracted to you, and not just because you have the hollywood look but because of your intelligence and wonderful personality. That's vanity, period.

[Seriously]

lol I was just messing with you. I can't help myself sometimes....

but the second paragraph was serious, where does the inflated confidence come from?

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	lol I was just messing with you. I can't help myself sometimes.... but the second paragraph was serious, where does the inflated confidence come from?

Parents and teachers telling them they're wonderful when they're awful. Oh and in the case of hot girls who think they're bright, its because the only real compliment that means anything to a hot girl is that she's bright. They know they're hot and most on some level realize they're dumb...they're insecure about that, so the only potent complement is on IQ.

[Seriously]

Is it wrong to do that? I mean you want to build confidence but is it better in the long run for someone to realize their limitations?

Anyway I appear to be derailing your thread a bit....sorry.

Did you ever think that maybe a lot of other men do find them irresistible, they just aren't your cup of tea?

[azelismia]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Parents and teachers telling them they're wonderful when they're awful. Oh and in the case of hot girls who think they're bright, its because the only real compliment that means anything to a hot girl is that she's bright. They know they're hot and most on some level realize they're dumb...they're insecure about that, so the only potent complement is on IQ.

So you think it's impossible for a hot girl to be bright as well? Does that go for men as well?

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by azelismia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So you think it's impossible for a hot girl to be bright as well? does that go for men, in your eyes, as well?

Its very unlikely for a woman to be both bright and very attractive. She may be sharp in terms of how quickly she processes data, but she's highly unlikely to have much in the way of mental discipline or acquired knowledge. They get so much social attention on physical grounds alone that they rarely develop much else.

[azelismia]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Its very unlikely for a woman to be both bright and very attractive. She may be sharp in terms of how quickly she processes data, but she's highly unlikely to have much in the way of mental discipline or acquired knowledge. They get so much social attention on physical grounds alone that they rarely develop much else.

and do you think this holds true for men as well?

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it wrong to do that? I mean you want to build confidence but is it better in the long run for someone to realize their limitations?

You want to build confidence that's grounded on something - not to think their limitations are strengths. Or else they go on American idol and embarrass themselves and others.

	Did you ever think that maybe a lot of other men do find them irresistible, they just aren't your cup of tea?

Sure, possible, dont' think we have any on these forums.

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	Originally Posted by azelismia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	and do you think this holds true for men as well?

Doubt it because women rarely sleep with men strictly on the basis of looks alone. The guy normally has to at least have money and generally a high degree of social status to be getting whatever ass he wants.

But you're in better position to make that call than I am.

[azelismia]

Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

You want to build confidence that's grounded on something - not to think their limitations are strengths. Or else they go on American idol and embarrass themselves and others. Sure, possible, dont' think we have any on these forums. ---------- Post added 03-18-2010 at 06:36 PM ---------- Doubt it because women rarely sleep with men strictly on the basis of looks alone. The guy normally has to at least have money and generally a high degree of social status to be getting whatever ass he wants. But you're in better position to make that call than I am.

Looks go a lot further with women then you think. Social standing and money are common myths.

of course there are hot and intelligent men out there just like there are hot intelligent women out there.

Your frustrations and emotions are blinding you. (In my ever so humble opinion) Otherwise you wouldn't be making such all encompassing and unprovable arguments that attach to all Women everywhere but not men.

double standards are always a good warning that you're wrong.

I guess you're too beautiful to think this thru clearly? (notice the question mark)

[Syntax]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Doubt it because women rarely sleep with men strictly on the basis of looks alone. The guy normally has to at least have money and generally a high degree of social status to be getting whatever ass he wants. But you're in better position to make that call than I am.

We're making a lot of leaps in the argument here. I'd prefer to see some objective evidence of these claims before we take this further.

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Syntax To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We're making a lot of leaps in the argument here. I'd prefer to see some objective evidence of these claims before we take this further.

LOL. Its obviously conjecture like 99% of the rest of the crap on this subforum. Don't like it? Ignore it.

[Seriously]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Its very unlikely for a woman to be both bright and very attractive. She may be sharp in terms of how quickly she processes data, but she's highly unlikely to have much in the way of mental discipline or acquired knowledge. They get so much social attention on physical grounds alone that they rarely develop much else.

Wow. I can't help but wonder what your background is to make have these ideas about women.

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by Seriously To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow. I can't help but wonder what your background is to make have these ideas about women.

Lots of experience, and Rain's a perfect example.

[firebee]

Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This is standard fare for the dating market today. I'm finding friendship with women to be impossible because of this - they all assume that because they're cute enough to lay they're so cute that I can't possibly resist them relationally. And of course its not because they're fit early 20-somethings - ITS BECAUSE OF THEIR INCREDIBLE PERSONALITIES. What's hilarious is that they're surprised when you tell them to go home shortly afterwards. I mean - did you seriously expect us to indulge this unending bullshit for long? Any other men incredibly irritated with this trend and cut these special individuals out of their life as quickly as possible?

Personally, I find people who have figured that they can reduce the criteria of attraction for all people to a small and rigid list of traits, and who figure that they are objectively irresistible based on themselves having these traits, profoundly unattractive.

So yeah. I don't much care for that bullshit either.

[Syntax]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	LOL. Its obviously conjecture. Don't like it? Ignore it.

I prefer to entertain ideas I don't immediately agree with. Many of my opinions have "if" statements in them.

You made the claim that intellect and beauty are a rare combination. I'll agree with that.

You made the claim that those same two variables are not independent. It stands to reason, but evidence is needed if you're going to somehow use this as a premise for your OP.

You made the claim that the rules of dependency of those two variables change depending upon sex. Now we've made an assumption on an assumption.



We need to dust out the cobwebs here.

[Kisai]

There's some very beautiful and intelligent women here on the forum.

[Causa Mortis]

	Originally Posted by firebee To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Personally, I find people who have figured that they can reduce the criteria of attraction for all people to a small and rigid list of traits, and who figure that they are objectively irresistible based on themselves having these traits, profoundly unattractive. So yeah. I don't much care for that bullshit either.

Wow I'm floored.

	There's some very beautiful and intelligent women here on the forum

LOL Plenty of the latter, a handful of the former, none that fit both. Silverty comes closest but falls short of "hot".

[azelismia]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Lots of experience, and Rain's a perfect example.

lots of experience? I don't think one man's experience can begin to sum up the possibility of human beings out there. you probably have habits yes? You meet these women in the same place, have a type you're likely to end up with.. in other words, it's not a random sampling of the populace. it's your biased sampling.

yes, vain people exist. Both in thinking they have looks when they haven't or in thinking they have brains when they haven't or thinking they have both when they haven't. But there are also many people out there with all of the combinations above.

you admitted they might have decent processing units but said they might not be accomplished.. Since when is accomplishment intelligence?

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	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow I'm floored. LOL Plenty of the latter, a handful of the former, none that fit both. Silverty comes closest but falls short of "hot".

What is your definition of Hot exactly? is it looks? how they dress? you said something about Cute fitting into your rant earlier.. it leads to confusion. It seems to me that quite a lot of the women here are quite nice looking. Does this just mean your own personal level of hot, or what you are attracted to or some sort of hot scale that all men will mostly agree with?

[Syntax]

I hate to go ad hominem on you, but....would I be incorrect in assuming you're a bit angry right now and speaking more brashly than you normally would?

[Causa Mortis]

Originally Posted by azelismia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

lots of experience? I don't think one man's experience can begin to sum up the possibility of human beings out there. you probably have habits yes? You meet these women in the same place, have a type you're likely to end up with.. in other words, it's not a random sampling of the populace. it's your biased sampling. yes, vain people exist. Both in thinking they have looks when they haven't or in thinking they have brains when they haven't or thinking they have both when they haven't. But there are also many people out there with all of the combinations above.

I'm in a decent graduate program at a decent university. I don't have a set place I meet them. The choice for

	you admitted they might have decent processing units but said they might not be accomplished.. Since when is accomplishment intelligence?

When they have an area of expertise and when they are able to distinguish between talking out of their ass and talking about the way things are.

	What is your definition of Hot exactly?

rain fits the bill. No question - she's got the wow factor on looks.

[firebee]

	Originally Posted by Causa Mortis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Wow I'm floored.

To be blunt, I'm not exactly seeing a huge amount of difference between the behavior you're describing and the theory you've been aggressively pushing for the past couple weeks. You've been quite explicit about stating that your visible abdominal muscles, huge bank account, and equally ginormous cock give you license to act like an asshole and still get women. Meanwhile, it seems that if a female person states that she has the dating market similarly covered, this is evidence of narcissism.

What's the difference? Dick length?