[Hotpckts]

This thread has something to do with Obama?

[Dodeca]

Most conspiracies fail or don't work. At best conspiracies end up being legal pyramid scams. The U.S.S.R. being a good example. Its more what society as a whole will accept to happen. Group dynamics does play a role.

[Night Runner]

	Originally Posted by Hotpckts To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anyone else think that since everyone seems to be freaking out about every little change in anything, (net neutrality, or switching to digital t.v. for example) that our society will become essentially frozen in time?

People have been "freaking out about every little change in anything" for thousands of years. I'm sure there were some prehistoric folk who were adamantly opposed to domesticating animals. It's not too different from the debates we have now. The only thing that ever changes is our props.

	Originally Posted by Hotpckts To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	remember that those individuals who cannot change, die.

As opposed to living forever?
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[zibber]

	Originally Posted by Dodeca To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Most conspiracies fail or don't work. At best conspiracies end up being legal pyramid scams. The U.S.S.R. being a good example. Its more what society as a whole will accept to happen. Group dynamics does play a role.

There is a conspiracy of sorts, but it is implicit and unquestioned. It's called capitalism. Big multinationals, banks and consortiums of all sorts have overwhelming political pull and their interests are actually blatantly put before those of the common man on a daily basis. (Most people tend not to notice or pay it much mind, as they are encultured with this system and are virtually incapable of questioning it.)

An example of how our wonderful capitalism relates to this topic (as I understand it; it isn't very coherent) is that data collected online is used to create profiles of people that advertisers can exploit. A very basic example is Google e-mail parsing your e-mails and using the results to decide which advertisements to show to you. There isn't actually a physical person collecting this data and extrapolating, but it is a rather disconcerting phenomenon.

[RedIrish]

I live in an area of Canada where a certain group of people still live without electricity or telephones and drive around in horse and buggies.

They seem to have missed the lesson that life moves on, with or without you.

There will always be people who refuse to accept change, who defy progress, and claim that the sky will fall, lightning will strike and god will smite you if the world does not stay exactly as it is this moment (or the way it was in some psuedo 1950s dreamscape). Over a century ago they called these same people luddites. Today we call them conservatives.

You can live in a world that is free of evidence based reality if you want, but it will never change the undlying fact that change happens, and the world goes on, and life continues, and if you get left behind it doesn't really matter to anyone.

[DavidHasselhoff]

	[A very basic example is Google e-mail parsing your e-mails and using the results to decide which advertisements to show to you. There isn't actually a physical person collecting this data and extrapolating, but it is a rather disconcerting phenomenon.

Take a look at this article from the most recent Fortune magazine:

To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

[Delarge]

I'm often amazed by the incoherence and sheer stupidity of some of the ideas people possess with respect to the global power structure. These individuals are often ironical too, in that they claim that those who question their hypotheses (or delusions) are dogmatic and brainwashed.

The complexity of the social world has arrived at a level that ordinary people simply cannot understand, and many resort to etiological myths. This parallels the myths/delusions created by our ancestors to "explain" natural phenomena in general.

[whitey]

Originally Posted by Delarge To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm often amazed by the incoherence and sheer stupidity of some of the ideas people possess with respect to the global power structure. These individuals are often ironical too, in that they claim that those who question their hypotheses (or delusions) are dogmatic and brainwashed. The complexity of the social world has arrived at a level that ordinary people simply cannot understand, and many resort to etiological myths. This parallels the myths/delusions created by our ancestors to "explain" natural phenomena in general.

Care to expand upon your first sentence? I find it amazing or disingenuous that people wouldn't expect there to be people who do what it takes to obtain, maintain, and increase power over others. WTF? There have always been people attempting just this. When did they CEASE to exist? Sheesh, I mean, some of the people on this forum has expressed just such desires. And yes there is plenty of attitude conditioning. To claim otherwise is ignorance or disingenuous. Maybe I need to cite the decades old studies which indicate the empirical evidence for the capacity to condition a neutral attitude to match that of a desired emotion. Those who parrot mainstream "psychiatrists" and "psychologists" are no different from the rest of the common masses.

[Delarge]

Originally Posted by whitey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Care to expand upon your first sentence? I find it amazing or disingenuous that people wouldn't expect there to be people who do what it takes to obtain, maintain, and increase power over others. WTF? There have always been people attempting just this. When did they CEASE to exist? Sheesh, I mean, some of the people on this forum has expressed just such desires. And yes there is plenty of attitude conditioning. To claim otherwise is ignorance or disingenuous. Maybe I need to cite the decades old studies which indicate the empirical evidence for the capacity to condition a neutral attitude to match that of a desired emotion. Those who parrot mainstream "psychiatrists" and "psychologists" are no different from the rest of the common masses.

I don't for a moment doubt that certain individuals experience an insatiable drive to dominate others. It's the specific power structures posited by paranoiacs that I find absurd.

We live in a world of competing interests at the level of the individual, the family, the local community, the ideology, the corporation, the religious institution, the state, the political party, et cetera. To suggest that most or all individuals with a large amount of influence possess uniform objectives and are working in concert while somehow avoiding detection, strikes me as naive.

I'd like to add that I do acknowledge the existence of conspiracies, humans are conspiratorial animals. However the ones that do exist and have existed are not nearly as all-encompassing as some would like to believe.

[whitey]

	Originally Posted by Delarge To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's the specific power structures posited by paranoiacs that I find absurd.

Would you care to name the "specific power structures posited by paranoiacs" or even just a few of them?

	Originally Posted by Delarge To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We live in a world of competing interests at the level of the individual, the family, the local community, the ideology, the corporation, the religious institution, the state, the political party, et cetera. To suggest that most or all individuals with a large amount of influence possess uniform objectives and are working in concert while somehow avoiding detection, strikes me as naive.

I don't think I've ever come across any one who's stated that ALL or MOST individuals with a large amount of influence "possess uniform objectives". The probabilities of this are incredibly slim; however, the probabilities that SOME individuals with influence "possess SOME overlapping objectives" (oh let's say...more power) is highly likely. This latter scenario is what some people treat like "alien abduction" (yeh bullshit and or drug induced) stories. It is my contention that this attitudinal response is the result of media conditioning in most cases and in a much smaller number of cases it is disingenuous and promoted as part of attitude shaping.

	Originally Posted by Delarge To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	However the ones that do exist and have existed are not nearly as all-encompassing as some would like to believe.

Have you invested large amounts of time researching conspiracies?

[Delarge]

Originally Posted by whitey To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Would you care to name the "specific power structures posited by paranoiacs" or even just a few of them? I don't think I've ever come across any one who's stated that ALL or MOST individuals with a large amount of influence "possess uniform objectives". The probabilities of this are incredibly slim; however, the probabilities that SOME individuals with influence "possess SOME overlapping objectives" (oh let's say...more power) is highly likely. This latter scenario is what some people treat like "alien abduction" (yeh bullshit and or drug induced) stories. It is my contention that this attitudinal response is the result of media conditioning in most cases and in a much smaller number of cases it is disingenuous and promoted as part of attitude shaping. Have you invested large amounts of time researching conspiracies?

I'm aware of overlapping individual interests, hence my mention of groups. The nonsense of Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche and David Icke is what I'm most familiar with. Make a proposition and I'll assess it.

[Il Prodigio]

I really don't think it is that hard to believe that some conspiracies could be true. People act like in history nothing shady or unethical has gone down at the expense of the general poor public at the hands of the rich and powerful.

It happens every single day in this country.
The top 1% of the population control something like upwards of 90% of the wealth.

That means that the rest of us average joes, have absolutely nothing to do with the state of the "economy". It means that the people that control all that wealth push buttons, make decisions and agreements and alter our future.

remember when gasoline cost around $4.00 a gallon? What happened? Supply sure as hell didn't go up, and demand sure as hell didn't go down. How was the price lowered? Does anyone follow me? It is fixed! its all about making capital. They pay a quarter for a gallon of gas in Venezuela. How can that be? The great America still pays upwards almost 3 dollars a gallon.

Look at the war in Iraq. The American government basically lied to everyone in the world as to their reasons for going there. Then after they sufficiently dismantled the country and completely got rid of any sort of remaining Iraqi government, they started to leak, "Sorry our bad, we really must have messed up. There was no connection between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. There were also no WMD's."

America is a country that has a defense & military budget that encompasses 48% of total military spending by all countries in the world. The second runner up country is a tie between Great Britain and China at 12% each. THAT is truly incredible, a deficit of 36 percent.

Now lets assume that military intelligence is included in defense & military spending. Do you really think the United States of America does not know what is going all over the world? Do you really think they could possibly mess up that bad? It is all planned. If you think its just a bunch of incompetent people in government I think that is just a way to cope. There are very sharp minds that work in government agencies all over the planet.

Its the same situation with the world trade center bombing...."Yeah,we had intelligence reports of it about a month earlier.....but Whooops!, sorry"

Yeah right give me a break, I'm not about to assume the most powerful country in the world is run like a bake-sale committee. Everything is calculated and happens for a reason.


These are all conspiracies, but if you simply look at facts.......what does it tell you?

[whitey]

	Originally Posted by Delarge To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm aware of overlapping individual interests, hence my mention of groups. The nonsense of Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche and David Icke is what I'm most familiar with. Make a proposition and I'll assess it.

I'm not in the business of offering proposals. I like to deal with facts.

"Would you care to name the "specific power structures posited by paranoiacs" or even just a few of them?"

I also asked if, "Have you invested large amounts of time researching conspiracies?"

You gave me a non-responsive answer in regard to both questions.

[Zelder]

I'm believer in some conspiracies. I like some of the stuff the G Edward Griffin has published. His book "The Creature from Jekyll Island" is very interesting. He avoids "theories" and sticks to the hard facts that are backed up with evidence. I have become convinced that there are some very powerfull forces working behind the scenes in this world.

For example: Mr Griffin video taped an interview with Norman Dodd who had been part a congressional investigation into the tax exempt foundations in 1953. Dodd found them to be extremely dirty. One of the things they had done was fund and create a historical accociation with the intent of having control over the way the history books are written.

David Rockefeller proudly amits in his autobiography (published 2002) that the acusations against him and his family being members of a secret cabal working to create a one world government is true.

[whitey]

Originally Posted by Zelder To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I'm believer in some conspiracies. I like some of the stuff the G Edward Griffin has published. His book "The Creature from Jekyll Island" is very interesting. He avoids "theories" and sticks to the hard facts that are backed up with evidence. I have become convinced that there are some very powerfull forces working behind the scenes in this world. For example: Mr Griffin video taped an interview with Norman Dodd who had been part a congressional investigation into the tax exempt foundations in 1953. Dodd found them to be extremely dirty. One of the things they had done was fund and create a historical accociation with the intent of having control over the way the history books are written. David Rockefeller proudly amits in his autobiography (published 2002) that the acusations against him and his family being members of a secret cabal working to create a one world government is true.

This is the heart of the issue. There are conspiracies which can be demonstrated by factual evidence (as is FREQUENTLY done in courts across the land) and there is this alternative notion which has been heavily promoted in the controlled media for decades which is called "conspiracy theory". The press implements behavioral attitude conditioning and conflate the two such that the average human reacts to just the word conspiracy as if it is the latter.

The Griffin work is exactly the kind of thing that the media attacks via this conflation. And I am aware of the Rockefellar quote. I even brought it up here:
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


But of course I was blown off with: "Gee, lock him up. "

Flippant responses and calling some one nuts does not support ones argument.


I'm still waiting to hear if Delarge actually invests serious time researching conspiracies in order to be able to make his wide ranging claims or if his wide ranging claims are based upon a superficial assessment and media attitude conditioning. I'm guessing the latter because of his non-responsive answer to a simple question. So really, how am I to take those comments seriously.

[Freedom Geek]

I don't believe in any crackpot theories due to the lack of good evidence presented.

One amusing thing is that there's a conspiracy theory that transhumanists like me have some evil mad scientist plot to take over the world and oppress humanity. Some days I wish it were true.

[BlackOp]

The term "conspiracy theory" is used as a catch-all to discredit legitimate questions. It's ad hominem used to lock critical analysis in a cell with the loons.

The head of the Nazi propaganda machine once said "If the lie is big enough...people will believe it".

[Zelder]

	Originally Posted by BlackOp To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The term "conspiracy theory" is used as a catch-all to discredit legitimate questions. It's ad hominem used to lock critical analysis in a cell with the loons. The head of the Nazi propaganda machine once said "If the lie is big enough...people will believe it".

I agree. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe in conspiracy facts. There are so many facts that if you are willing to look and study it, it becomes irrational not to believe it. I have come to believe that we live in the greatest era of propaganda and lies that the world has ever known. That being said I'm very optimistic about the future.

[Merc]

Yes I also find them interesting but unlikely.
Nevertheless it's really fun to listen to Coast to Coast AM now and then.
Just like a good sci fi story.

But there is one, well i wouldn't call it a conspiracy, that i believe in and that is Stay behind armies in Europe and Operation Gladio.

[Il Prodigio]

You know what is really crazy to think about?

The united states is arguably the most powerful country in the world. Other countries and people in other countries are definitely affected by this daily, however they get to see through everything from the outside looking in.

The scariest part is that I/we/some people are actualy IN the most powerful country. The MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY. Just think about those implications. The United States is powerful for a reason, and it has taken steps to assure this.

Who knows what I/We/Americans know to be true, because we are a part of the great machine, just not a part of the brain or the decision/strategy making machine.

Its like. We are part of this big robot or machine, and the brain is a bunch of ENTJ/INTJ telling everyone what to do/feel/how to think.

Im starting to believe George Orwell- 1984.

[Zsych]

The brains of the machine don't feel like any XNTJ to me. Seems like some retarded attempt to keep things running as they are and to try to make the masses happy when possible.

[d21]

	Originally Posted by Undead Bonzi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I shall offer rebuttal in the form of an applicable link to a popular web comic. The final three cells are the most relevant to your line of thinking. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

That comic is one big strawman argument. The character lamenting Idiocracy said a total of 23 words, while the snarky character says...well, I stop counting at 50 words and had a whole lot left to count. Talk about framing the discussion! The snarky character is the one that "seems to think they have it all figured out", not the Idiocracy lamentor. Which is a shame since the second character doesn't offer any sort of insight into any of their assertions. I refuse to even speak to people like that.

[elsdfr]

Did someone say conspiracy??... this video is my current fav.
To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


"Fall Of The Republic documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the US economy by design. Leaders are now declaring that world government has arrived and that the dollar will be replaced by a new global currency..."

[Night Runner]

	Originally Posted by elsdfr To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"Fall Of The Republic documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the US economy by design. Leaders are now declaring that world government has arrived and that the dollar will be replaced by a new global currency..."

Would that be the dollar, the yuan, the euro or the Brazilian real? Because it doesn't look like we're all about to merge them, hold hands around the world and start singing Kumbaya. Sorry to be blunt, but anyone who insists on there being a world government or all countries joining together overnight to form an Evil League of Evil and form death panels/kill all puppies/steal ours guns has no idea about the way international politics works...

[elsdfr]

Originally Posted by Night Runner To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Would that be the dollar, the yuan, the euro or the Brazilian real? Because it doesn't look like we're all about to merge them, hold hands around the world and start singing Kumbaya. Sorry to be blunt, but anyone who insists on there being a world government or all countries joining together overnight to form an Evil League of Evil and form death panels/kill all puppies/steal ours guns has no idea about the way international politics works...

No ones suggesting anything, it's just a juicy conspiracy.

They didn't manage to mention the Aliens though... I'd give it 10/10 if they had.

Here is the rest of the blurb if you're not going to watch it..

President Obama has brazenly violated Article 1 Section 9 of the US Constitution by seating himself at the head of United Nations' Security Council, thus becoming the first US president to chair the world body.

A scientific dictatorship is in its final stages of completion, and laws protecting basic human rights are being abolished worldwide; an iron curtain of high-tech tyranny is now descending over the planet.

A worldwide regime controlled by an unelected corporate elite is implementing a planetary carbon tax system that will dominate all human activity and establish a system of neo-feudal slavery.

The image makers have carefully packaged Obama as the world's savior; he is the Trojan Horse manufactured to pacify the people just long enough for the globalists to complete their master plan.

This film reveals the architecture of the New World Order and what the power elite have in store for humanity. More importantly it communicates how We The People can retake control of our government, turn the criminal tide and bring the tyrants to justice.