[Kisai]

L is classic INTP.

I feel Yagami Light is an INTJ because he's usually thinking rationally (his motivations do seem more INFJ to me, making a perfect world where everyone who does anything bad will be punished) and coolheaded, suppressing his emotions, acting on his rational thoughts, using Ni to get himself out of jams. Hmm. Maybe IntJ or INfJ.

Don't worry. N is an INTJ too.

[Eleven]

Light has got to be a T. He's very concerned with morality, but...it's a T approach to morality. And he just does not have enough normal human emotion to be an F.

I actually think Light might be a bit difficult to type, because he's so atypical (sociopathic? Narcissistic?), but just going on what we see, I lean towards INTJ.

N is interesting. I can see a lot of Ni but not much in the way of Te. Care to make a case for INTJ here? (maybe with spoiler tags for specific details, in case anyone hasn't seen/read it)

I'd also be interested to know what people think of Mello. I've seen him typed as ENFP, but that just doesn't seem to fit to me. I would have intuited a guess at maybe ENTP.

[Kisai]

Sorry. His name is Near, not 'N'. Brain slip.

As for Near's Te, it's his toys, his toys are tools for extrapolating his thinking. At the beginning, they seem random, just playthings, but as he gets towards the dolls, he uses them to directly explain the plot.

[eternaltriangle]

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I don't know if this has been said already (I'm not going to read 12 pages to find out), but I think that Malcom Dewey Hal Reese (maybe?) Francis (maybe?) are all INTJs from Malcom in the Middle. They certainly are all "master minds," at least in their own way. Really, assuming I'm right about all, or most, of them being INTJs, the show could be viewed as an examination of INTJs and how highly individualized they can be. That would of course include things like their development and ability to react to different situations. At the very least its funny as hell.

This is just crazy (although Malcolm in the Middle reminds me somewhat of my family).

Hal is almost certainly a feeler - he is the emotional, loving parent who is always tearing up. He is also much too open-minded to be a J. He is an IxFP.

Dewey is very similar to Hal, and the two have a special relationship in the show because they are so similar. I would type him as an IxFP - he is the classic day-dreamer.

There is absolutely no way in Hell that Reese is an INTJ. It isn't so much that he is dumb (INTJ's can be dumb), it is more the way in which he is dumb. Reese is easily fooled because he only sees what is in front of him. Also, like Malcolm, he is driven to be social, even if he is not always successful. He is an ESTx.

Malcolm is also not an INTJ - he is more of an xNTP. He is possibly an extrovert - he doesn't just want to be left alone, he is very much interested in social acceptance by people other than his nerdy classmates. He is also not particularly driven or organized like one would expect an INTJ to be. In classic xNTP form his plans are usually flashy, but have a penchant for backfiring.

Francis is also not an INTJ, but rather an ExTP. This is why his ISTJ mother has such a hard time dealing with him. She wants a neat, organized world, while Francis is a kind of flaky screw-up. He can, however, successfully pull pranks on his mother because she thinks in a very linear fashion.

This is sort of a retread of an argument I made elsewhere, but according to the MBTI stats, the number of INTJ's in the world are quite low. Lets say we are talking about 1.5% of the population. The chance that a 5 out of 6 major characters in a show, randomly drawn from the populace at large, would be INTJ's is infinitesimally small. The chance that studio execs would say "hey, there's a family people could relate to" is even smaller.

[Sinequanon]

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This is just crazy (although Malcolm in the Middle reminds me somewhat of my family). Hal is almost certainly a feeler - he is the emotional, loving parent who is always tearing up. He is also much too open-minded to be a J. He is an IxFP. Dewey is very similar to Hal, and the two have a special relationship in the show because they are so similar. I would type him as an IxFP - he is the classic day-dreamer. There is absolutely no way in Hell that Reese is an INTJ. It isn't so much that he is dumb (INTJ's can be dumb), it is more the way in which he is dumb. Reese is easily fooled because he only sees what is in front of him. Also, like Malcolm, he is driven to be social, even if he is not always successful. He is an ESTx. Malcolm is also not an INTJ - he is more of an xNTP. He is possibly an extrovert - he doesn't just want to be left alone, he is very much interested in social acceptance by people other than his nerdy classmates. He is also not particularly driven or organized like one would expect an INTJ to be. In classic xNTP form his plans are usually flashy, but have a penchant for backfiring. Francis is also not an INTJ, but rather an ExTP. This is why his ISTJ mother has such a hard time dealing with him. She wants a neat, organized world, while Francis is a kind of flaky screw-up. He can, however, successfully pull pranks on his mother because she thinks in a very linear fashion. This is sort of a retread of an argument I made elsewhere, but according to the MBTI stats, the number of INTJ's in the world are quite low. Lets say we are talking about 1.5% of the population. The chance that a 5 out of 6 major characters in a show, randomly drawn from the populace at large, would be INTJ's is infinitesimally small. The chance that studio execs would say "hey, there's a family people could relate to" is even smaller.

You misspelled "ESFJ" as "ISTJ" but otherwise pretty spot on. I could see Malcolm as a J of some sort but he wouldn't be an INTJ.

[Viktor]

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	I feel Yagami Light is an INTJ because he's usually thinking rationally (his motivations do seem more INFJ to me, making a perfect world where everyone who does anything bad will be punished) and coolheaded, suppressing his emotions, acting on his rational thoughts, using Ni to get himself out of jams. Hmm. Maybe IntJ or INfJ.

There is room for interpretation there. I always got the feeling that this creating a new world business is not his real goal, rather something he used to justify his actions. I was always under the impression that he did it because he was bored. Not just not-much-fun-bored, but tired of the world and how it was.

And maybe his narcissism explains it as well, he could as well create the new world just to feed his ego.

Man do I feel the same sometimes. Please let there be a minor apocalypse soon... shake things up a bit. Maybe a pandemic or a nuclear war, or someone finding a death note.

[Melkor]

Hmmm.

I think Intj's are abundant in literature and movies...

They tend to be a tad stereotyped though, sadly.

Generally they appear as meglomaniac villains with no real depth.

[Indubitably]

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House is very closure oriented. He gets very agitated when he can't figure somethng out. P's are more laid back than J's. He plans the tests he does before hand, not as he gets the results of the previous test. I'm pretty sure he's a J. As for N or S, I really can't tell. I think he's an iN because he trusts his gut a lot. (please tell me if I just mixed something up there) So I definately think House is an INTJ

Closure from figuring things out = introverted judging function, closure from getting something done = extroverted judging function. House does a bit of both depending on the episode, but if you really want to use it as your primary determining factor though, just ask yourself "would house rather solve an interesting puzzle at the expense of getting things done, or would he rather get things done at the expense of solving an interesting puzzle?".

The majority of episodes I've seen would put this particular trait in the P column.

[SummerSky]

What about the "Jane Eyre" characters? I guess Jane is rather an INFJ, but isn't Rochester a INTJ? I'm not sure about the I, he could also be an ENTJ...

And does anyone know the Artemis Fowl series? I think he makes a good INTJ.

[eternaltriangle]

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	And my personal favorite is Admiral Adama from the new Battlestar Galactica. I want to point out, I am very much a INTJ, and I have the ability to appear very social. It just means you are a well developed INTJ. I only have social ability because it is a necessary means to an end. Any good INTJ villian/hero can become social and outgoing, it is just very draining.

Adama is not an INTJ. He is a quintessential ISTJ guardian type (if not that, he may be an ISFJ). He is a curmudgeon who is stuck in the old ways (for instance, refusing to have computers on the Galactica); who stubbornly insisted on following his orders (eg. we have to go fight the Cylons, even though we will certainly die and all of humanity has been wiped out). He is a great commander, but this comes from his experience (in D&D terms, Adama would have a decent intelligence but a wisdom of like 20), his caution, and his quiet ability to inspire (he is sort of George Washington or Robert E. Lee - an ISTJ and ISFJ respectively - in how he leads by being a personal example of restraint). He may have been a different type when he was younger though (possibly an ESTP).

Lee Adama is an ESFJ, which is why he constantly butts heads with his dad. ESFJ's have extremely strong systems of values (probably the strongest of any type) - Lee Adama reflects this in his constant (and annoying) insistence that the Galactica must do the "right" thing. He is usually very small picture too - the ends don't justify the means.

Colonel Tigh is a classic ESTJ. Nothing gives him more pleasure than ripping into people below him. He has a very low Fe too - he never considers the human cost of anything, which is why he was such a poor commander. He is great at leading during the battle itself, but not a peacetime leader. At the same time, his absolute respect of the chain of command suggests J-ness to me. As is his respect for certain implicit rules.

( Show Spoiler )

Such as when he kills his wife.

Gaius Balthar is an ENTP. He is sort of the classic scientist that news stations like to interview - because he is full of grand ideas (rather than rigorously tested ones), more telegenic than most scientists, and because he would probably agree to just about any interview opportunity that might come up. He is a pretty open-minded guy - open to Cylon love, for instance.

Laura Roslin is an ENFJ (though one with a weak E). She tends to think big (eg. we have to make babies) though not always empirically (eg. her role as a religious figure). She is absolutely devoted to the rightness of her cause, and thinks she is quite literally the messiah. Her commitment to ideals causes her to butt heads with the fleet - except with Lee Adama. Even then, Lee Adama has very different kinds of scruples than Roslin - he wants to do the right thing, she wants to serve the right cause (

( Show Spoiler )

so she was okay with rigging an election

).

Some quick hits:

Tom Zarek: ENTJ
Gaete: ISTJ
Chief Tyrell: ISTP
Number 6: ENFJ
Starbuck: ESTP (she is probably my least favourite character)

Recurrent conflicts in the show:
Army vs. government (ST vs. NF)
Lee Adama vs. William Adama (ST vs. SF)
Tigh vs. Starbuck (SJ vs. SP)

( Show Spoiler )

pro-human Cylons vs. non pro-human Cylons (NF vs. NT)

(We seriously under-type people as S's, even though they are 70% of the population and probably an even higher percentage of movie characters, since studio execs like characters people can relate to. Sensors are probably even more common in military shows (since thinking in the "here and now" is valuable there, and since the military hierarchy is rooted very much in seniority, ie. Si). Its time for some sensor affirmative action in these typing threads!).

[Shadowstar]

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Adama is not an INTJ. He is a quintessential ISTJ guardian type (if not that, he may be an ISFJ). He is a curmudgeon who is stuck in the old ways (for instance, refusing to have computers on the Galactica); who stubbornly insisted on following his orders (eg. we have to go fight the Cylons, even though we will certainly die and all of humanity has been wiped out). He is a great commander, but this comes from his experience (in D&D terms, Adama would have a decent intelligence but a wisdom of like 20), his caution, and his quiet ability to inspire (he is sort of George Washington or Robert E. Lee - an ISTJ and ISFJ respectively - in how he leads by being a personal example of restraint). He may have been a different type when he was younger though (possibly an ESTP). Lee Adama is an ESFJ, which is why he constantly butts heads with his dad. ESFJ's have extremely strong systems of values (probably the strongest of any type) - Lee Adama reflects this in his constant (and annoying) insistence that the Galactica must do the "right" thing. He is usually very small picture too - the ends don't justify the means. Colonel Tigh is a classic ESTJ. Nothing gives him more pleasure than ripping into people below him. He has a very low Fe too - he never considers the human cost of anything, which is why he was such a poor commander. He is great at leading during the battle itself, but not a peacetime leader. At the same time, his absolute respect of the chain of command suggests J-ness to me. As is his respect for certain implicit rules. ( Show Spoiler ) Such as when he kills his wife. Gaius Balthar is an ENTP. He is sort of the classic scientist that news stations like to interview - because he is full of grand ideas (rather than rigorously tested ones), more telegenic than most scientists, and because he would probably agree to just about any interview opportunity that might come up. He is a pretty open-minded guy - open to Cylon love, for instance. Laura Roslin is an ENFJ (though one with a weak E). She tends to think big (eg. we have to make babies) though not always empirically (eg. her role as a religious figure). She is absolutely devoted to the rightness of her cause, and thinks she is quite literally the messiah. Her commitment to ideals causes her to butt heads with the fleet - except with Lee Adama. Even then, Lee Adama has very different kinds of scruples than Roslin - he wants to do the right thing, she wants to serve the right cause ( ( Show Spoiler ) so she was okay with rigging an election ). Some quick hits: Tom Zarek: ENTJ Gaete: ISTJ Chief Tyrell: ISTP Number 6: ENFJ Starbuck: ESTP (she is probably my least favourite character) Recurrent conflicts in the show: Army vs. government (ST vs. NF) Lee Adama vs. William Adama (ST vs. SF) Tigh vs. Starbuck (SJ vs. SP) ( Show Spoiler ) pro-human Cylons vs. non pro-human Cylons (NF vs. NT) (We seriously under-type people as S's, even though they are 70% of the population and probably an even higher percentage of movie characters, since studio execs like characters people can relate to. Sensors are probably even more common in military shows (since thinking in the "here and now" is valuable there, and since the military hierarchy is rooted very much in seniority, ie. Si). Its time for some sensor affirmative action in these typing threads!).

I'm going to disagree with your assertation of William Adama being a ISTJ.
As a Admiral, Adama is a master tactician. He is able to consistantly create plans of action that result in his victory time and time again, despite having a significant disadvantage in almost every case. A few examples would be, the rescue of New Caprica, the destruction of the Ressurection hub, the rescue of Hera, and subsequent destruction of the Colony Ship.
A ISTJ, while certainly very firm on "by the book" military doctrine, is certainly not a master tactician.

You mentioned he is a great commander because of his military experience. He actually does not have much military experience in terms of battle. He fought as a viper pilot, and his big mission as a Battlestar Commander to go behind enemy lines resulted in failure. In fact that was the reason he was on the old Battlestar Galactica in the first place. His military experience was nothing compared to say, Admiral Helena Cain, who I would argue is a ISTJ. She did not see the big picture, and she did everything by the book. To a fault in both cases.

INTJ tacticians like Hannibal, Caesar Augustus and Peter the Great are much closer in persona to Adama, than George Washington or H.W. Bush.

In my opinion a ISTJ would have actually attacked the Cylons mindlessly following the destruction of the colonies, however he didn't.

William Adama, is superb at planning things in the future tense. So much so that he misses things in the present, like the mutiny happening right under his nose. A ISTJ would have noticed that as well, I can see how a INTJ focusing on the future would miss something of that nature.

INTJ persons place great trust in people they allow to be close to them, like his CIC crew members. It is not very common place for a INTJ to dwell on relationships of people very close to them, because they trust them implicintly. That is one reason why INTJs suck hard at relationships. We think everything is just fine, and go off into our future mode of thinking. Meanwhile I Sensor, would focus very much on their family. The strife between him and his son is another good example of why he is not a ISTJ. A ISTJ places great importance on running things smoothly and keeping friends and family happy. Adama makes up his mind, and that is it, a ISTJ will often be manipulated by friends and family.

A ISTJ is not a natural leader, and often find themselves become leaders when they would rather not be. George Washington is another good example here. He rose to the occasion, but quickly wanted nothing to do with being President or King. The INTJ is a natural born leader, Adama used his marriage to arrange for himself to be reinstated to the Military. He wanted very much to be a leader.

The INTJ's interest in dealing with the world is to make decisions, express judgments, and put everything that they encounter into an understandable and rational system, Adama excels at this. The reason he had so much trouble over his son Zak's death was because he could not rationalize it, until Starbuck told him the truth (that she passed him even though he was unqualified).

I think you have fallen for the typical stereotype of the INTJ, and see Adama as rigid and set in his ways, which is not the case.

When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, such as over-drinking. They may also tend to become absorbed with minutia and details that they would not normally consider important to their overall goal.

Did you notice towards the end of the show how much Adama turned to drinking? Remember the flashbacks? He was under a tremendous amount of stress, and did what? He turned to over drinking.

Not every INTJ is a scientist, i'm not. I'm much more military minded. I'm in the management field because I am very good at strategizing and planning. Adama and I have a tremendous amount in common as far as character traits are concerned. In fact I married a ENFJ, even though we often confused the living hell out of each other. She was still my Roslin =).

I for the most part would agree with most of your typing. Roslin was a ENFJ for certain. God is super important to a ENFJ, but they often do not lead in God situations. Roslin was very much a ENFJ in that aspect, she did not choose to lead, but placed great importance on God(s).

I don't like starbuck either
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Lee adama is a pussy and a idealist. I would't get along with him either if I was his father.

Gaeta is a dreamer, and is easily manipulated by Zarek, who is definetely a ENTJ.

Number 6 is not a ENFJ. She is a ESFJ obsessed with God. She has almost zero understanding of her God, unlike a ENFJ who would understand and study their God(s). She just blindly follows her God, with no understanding or reasoning. (I added some of your sensor affirmitive action here! )

The military at the top is not ST, it is NT. Low level military officers and enlisted are ST however. All high level strategy and adaptation is formulated by NT persons. I am amazing at all strategy games that are not ultra fast paced. A sensor would beat me in a twitch game, or a very fast paced real time strategy game like command and conquer. I rape people in Supreme Commander, Sins of a Solar Empire, Risk; anything involving a massive overall strategy, as opposed to small quick combat.

[eternaltriangle]

As a Admiral, Adama is a master tactician. He is able to consistantly create plans of action that result in his victory time and time again, despite having a significant disadvantage in almost every case. A few examples would be, the rescue of New Caprica, the destruction of the Ressurection hub, the rescue of Hera, and subsequent destruction of the Colony Ship. A ISTJ, while certainly very firm on "by the book" military doctrine, is certainly not a master tactician. You mentioned he is a great commander because of his military experience. He actually does not have much military experience in terms of battle. He fought as a viper pilot, and his big mission as a Battlestar Commander to go behind enemy lines resulted in failure. In fact that was the reason he was on the old Battlestar Galactica in the first place. His military experience was nothing compared to say, Admiral Helena Cain, who I would argue is a ISTJ. She did not see the big picture, and she did everything by the book. To a fault in both cases. 1. Master tactician, not master strategist. Adama's strategy was a horrible one (fight the Cylons). Secondly, having a skill does not imply N or S - how you use that skill does. I gave two good examples of sensors (Robert E. Lee and George Washington) who were excellent tacticians. 2. Firstly, Cain survived a lot more combat with the Cylons (because she didn't run from them), and is almost certainly the better general. Moreover she is not by the book at all. She tortured a 6 for her own purposes, and shot her X-O in front of the crew. She is a particularly brutal ENTJ whose problem was a empathy, not being too textbook. 3. Adama rarely has military victories against the Cylons. His usual approach is to hold off the Cylons long enough for a retreat. He isn't very innovative either, and does more or less the same thing each time. He is very lucky he has excellent pilots like Starbuck. He does sometimes show cunning, I will grant, but it isn't entirely clear how he arrives at his cunning plans. 4. Your strongest point is that he lacks military experience. Si isn't just experience though, it is also the application of past data. Related to point 3, we know that Adama is a big reader and studier. It is plausible that in addition to being more experienced than his other crew members, he is very well-versed in military history.   INTJ tacticians like Hannibal, Caesar Augustus and Peter the Great are much closer in persona to Adama, than George Washington or H.W. Bush. Not at all. Firstly, Adama never craved power like Hannibal and Caesar Augustus - both of whom where challengers by nature who craved power and took risks. Adama accepted the existing order, and is extremely prudent. H W. Bush was in a different role than Adama, so a comparison is hard. However, he - an ISTJ - did manage to engineer an overwhelming victory, whereas the INTJ planners of the second war in Iraq (like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz) screwed the pooch big-time.   In my opinion a ISTJ would have actually attacked the Cylons mindlessly following the destruction of the colonies, however he didn't. But he wanted to, and had to be persuaded otherwise by Roslin.   William Adama, is superb at planning things in the future tense. So much so that he misses things in the present, like the mutiny happening right under his nose. A ISTJ would have noticed that as well, I can see how a INTJ focusing on the future would miss something of that nature. Fe is how you catch a mutiny - Adama does not have a good sense of the human cost of pushing the crew in the way that he does. This is something shared by ISTJ's and INTJ's (though - debating hat off - I like this argument).   INTJ persons place great trust in people they allow to be close to them, like his CIC crew members. It is not very common place for a INTJ to dwell on relationships of people very close to them, because they trust them implicintly. That is one reason why INTJs suck hard at relationships. We think everything is just fine, and go off into our future mode of thinking. Meanwhile I Sensor, would focus very much on their family. The strife between him and his son is another good example of why he is not a ISTJ. A ISTJ places great importance on running things smoothly and keeping friends and family happy. Adama makes up his mind, and that is it, a ISTJ will often be manipulated by friends and family. A submissive ISTJ maybe, but ISTJ's have exactly the same feeling-type preferences as INTJ's. They have an opposite problem with relationships - they get too caught up in the details of their work. Because they are all about responsibility, their jobs come first.   A ISTJ is not a natural leader, and often find themselves become leaders when they would rather not be. George Washington is another good example here. He rose to the occasion, but quickly wanted nothing to do with being President or King. The INTJ is a natural born leader, Adama used his marriage to arrange for himself to be reinstated to the Military. He wanted very much to be a leader. Number of ISTJ presidents: 5 George Washington Andrew Johnson Benjamin Harrison Herbert Hoover George H. W. Bush Number of INTJ presidents: 0 INTJ's are not natural leaders.   The INTJ's interest in dealing with the world is to make decisions, express judgments, and put everything that they encounter into an understandable and rational system, Adama excels at this. The reason he had so much trouble over his son Zak's death was because he could not rationalize it, until Starbuck told him the truth (that she passed him even though he was unqualified).   I think you have fallen for the typical stereotype of the INTJ, and see Adama as rigid and set in his ways, which is not the case. Well sure - typing is an application of stereotypes.   When under a great deal of stress, the INTJ may become obsessed with mindless repetitive, Sensate activities, such as over-drinking. They may also tend to become absorbed with minutia and details that they would not normally consider important to their overall goal. So whenever Adama does something that looks like a sensor it is because he is stressed? Why can't it be the other way around. Anyhow, I am inclined to thing that Adama is an ISTJ, but one with some strong intuiting abilities nonetheless. Not everybody is a 100% N or S.   Did you notice towards the end of the show how much Adama turned to drinking? Remember the flashbacks? He was under a tremendous amount of stress, and did what? He turned to over drinking. I have only seen the first three seasons - I prefer to watch them on DVD, and haven't gotten around to buying them.   Not every INTJ is a scientist, i'm not. I'm much more military minded. I'm in the management field because I am very good at strategizing and planning. Adama and I have a tremendous amount in common as far as character traits are concerned. In fact I married a ENFJ, even though we often confused the living hell out of each other. She was still my Roslin =). This I understand - as I am not a scientist either. I am in the world of academia because I like thinking about broad systems. My girlfriend is an ISTJ, so eeew I'm dating Edward James Olmos. I for the most part would agree with most of your typing. Roslin was a ENFJ for certain. God is super important to a ENFJ, but they often do not lead in God situations. Roslin was very much a ENFJ in that aspect, she did not choose to lead, but placed great importance on God(s). I don't like starbuck either To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Lee adama is a pussy and a idealist. I would't get along with him either if I was his father. Gaeta is a dreamer, and is easily manipulated by Zarek, who is definetely a ENTJ. Number 6 is not a ENFJ. She is a ESFJ obsessed with God. She has almost zero understanding of her God, unlike a ENFJ who would understand and study their God(s). She just blindly follows her God, with no understanding or reasoning. (I added some of your sensor affirmitive action here! )

I can definitely agree with most of this - I like those typings.

The military at the top is not ST, it is NT. Low level military officers and enlisted are ST however. All high level strategy and adaptation is formulated by NT persons. I am amazing at all strategy games that are not ultra fast paced. A sensor would beat me in a twitch game, or a very fast paced real time strategy game like command and conquer. I rape people in Supreme Commander, Sins of a Solar Empire, Risk; anything involving a massive overall strategy, as opposed to small quick combat.

I think the problem the military has is that ST's do better at the beginning, even though they may want NT's at the top. The best strategists don't always get the top jobs.

PS: I definitely empathize regarding those damned RTS's. I can't micromanage for beans. My problem in Risk is that people assume I am out to get them. People just can't trust us INTJ's!

[Shadowstar]

I'm not going to quote so I don't destroy the page =)

I think we both make good arguments. I'm a total BSG nerd, have watched every episode, most more than once. I was heavy into the science aspect, and such. I was also very big on theorizing what would happen, and who would do what. I found I thought very much along the same lines as the character Adama. Of course it is fiction, and in fiction it is hard to have a character stay 100% of any type.

So as a concession, I would say Adama is a INTJ with some ISTJ tendencies
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One quick thing I wanted to clarify, US popular elected presidents are leaders yes, but not in the same manner as a military leader. So you are correct, I was not specific about what type of leader Adama is!

Well at least we both like the show!

I agree with Risk. Everyone things i'm out to get them, so they team up on me. And still lose. =)

[Indubitably]

Adama as an ISTJ? Doesn't make sense, an ISTJ would never break the rules, and rather than becoming more flexible because the fate of his race was on the line it would become even more important to him to uphold his dedication to tradition and orthodoxy until the day he died, so that humanity could "go out with it's head held high".

Adama seems much more like an INTJ than an ISTJ to me, and far more like an ENTJ than INTJ. He's just too eager to get out there with his men and to address the fleet personally, not to mention involve himself in politics. An INTJ commander would be working far more behind the scenes, orchestrating the fleet's maneuvers, letting political intrigue play itself out as his agents quietly give things a gentle nudge in the direction best suiting his plans. Sure he sits by himself and reads some times, but even extroverts need a little time to themselves from time to time, especially when they live on what is effectively a big submarine in outer space.

[Kisai]

There is a first season episode whee Adama, Lee, & Tigh have Starbuck in the room to help them plan a strike on the Cylons because she, out of all of them, is the only one to "think outside the box". This suggests to me that the first three lean towards S and Starbuck leans towards N.

[coffeeholic]

I think Edward Cullen from Twilight is an INTJ....not sure though

[Shadowstar]

By think outside the box, they meant suicidal and batshit crazy, because they thought it would be a one way mission. Adama and Tigh are not use to planning missions that are designed to sacrifice men, that is not how military leaders think (good ones anyways). The idea is to make the bastard die for his country!

[heartland]

	Originally Posted by Aleph-One To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'll start with one of the best INTJ film/fiction characters ever. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I think his nemesis is also INTJ.

Other possible INTJ: Adam Kesher, the film director character in David Lynch's Mullholland Drive.

[eternaltriangle]

Adama seems much more like an INTJ than an ISTJ to me, and far more like an ENTJ than INTJ. He's just too eager to get out there with his men and to address the fleet personally, not to mention involve himself in politics. An INTJ commander would be working far more behind the scenes, orchestrating the fleet's maneuvers, letting political intrigue play itself out as his agents quietly give things a gentle nudge in the direction best suiting his plans. Sure he sits by himself and reads some times, but even extroverts need a little time to themselves from time to time, especially when they live on what is effectively a big submarine in outer space.

In typing him as an introvert I wasn't just thinking about his love of reading. I was also thinking about his social relationships - what is critical is that they are few (Tigh, Starbuck and Roslin are his only friends) and they are deep. Adama doesn't "work the room" - he doesn't have a lot of political connections either (despite being a very important guy). Secondly, he has a clear preference for one on one meetings. He does talk to others about his plans, but even then he only has a few staff members in and it is clear that he comes to those meetings with a plan in hand most of the time. In other words he has concocted his plans in quiet contemplation.


(I figure there is enough on the N vs. S debate - though I think you underestimate the capacity for inflexibility of INTJ's. ISTJ's are prisoners of what has worked in the past, but INTJ's are prisoners of their own theories - that's Ni. Adama is pretty flexible in that regard)

[JohnDoe]

	Originally Posted by Phantomgtox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't like starbuck either To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

How can you not like starbuck? Shes the best damn character on there!

	Starbuck: ESTP (she is probably my least favourite character)

How the hell do you get Starbuck as ESTP?

Ok first off, I haven't seen the BSG season 4.5, so please no 4.5 spoilers! Waiting for the damn dvd's to come out. Starbuck - INFJ -- Ok, I know this is kind of counter intuitive, but I think the N is obvious, the J is obvious, the F comes from the whole Leoban/Swirly painting thingy substory. Remember her stealing the raider to grab the arrow? I mean seriously, ESTP? What? And she was known for her strategic brilliance at coming up with out of the box thinking. Definitely strong on intuition.

Lee - ESFJ? Seems like a very by his morals guy. Doesn't really like using intuition.

Adama - INTJ

	Roslin was a ENFJ for certain.

Agree.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by Phantomgtox To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Adama and Tigh are not use to planning missions that are designed to sacrifice men, that is not how military leaders think (good ones anyways).

*facepalms*

[Shadowstar]

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	*facepalms*

Here are a few battles you may or may not be familiar with that resulted in either victory, or extreme casualties on a numerically and usually logistically superior enemy.

1. Battle of New Orleans
2. Battle for Baltimore
3. Chancellorsville
4. Marines on Guadalcanal
5. Battle for San Jacinto
6. The Alamo
7. Battle of Britain
8. Battle of Thermopalie
9. 1991 Iraq Operation Desert Storm
10. 2003 Invasion of Iraq

So what exactly does your facepalm mean? My point is that a good General can defeat a superior foe, your facepalm infers that you disagree.

I hope you know your military history, because it is one of my areas of expertise. Do yourself a favor and don't quote wikipedia when making your defensive statement.

Your serve.

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[spiritdetectivegirl]

	Originally Posted by coffeeholic To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think Edward Cullen from Twilight is an INTJ....not sure though

I think he may well be a Introvert, but not a INTJ--his moods and emotions change on the fly; almost bipolar even.

[Stratego]

	Originally Posted by SummerSky To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What about the "Jane Eyre" characters? I guess Jane is rather an INFJ, but isn't Rochester a INTJ? I'm not sure about the I, he could also be an ENTJ... And does anyone know the Artemis Fowl series? I think he makes a good INTJ.

I agree, Artemis is an INTJ; Holly is probably an INTP; Foaly...hmmm...perhaps also an INTP, though he's close enough to an INTJ. Butler: ENTP.

[porousshield]

I haven't read the book in a while but Rochester didn't stike me as particularily introverted. He seems to be flakey and passoniate too, neither of which I can see being part of an INTJ.

Anyone read Downbelow Station? Signy Mallory seems to be INTJ. She's very efficient, tactically brilliant, reserved, and many characters speak of her being rather cold. Also, she begins to challenge the leardership when she thinks they are not doing a good enough job.