[defyall]

Ok, INTJ list in SF and fantasy:

1. Emperor Gregor Vorbarra in Bujold's Vorkosigan series (Miles is an ENTJ)
2. Raistlin Majere in Dragonlance
3. Gerald Tarrant in Coldfire
4. Nikolaus in Warchild
5. Havelock Vetinari from Discworld
6. Lucifer from the Mike Carey/Sandman Universe Comics
7. Darth Vader
8. Rand al'Thor from Wheel of Time
9. Steerpike from Gormenghast
10. The new Spock

Obviously, it's very hard to find full/properly developed MBTI types in fiction - not every author has the fortitude (or need, depending on the story) to build characters in the deeply complex way necessary to portray an INTJ well enough that the character would resonate with INTJ readers...but we Looooveee archetypes, which is why Raistlin (complex, but somewhat two-dimensional as a character) comes across as such a strong INTJ type.

What is it about INTJ men that makes them so desirable and delicious? Oh right. Power. Ambition. Intelligence. Not to mention the potential for world-burning passion, all the more alluring because of the INTJ's natural reserve...yeah. Yum.

[HereticForLife]

	Originally Posted by meep To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm positive that Sydney Carton from A Tale of Two Cities is an INTJ.

That's what I thought when I finished the book. As far as I can tell, the rest of the major characters would be:

Lucie Manette - INFP
Dr. Manette - INTJ
Jarvis Lorry - ISTJ
Madame Defarge - INTJ
Monsieur Defarge - ISFJ
Ms. Pross - ESFP
Jerry Cruncher - ExxP
Charles Evremonde - ESTP

[Kisai]

Darth Vader and new "Sylar" Spock are both ISTJs. Emperor Palpatine is an INTJ.

Mike Carey's Lucifer I really wish wasn't INTJ but is. He's like Hannibal Lecter in the second film. He's so much more interesting limited in power and resisting against a force. Outside and free they just seem like snobs who make things look too easy.

[defyall]

mmm...I'd have to disagree on the Vader and "Sylar" Spock being S-types...but I can't offer specific proof at the moment, as I don't have access to movies. I'll try to go through various scenes that struck me as very N for both of them and post a list sometime in the new year...

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Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds

[clipse]

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	Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds

I'd say he's an ESTP or ENTP.

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	Originally Posted by clipse To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'd say he's an ESTP or ENTP.

I thought about I vs. E and it seems that he could be a very well-adjusted Introvert. You can tell that his primary motivation is self-fulfillment, there's something about him that makes me think his mind is mostly introspective and he's just figured out how to apply his intuition to life outside. But ENTP would be my guess if he's an extrovert.

Definitely an iNtuitive. He reads people like a book. That's what I loved about him.

[Pseudonimum]

Yagami Light has got to be INTJ. C'mon, since when being a T type means to have no moral concerning or will to make the world a better place? This like saying that being a thinker type is the same of being selfish. This is appealing to stereotypes. No matter if you're F, T, S, N, P, J, or whatever... anyone can fight for justice. Plus, his way of dealing with people is totally T. But also in an archetypical and stupid way.

Michael Corleone was an INTJ, too, I think.

Also, someone said about Hans Landa. He's just got to be ENTJ. He is completely Te.

[Carpe Diem]

Why does everyone assume that Gandalf is an INTJ? He puts the fate of Middle Earth in the hands of some 4'10" hobbit and his fat, albeit loyal, friend to track countless miles through unforgiving and ridiculously dangers situations straight into the enemy's most protected lands (how did he expect Frodo to get through the gate anyways?), yet still believes they have a chance.



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That's what common sense would dictate.

[Pseudonimum]

Carpe Diem, stupidity or not, I still can't see how does this relates to Gandalf's personality.

[Carpe Diem]

	Originally Posted by Pseudonimum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Carpe Diem, stupidity or not, I still can't see how does this relates to Gandalf's personality.

What sort of strategist would have placed such a critical key to victory in the hands of an individual with such little skill in combat, craftsmanship, bushcraft, navigation, or intuitiveness to accomplish a task practically impossible.

[Pseudonimum]

	Originally Posted by Carpe Diem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What sort of strategist would have placed such a critical key to victory in the hands of an individual with such little skill in combat, craftsmanship, bushcraft, navigation, or intuitiveness to accomplish a task practically impossible.

I don't know what sort of strategist would do this. Maybe a bad one. Maybe on who had far higher objectives than simple winning. But that doesn't matter at all. Since when being an INTJ implies to be a genious of strategy, the mastermind of the masterminds?

[Carpe Diem]

	Originally Posted by Pseudonimum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't know what sort of strategist would do this. Maybe a bad one. Maybe on who had far higher objectives than simple winning. But that doesn't matter at all. Since when being an INTJ implies to be a genious of strategy, the mastermind of the masterminds?

Give me a reason to call him an INTJ.

[Kisai]

Easy. When offered the One Ring, he was like "Are you crazy?! I'd have Middle Earth conquered in double time!"

[Pseudonimum]

	Originally Posted by Carpe Diem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Give me a reason to call him an INTJ.

Read the thread. There are reasons enough for it.

[Blum]

	Originally Posted by Carpe Diem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What sort of strategist would have placed such a critical key to victory in the hands of an individual with such little skill in combat, craftsmanship, bushcraft, navigation, or intuitiveness to accomplish a task practically impossible.

Was he right?

[Carpe Diem]

	Originally Posted by Blum To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Was he right?

Sure, he was right in the end. But he might as well have just tied the ring to a balloon and hoped it landed in the fire.

( Show Spoiler )

Protip: Just cause a character is cool, doesn't make the character an INTJ. Nor does a retarded plan working.

[Fuego]

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	I'm utterly amazed that no one's mentioned Walter White from Breaking Bad.

Spot on!

Has anybody seen Finding Forrester? If so what do you think of Sean Connery and Rob Brown's characters?

[Thrifty]

In my humble opinion...

Gandalf: xNTx (probably INTP though)
Hans Landa: ExTP (prob ESTP)
Walter White: ESTJ

[fettuccine]

What about Andy Dufresne from the Shawshank Redemption?

[Samoan Corleone]

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	What about Andy Dufresne from the Shawshank Redemption?

Definite INTJ.

[TheGoodLocust]

	Originally Posted by Carpe Diem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What sort of strategist would have placed such a critical key to victory in the hands of an individual with such little skill in combat, craftsmanship, bushcraft, navigation, or intuitiveness to accomplish a task practically impossible.

Well, I can give you a few reasons:

1) Hobbits seemed to be resistant to the corrupting influence of the ring.

2) They are athletic and hardy.

3) They are small, stealthy and look unimportant - which makes them ideal for sneaking past the giant armies of Dark Lords.

Aren't these things rather obvious?

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by TheGoodLocust To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, I can give you a few reasons: 1) Hobbits seemed to be resistant to the corrupting influence of the ring. 2) They are athletic and hardy. 3) They are small, stealthy and look unimportant - which makes them ideal for sneaking past the giant armies of Dark Lords. Aren't these things rather obvious?

Only obvious as traits of hobbits. I've never seen INTJs described as generally athletic (though there are athletic INTJs). INTJs are purported to want to rule the world...not save it. INTJs around here probably would be unappreciate of being called small and stealthy. Try again.

If anything, hobbits display something more akin to NF and SP traits given their desire (as a ...species?) to live in harmony with the earth, and to drink and eat a lot. I still won't pin down any one of them as any one type, because I just don't think it's possible -- but I don't think they're a bunch of little INTJs running around either.

[TheGoodLocust]

Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Only obvious as traits of hobbits. I've never seen INTJs described as generally athletic (though there are athletic INTJs). INTJs are purported to want to rule the world...not save it. INTJs around here probably would be unappreciate of being called small and stealthy. Try again. If anything, hobbits display something more akin to NF and SP traits given their desire (as a ...species?) to live in harmony with the earth, and to drink and eat a lot. I still won't pin down any one of them as any one type, because I just don't think it's possible -- but I don't think they're a bunch of little INTJs running around either.

Did I miss something? I wasn't arguing that hobbits were INTJs - I was just explaining why a person with a strategic mind might pick them for the task they were given.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	INTJs are purported to want to rule the world...not save it.

To be fair, we don't live in a world where good and evil are so incredibly polarized as in LOTR. If the forces of evil were about to checkmate the world, the nicer INTJs would be working their asses off to stop it (and the not so nice buying condos in Mordor).