[spiritdetectivegirl]

	Originally Posted by Santana28 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Scar, from the Lion King!!! mwoohahaha... my favorite villain

This is a little off topic but humor me if you will.

Are you saying that Scar is one of your favorite INTJ villains; or that he is just one of your favorite villains period?



Scar is also one of my favorite villains; Jeremy Irons really brought him to life.

[Freak]

How do you see Michael Corleone (The Godfather) ?

[Phrixos]

	Originally Posted by thod To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What would a movie made for INTJ's look like? Would an evil ESFP trying to take over the world between cuddling puppies be believable?

haha asif we would go see a movie.

[Richard0612]

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	haha asif we would go see a movie.

If they made that one [ESFP world-takeover] I'd certainly see it!

[errrzarrr]

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Typelogic dot com lists Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs) and Professor Moriarty (Sherlock Holmes) as INTJs. I can’t help but notice that, if these two villains fit the type so well, then so must Steerpike (Gormenghast), Orochimaru (Naruto), Iago (Othello), Sergey Petrovich Zinovyev (The Shooting Party), Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (Dune), Jon Irenicus (Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn), Mayuri Kurotsuchi (Bleach), Lucas Romer (Restless), Vicious (Cowboy Bebop), Johan Liebert (Monster), Muska (Laputa), Sir Humphrey Appleby (Yes Minister), Juliette (Histoire de Juliette ou les Prospérités du vice), The Underground Man (Notes from Underground), Patrick Bateman (American Psycho), Mr. Freeze (Batman), The Scarecrow (Batman) and so on and so forth; from popular culture (Orochimaru) to canonical fiction (Iago) INTJs frequently appear as either outright villains (Muska) or morally ambiguous (Sir Humphrey Appleby). Why is this? Perhaps I’m mistaken? My knowledge of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator in particular and Psychological Typing in general is limited. Perhaps many (or at least some) of these villains don’t fit the INTJ type? Maybe there are an equal number of heroic INTJs in fiction; I can think of a handful: Sherlock Holmes, Clarice Starling, L, Near, Gregory House and Uryū Ishida. Anyway, I would be interested in feedback on this odd correlation between INTJs and villains if, in fact, there is any such correlation.

I would vote YES. YOu mentioned Orochimaru as INTJ and I add Sazuke too as villian (and Kakachi too he is very quiet and deliberated but not villian). There's Mr. Burns on The simpsons too.

edit: Erm, on the GodFather Trilogy, there's Michael and Vito Corleone (both intj ). Powerful Masterminds of the mafia on US, able to do crime, influenciate, politics, senators, judges and lawyers and priests.





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Originally Posted by Richard0612 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Stop reading my mind! I actually had an idea for a story the other day which I may start writing [I might post it here eventually] where an organisation tries to rule the world through subliminal messages encouraging everyone to 'love each other' and 'love' this wacko leader. It works for 5 years until a group of scientists [read: INTJs] who escaped the brainwashing come up with a plan to stop the loonies. The corporation's plan has one fatal weakness: these 'mind messages' need to have their power increased every year as people become resistant to them. While the power is tinkered with, the shielding around the brainwashing satellites is down. The INTJs get a satellite into space to broadcast a 'shock' message waking up the populace and war ensues when this mad organisation tries to take contol by force. [Think INTJs vs ESFx!].

oooh that reminds me a very very good, but not popular movie. The protagonist Harrison Bergeron on the movie with the same name. I bet, he is INTJ!





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Some of the villains aren't really the bad guy if you think about it. They want to change the world and improve it. They're going to make changes for the good and then some asswhipe jumps in the way waving a magical sword around and fucks shit up. But it all depends on ones perspective and to what extreme you're going to do this. The F's don't believe the end ever justifies to means most of the time, but a T thinks that if the final result is a good one who cares how you got to it. But it does annoy me watching a villain of superior intelligence lose to some dumbshit who fights with brute strength [unless he/she's just random and unpredictable and wins that way]. I would like a series that's like a reversed Superman situation where the hero is smart as hell, but the villains ridiculously over powered and not stupid but not the brightest star in the sky either.

Yeah, those "villians" are almost ever very realistic, and percieved as sour persons.





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	Originally Posted by Richard0612 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If they made that one [ESFP world-takeover] I'd certainly see it!

That would be a humoristic one, very hilarious. Like those high school movies.

[DrEast]

	Originally Posted by Richard0612 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	If they made that one [ESFP world-takeover] I'd certainly see it!

Mayor, Season 3 of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. No?

[darkkodiak]

Well, if INTJs are usually villains then I consider that alright because it's usually the villain I remember in a story or movie and almost never the hero.

[airshiplogic]

I think it's the perceived view of INTJs being antisocial making them, at face value, villians.

[Uberfuhrer]

In mainstream American movies, INTJs do indeed tend to be villains. Because as a personality type, INTJ represents the complete opposite of American cultural values, which are largely ESFP. (This is possibly also why American INTJs can be very bitter people.)

It's also noteworthy that American movie villains also tend to be the more intellectually inclined than the hero.

On the other hand, more serious movies have tended to focus on an oppressive SJ authority that tries to limit the expansion of other temperamental values.

[Erika Redmark]

An INTJ as a supporting "good" character could be someone on the protagonists' side who is only minimally friendly to them personally, but they help each other out: like (surely there are better examples, but…) Erika Redmark from the computer game series Exile and Avernum. She's a powerful force for good, a reclusive archmage, who helps the heroes on their missions because their mission also furthers hers.

[aaakiii]

i haven't seen too many episodes of house, but from what i have seen, i think that i would agree with most of you and say that he's an intj.

anyway, what about miranda priestly (meryl streep's character) from "the devil wears prada"?

i think that she is a textbook case of an intj. she is very private, and needs to keep her personal and psychological space very quiet, which is indicative of an i. like when she attends parties (even her own) she will be there for the first 10 or 15 minutes, and then leave. she NEVER goes into details about anything, and she kind of just expects people to know what she is talking about. (ie; "get me that table at that store that i liked on Madison"). doesn't give a crap about what other people feel. and has a strong desire to be in control. apart from all of this, she also fiercely independent and does things however she wants them to be, and is also a strategist. an example of this is listed below. it's a spoiler, so if you haven't seen the movie and want to, you should skip over it. =)

**SPOILER**
there is this part in the movie where her boss is trying to find someone to replace her because of how much it costs to keep her at the helm of her magazine. i guess she anticipated this and throughout her career had been discovering new talent and catapulting their careers in exchange for their absolute loyalty to her. so she told her boss that the person who would be replacing her would be unsuitable for the job and gave him a list of the people (now at the top of their respective fields) who would follow her to wherever she went, thus making it quite impossible for the magazine to retain its prestige.
**END SPOILER**


i was also questioning what i thought her type was, because she runs a fashion magazine, and isn't fashion and the whole "finer things in life" thing more suited for "s" types?

any thoughts on this?

[PureWhispers]

I would agree that Miranda Priestly seems pretty INTJ-ish (and for what it's worth, Meryl Streep is an INTP). And while fashion is generally more often attributed to S types, I think her intuition outweighs the possibility. After all, she was completely on top of her game, particularly with her "planning ahead for the (inevitable) worst" as you pointed out.

[Thrifty]

	Originally Posted by spiritdetectivegirl To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Byakuya would seem to be a little more of an INTJ than Uchiha would, the only thing that's really fueling his drive is to get revenge, a deeply felt feeling. His brother, Itachi Uchiha seems to be more of a INTJ to me though.

Itachi Uchiha was INFJ, with an INTJ mask.

	Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think House is an ENTP.

House is INTJ. He seems ENTP in his behavior, but he is INTJ (something like 20-I 70-N 50-T 20-J)

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Hell, the formula of the show is: 1. Patient has mysterious illness. 2. House comes up with a Theory. 3. Theory is disproven. 4. Repeat steps 2 & 3 as desired. 5. House comes up with Wild Hunch. 6. Cuddy/patient/patient's family/police won't let House act on Wild Hunch. 7. House acts on Wild Hunch anyway. 8. Wild Hunch is proven correct. 9. House sits alone in the dark and plays piano/takes drugs/listens to music.

Yep, that basically spells out he is Ni + Te.


Another INTJ: the protagonist of Prison Break.

[NephilimAzrael]

Dream (Morpheus) from the Sandman comics is either INTJ or INFJ.
Destiny is an INTJ character.

Morpheus' personality:

He is sometimes slow when dealing with humor, occasionally insensitive, often self-obsessed, and is very slow to forgive or forget a slight.

Morpheus is consistently aware of his responsibilities, both those to other people and those that go with his territory. This trait makes him both dependable and fair-minded. It is implied that before his imprisonment he was in some ways crueler and more blind to his flaws.

He consistently strives for understanding of himself and of the other Endless, but is ultimately defeated by his most tragic flaw, his inability to accept change. As Lucien remarks in The Wake when asked (by Matthew, the raven) "Why did it happen? Why did he let it happen?", "Charitably...I think...sometimes, perhaps, one must change or die. And in the end, there were, perhaps, limits to how much he could let himself change."

[Markam]

Lord Havelock Vetinari, Patrician of Ankh-Morpork seems to ge INTJ.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by nemo To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I do too. But I do think Dr. Cox is NTJ, although I'm leaning to ENTJ for some reason. But it's hard to tell (and I think the Cox-House differences are telling if you dig deeply enough).

Dr. Cox, after accidently killing a familiar patient with a rabies-infected organ donation, left his job, went into his house, and preferred to be by himself. The hospital staff took turns coming to visit him. He did not talk to any of them for a week (or so).

The E/I dichotomy is one that extreme E's and I's overlook. It *isn't* related to how well you are at public speaking or how shy you feel to be. It is related to where you go to relax, the company of other people or by yourself or a few close friends. You can be a snarky, tirade-spewing introvert. You can even be a manager or a waiter or someone who deals with many people every day and still be an introvert.





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	Originally Posted by Jgib5328 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I always thought he was an INTP, but I guess he is an INTJ. I hate him though. Light is a much cooler character and he is also an INTJ. Since we're on the topic of anime. My favorite fictional character, Sesshoumaru is definitely an INTJ.

L isn't J about anything (except about handcuffing himself to Light, maybe). When Soichirou Yagami and the police disagree with his methods, he's perfectly content to let them do their own thing as long as they don't interfere with his investigation.

As for Light? Perhaps he's an INFJ gone horribly wrong? I say this because his motivation is to make a truly better moralistic world, rather than to rule or control it. He's also very motivated by his feelings throught the story, willing to kill anyone who gets one better on him.

Sesshoumaru is also defintely an INTJ.
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[Thrifty]

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L isn't J about anything (except about handcuffing himself to Light, maybe). When Soichirou Yagami and the police disagree with his methods, he's perfectly content to let them do their own thing as long as they don't interfere with his investigation. As for Light? Perhaps he's an INFJ gone horribly wrong? I say this because his motivation is to make a truly better moralistic world, rather than to rule or control it. He's also very motivated by his feelings throught the story, willing to kill anyone who gets one better on him.

L is almost a stereotypical INTP. The only part that doesn't quite fit with his character is when

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he reveals to Light that he knows Light has won and he is going to die, while he is drying his feet.

I think Light is INTJ. Some INTJs, particularly Enneagram 1's (called 'Reformer') , are very idealistic and would have attempted to do what he tried to do (get rid of the scum of the world, etc). These INTJs are very idealistic despite being NT. I'm pretty sure he is Ni + Te (He envisions plan [Ni] -> he creates plan [Te]).

[Wufnu]

I was going to say Inspector Javert from Les Miserables but looking it up online apparently he's been pegged as an ISTJ.

[intj5784]

what mbti would james bond be?

[LordMaiestas]

	Originally Posted by intj5784 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	what mbti would james bond be?

Morning for the action

Night for the fun

Definitely not a INTJ

[IgnoranceIsKind]

Does anyone watch Showtime's Dexter? After the first episode, the one thing that was immediate to me was that Dexter himself is an INTJ.

[moon]

	Originally Posted by IgnoranceIsKind To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Does anyone watch Showtime's Dexter? After the first episode, the one thing that was immediate to me was that Dexter himself is an INTJ.

Sure, started a little thread about
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[Thrifty]

	Originally Posted by intj5784 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	what mbti would james bond be?

I think James Bond is ISTP.

[Trym]

Cool thread.

Donnie Darko. Go, pick me apart.

[Thrifty]

	Originally Posted by Trym To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Cool thread. Donnie Darko. Go, pick me apart.

I would say INTJ. He seems to have Dominant Ni (he's very weird deep inside even if he doesn't appear, has visions, etc), His T is low though.