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Old 02-12-2008, 01:09 PM   #26
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Being an F doesn't always connote being emotional. As coffee put it, she is a teenager, and one in some extraordinary circumstances at that. Being an F is more about values than emotions. At least, that's how I understand it. These types are often more prone to be emotional, but Ts can be emotional people as well.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:24 PM   #27
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Lol I'm sorry, but how is Ron introverted? He is really outgoing and shows no sign or needing a lone time and shows no signs of introspection. I'd say Ron is an ESFP

How is Hermione an N and an E? She is clearly boxed in by the rules and convention (an S trait) and doesn't show much interest in the abstract. She's never really shown any interest in the abstract either? I'd say Hermione is an ISFJ, maybe an INFJ. Hermione also seems to be more reserved and quiet than most so she may be an I. She seems much more interested in her studies than other people. She maybe an E though.

How is Voldemort an ISTJ? He clearly is intuitive. He was able to develop a well thought out master plan for his future dominance over the world. He seemed to manipulate the rules rather than follow them. He has shown deep insight and that he is abstract by creating a wide variety of his own spells. You can even see his Fi, form the Horcruxes. They were all symbolic to him and had meaning. Voldemort is definitely an INTJ.

I've already stated why I thought Snape was an INTJ.

Sirius seems more like an F to me because he seems to be rather emotional.

Maybe I just haven't read HP in a long time. But I think Ron only appears extroverted because he has a huge family, and is forced to be around a lot of people all the time. There's a lot he thinks about that aren't always mentioned until certain times in the book... he doesn't always say everything he thinks about. In my memory, he seeks solitude when he's distraught...

I'll explain Hermione later...

Voldemort. Planning/strategizing isn't an intuitive thing. It's a J thing. There are lots of things he doesn't know about people... I guess you could still say he's an N, but he's definitely got a gaping hole in his intuitive spectrum.

Snape could be an INTJ, I'm on the fence about that one too.

About Sirius. I really don't think he would have been able to survive Azkaban if he was an F. Then again, he does do some stupid things because he's not level-headed enough.

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Old 02-12-2008, 03:10 PM   #28
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To me, the introvert/extrovert preference litmus test is how people react when they need to "recharge". When Ron is upset or worn out or listless, he seeks out people - his friends, his family, whoever. When Harry is, he shuns people to go be alone for a while. Ron is feeding energy off others; Harry is draining energy from being around others. That's how I see it, anyway.

Also, Ron is usually social, says funny things to entertain people, most comfortable in a crowd. That to me says extrovert.
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:29 PM   #29
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To me, the introvert/extrovert preference litmus test is how people react when they need to "recharge". When Ron is upset or worn out or listless, he seeks out people - his friends, his family, whoever. When Harry is, he shuns people to go be alone for a while. Ron is feeding energy off others; Harry is draining energy from being around others. That's how I see it, anyway.

Also, Ron is usually social, says funny things to entertain people, most comfortable in a crowd. That to me says extrovert.

That makes perfect sense... For some reason I have this image of Ron sulking alone in my head. Maybe I've just totally forgotten what the characters were like.

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who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.
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Old 02-12-2008, 06:16 PM   #31
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who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.

I could imagine Hermione being an E. She started clubs such as S.P.E.W. and D.A. She also in the very beginning of the book was the person who went around and spoke to people about Nevilles toad. In the same scene she went straight up to Harry and Ron stated her name and asked for theirs with no hesitation.

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Old 02-12-2008, 06:20 PM   #32
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Some more thoughts about Hermione's character:

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Rowling has stated that Hermione resembles her at a younger age, with her insecurity and fear of failure.

(...)

The daughter of two dentists, she is an overachiever who shows considerable academic prowess when compared to her close friends and classmates, and she is described by Rowling as a "very logical, upright and good" character. Her parents are "a bit bemused by their odd daughter, but quite proud of her all the same." Rowling says that Hermione feels "utterly inadequate…and to compensate, she tries to be the best at everything at school, projecting a false confidence that can irritate people." Hermione's Boggart is Professor McGonagall informing her that she failed her exams.

(...)

Hermione's most prominent feature is her cleverness. She is book smart and is very good with logic, as seen when she deciphers Severus Snape's potion challenge at the end of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Hermione does not do well at the beginning of the series in stressful situations, as seen when she does not think to use her wand when needing to create fire to get rid of the Devil's Snare. However, in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, she can quickly think of a place to apparate to. She also thinks to reveal Harry to the Death Eaters to save Xenophilius Lovegood and to use a Stinging Hex on Harry's face to hide his identity when attacked by Snatchers.

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Screenwriter Steve Kloves revealed in a 2003 interview that Hermione was his favourite character. "There's something about her fierce intellect coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how she affects people sometimes that I just find charming and irresistible to write.

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Old 02-12-2008, 07:17 PM   #33
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I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:51 PM   #34
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who disagrees with a lot of my assessments of the characters' types, but makes a good case for his arguments. Of course, he's using Keirsey, not MBTI, but he still has an interesting take on the subject.

For the record, I think that:
-Harry's an ISFP, not an ISTP. I don't disagree that he's an SP, but he's clearly an F, not a T.
-Hermione's probably an ISTJ, not an ESTJ. I don't really see much evidence of extroversion in Hermione. She seems to eschew social functions in favour of her alone time, mostly in the library. Then again, she could be an E that just doesn't demonstrate it much.
-Dumbledore is an NT, I agree, but he's clearly a J, not a P. I'd definitely peg him as an INTJ.

Sorry that guy is a retard, he was wrong on a lot of his stuff.

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Old 02-12-2008, 07:56 PM   #35
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I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.

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Old 02-15-2008, 08:35 PM   #36
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, this one tied into the houses being associated to the four elements frequently found in astrology:

 
Hogwarts is divided into four houses, for the four elements that make up the world according to astrology: fire, air, earth, and water. JK Rowling tells us that Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water.

According to astrology, the fire temperament shows itself in a drive for freedom and action, vitality, and generosity. It is the most daring of the elements. This sounds very much like Gryffindor, the house for the brave and bold, who perform brave deeds.

Earth is hard-working, practical and conventional. Astrology calls it the "common sense" temperament. This is Hufflepuff, for the loyal, hard workers not afraid of toil.

Ravenclaw is air, the temperament of intellectual pursuit and objective, unemotional logic. The Sorting Hat calls them the cleverest, the wise, and those with a ready mind.

And then, there is Slytherin.

In astrology, water is guided by emotion and intuitive knowledge or "hunches". This temperament values strong emotional bonds with others above all. How does this fit with the power-hungry, ambitious Slytherins, who will do anything to achieve their goals?

JK Rowling chose Water as the symbol for Slytherin, knowing what it stood for. I believe the water description fits, but it will require a different approach from the other houses. Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, and Hufflepuff were described positively. Slytherin's water temperament is put negatively.

Slytherins are me-first people. The Water temperament, grounded in subjective emotion and inexplicable hunches, starts from the self out. But the Slytherin doesn't get beyond the self. Other selves are just the material for working out their subjective goals.

Slytherins are cold people, ruled by their heads. Well, not exactly. Slytherins are in strong control of the expression of their emotions; this does not mean they are not guided by them. In fact, many Slytherins seem to be strongly guided by the emotions of hate and anger.

Slytherins are obsessed with purity of blood. Is this a perversion of the need for strong bonds with others? Has it been reduced to the ties of ancestry? And the Death Eaters have one of the strongest emotional bonds, fear, with Voldemort.

Why describe Slytherin in the negative?

First of all, the water temperament makes for great villains. Most in tune with emotions, the temperament best fitted to understanding others produces superb manipulators when the goal of that understanding is unlimited ambition rather than the good of everyone.

Secondly, to be guided by emotions is often depicted as being unable to reason clearly, or being flighty and unfocused. But lack of control and inability to reason are not inherent with this temperament, nor are they the biggest danger. JKR seems to say that it really comes down to choice: which emotions will you choose for your guide?

Lastly, this leaves an option for Slytherin to unite with the other houses without remaining "evil". Slytherin will always be dark, not in the sense of evil, but in the sense of hidden, because emotions and hunches do not arise out in the open. But a Slytherin guided by love instead of hate, able to connect with others in ways most other can't, with intuitive knowledge of what is hidden to others, could be a formidable ally.

Then maybe Slytherin will no longer be described in the negative. Perhaps the Sorting Hat will change its song, and Slytherin will be "the sages of the hidden and the masters of the human soul".

So we have:
Gryffindor = Fire
Hufflepuff = Earth
Ravenclaw = Air
Slytherin = Water

If we further associate the four elements to the four Keirsey types:
Fire = SP
Earth = SJ
Air = NT
Water = NF

This brings up a whole new range of possible typings for characters, if we consider that perhaps Jo Rowling intended her Slytherins to be sort of stunted, negatively-developed NFs instead of the widely-speculated SJs.

Look at the histories of Tom Riddle, Severus Snape, even Draco Malfoy. Are they really logical, calculating and cunning individuals at the core? Or are they, as the water association suggests, guided by stunted emotions? If Snape's driver is his love/infatuation for Lily, if Voldemort reacts emotionally to every situation (Harry always senses his joy and anger, not his thoughts) due to his childhood, if Malfoy is desperately trying to prove his worth to his father, are these not the mark of unhealthy NFs?

And is Jo Rowling really suggesting that Slytherins could have exhibited the positive qualities of NFs and redeemed themselves?

Hmmmmm.

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Old 02-15-2008, 09:25 PM   #37
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I don't understand why Snape's love for Lily somehow makes him an INFJ. He's VERY INTJ in the way he views and interacts with the world. Being a T doesn't make him incapable of loving or even obsessing. We're not robots.


What i have notices is that INTJ's can cross over with INFJ, so it is quite possible that T and F are a fine line, but both have to do with the mind, so thinking and emotion may not be to far apart.

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Old 02-18-2008, 02:42 PM   #38
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on the aforementioned elemental association:

 
Carl Jung studied alchemy. From them he refined some proposals of personality attitudes and functions. From Jung, Myers-Briggs based the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI), which retains some correspondences from alchemical elements:

Element Myers-Briggs (MBTI)
Water Intuitive-Feeling (NF)
Fire Sensing-Perceiving (SP)
Earth Sensing-Judging (SJ)
Air Intuitive-Thinking (NT)

And here's another interesting observation:

 
According to the Empedocles, a Greek philosopher, scientist and healer who lived in Sicily in the fifth century B.C., all matter is comprised of four "roots" or elements of earth, air, fire and water. Fire and air are outwardly reaching elements, reaching up and out, whereas earth and water turn inward and downward.

Of course, the Slytherin and Hufflepuff common rooms are downstairs (dungeons, under the kitchens) and the Ravenclaw and Gryffindor common rooms are up in the towers. As Rowling herself has admitted to designing the common rooms after each house's element, this is certainly no accident.

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Old 02-19-2008, 01:11 AM   #39
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:48 PM   #40
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May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.
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May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.

Fred & George are either ENFP or ESFP, I don't see McGonagall as an E, but I dunno. Molly Weasley is definitely a ESFJ. Percy isn't extroverted, he is an ISTJ or INTJ, but more likely an ISTJ.

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May I just add a few more characters to the list? Fred and George-- I believe that all can agree that the twins are ENFP. And McGonagall as an ENTJ. And Molly Weasley must be an ESFJ. Percy Weasley is obviously ESTJ. Remus Lupin might be INFP. Hagris is a definite ISFJ. Wow, cameos are much easier to type; it must be their rather one-sided, static personality.

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Fred & George are either ENFP or ESFP, I don't see McGonagall as an E, but I dunno. Molly Weasley is definitely a ESFJ. Percy isn't extroverted, he is an ISTJ or INTJ, but more likely an ISTJ.

The twins could be ENTP, as they are extremely inventive. They aren't quite so emotional as an FP type, though they seem more ESFP than ENFP. However, they have more discipline than FPs, so I'm going to still stick with ENTP for them. I think Percy and Mr. Weasley are both ISTJ, though Mr. Weasley has an N-ish non-conformist streak in him. Hagrid seems more scattered than an ISFJ, I'd say ISFP for him.

Of course, they are very fluid characters who change to fit the plot, so it's easy to argue MBTI types for literary characters unless the author plans them to be one way, and one way only. I think the author would have to have a deep, working knowledge of MBTI to successfully portray a character as a consistent type.

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The twins could be ENTP, as they are extremely inventive. They aren't quite so emotional as an FP type, though they seem more ESFP than ENFP. However, they have more discipline than FPs, so I'm going to still stick with ENTP for them. I think Percy and Mr. Weasley are both ISTJ, though Mr. Weasley has an N-ish non-conformist streak in him. Hagrid seems more scattered than an ISFJ, I'd say ISFP for him.

Of course, they are very fluid characters who change to fit the plot, so it's easy to argue MBTI types for literary characters unless the author plans them to be one way, and one way only. I think the author would have to have a deep, working knowledge of MBTI to successfully portray a character as a consistent type.

Oh yeah ENTP def for the twins. I said ESFP because they seem to be the party types who like to have a lot of fun, but ENTPs are like that too. I thought Hagrid was an ESFP, but I guess he could be introverted. He is def an SFP though regardless.

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I took a several 'sorting hat quizzes' and I'm usually Slytherine or Ravenclaw. I'd say I'm a combination of both. I have Slytherin's cunning and ambition and Ravenclaw's intellectual-craze.

As for the more controversial characters, my personal judgments are:

Snape - INTJ
Dumbledore - INTJ
Voldemort/Riddle - INTJ
Harry - ISFP
Hermione - ISTJ
Ron - ESFP (Is that why I can't stand him?)
Twins - ENTP
Percy - ISTJ
McGonagall - ISTJ
Draco - ESTP

Entirely debateable
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I took a several 'sorting hat quizzes' and I'm usually Slytherine or Ravenclaw. I'd say I'm a combination of both. I have Slytherin's cunning and ambition and Ravenclaw's intellectual-craze.

As for the more controversial characters, my personal judgments are:

Snape - INTJ
Dumbledore - INTJ
Voldemort/Riddle - INTJ
Harry - ISFP
Hermione - ISTJ
Ron - ESFP (Is that why I can't stand him?)
Twins - ENTP
Percy - ISTJ
McGonagall - ISTJ
Draco - ESTP

Entirely debateable
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I just think Hermione is ISFJ. She seems too sensitive and is influenced a lot by here feelings.

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I just think Hermione is ISFJ. She seems too sensitive and is influenced a lot by here feelings.

But I saw her more 'major' decisions influenced by her thoughts. Even I let my emotions influence my minor decisions. She's very sensitive, yes... Which might put her as ISFJ. You know, I think it's very convincing that Ron's ESFP, but I just can't figure out for the life of me, being such a strong F, he can still manage to be so emotionally insensitive.

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But I saw her more 'major' decisions influenced by her thoughts. Even I let my emotions influence my minor decisions. She's very sensitive, yes... Which might put her as ISFJ. You know, I think it's very convincing that Ron's ESFP, but I just can't figure out for the life of me, being such a strong F, he can still manage to be so emotionally insensitive.

He is def ESP, he is more fun loving though so he could be an ESFP. He could just be really underdeveloped as a person, he has that 'caring for others' F thing going though, even if he can be emotionally insensitive. Most of the times it's because he is offended by what others do. Like when he was mean to Hermione because she was going to the ball with Viktor Crum. Also his hissy fit with Harry about him thinking Harry lied to him.

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Now let me analyze my favorite character: Draco Malfoy :P It's actually Tom Riddle, but he's just too... 'deranged' to be analyzed normally.

 
ESTPs are spontaneous, active folks. Like the other SPs, ESTPs get great satisfaction from acting on their impulses. Activities involving great power, speed, thrill and risk are attractive to the ESTP. Chronic stifling of these impulses makes the ESTP feel "dead inside."

Spontaneous, sure. Thrill... He likes quidditch? I don't think he's as restless as the last sentence describes though.

 
Gamesmanship is the calling card of the ESTP. Persons of this type have a natural drive to best the competition. Some of the most successful salespersons are ESTPs. P.T. Barnum ("Never give a sucker an even break") illustrates the unscrupulous contingent of this type.

He's been trying to beat Harry for years at Quidditch. Not sure about him being a salesman.

 
Almost unconsciously the ESTP looks for nonverbal, nearly subliminal cues as to what makes her quarry "tick." Once she knows, she waits for just the right time to trump the unsuspecting victim's ace and glory in her conquest. Oddly enough, the ESTP seems to admire and respect anyone who can beat her at her own game.

He does know to hit where it hurts and he's successful most of the time, and would have always succeeded if Hermione didn't restrain Harry.

 
"If I was any better, I couldn't stand it!" To an ESTP, admission of weakness feels like failure. He admires strength in himself and in others.

The whole thing about pretending to be strong and trying cruciatus on Harry when he was found crying
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"Shock effect" is a favored technique of this type to get the attention of his audience. ESTPs love to be at center stage, demonstrating feats of wonder and daring.

Jealous of Harry's fame, showing off for Pansy etc

 
These are the ultimate realists. Extraverted Sensors are at one with objects and experiences now, in the only living, pulsing moment that ever really exists. The Sensor is compelled to see, touch, taste, smell and feel all that moves, wafts, tingles, tinkles, scintillates, vibrates or resonates.

Tend to be short-sighted, does not see the consequences of joining Voldemort. Goes for cheap thrills and momentary 'glory'.

 
The ESTP preference for mental, physical and emotional toughness surely can be traced to this detached, rational function.

He's tough... Or he tries to be.

 
Though only a minor character, Feeling plays an important role in a favorite pastime of ESTPs. This is not to say that ESTPs don't care deeply for others, yet Feeling is such a ready hand-puppet, expedient in disarming the "victim" and exposing the jugular. Sincere Feeling is tertiary and thus relatively simplistic in this type. As such, it can be the undoing of ESTPs at the hands of those they (perhaps unconsciously) come to trust.

He's quite emotionally shallow and even though he cares deeply for his parents, he does not show it.

 
In the inferior (fourth) position, intuition may be virtually absent much of the time. Haziness of inner, symbolic vision is the psychic price of the clarity of sensory awareness. As do other SPs, ESTPs reserve a certain "gut" sense of timing and luck. When repression and stress empower the Shadow, it likely finds expression through intuition in stereotypic perceptions of groups and individuals whom it perceives and hostile or hurtful.

Virtually absent... I see that 'hole' of intuition in him. He clearly lacks it.

He's a relatively minor character and we don't have insights into his psyche as we do Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny etc. Because he does not hang around Harry, and the plot is centered around Harry, we see a little of his 'real' personality (except for the episode in the train, but he was clearly acting and showing off, perhaps reflecting the ESTP need to be on the 'center stage'). I think, based on limited exposures, it'd be safe to conclude that he's ESTP.

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Old 05-09-2008, 08:15 AM   #49
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I love this thread and it seems like a very good opportunity to practice personality typing, so here goes...

Harry : ISFP
As an ISFP his dominant function would be Fi which fits very well I think. People with Fi as dominant are supposed to be very accepting of others (Harry hangs out with a gang of misfits). While most people will not know them intimately (hardly anybody around Harry really knows what he's going through), an Fi dominant person tends to know a lot about the personal problems of others without being told. I guess some of what Harry gets to know is by chance - like finding out the story of Neville's parents before anyone else. But there are some things, especially as he matures, which clearly come from within him - in book7 he summarizes Lupin's insecurities very accurately, in book6 he notices Draco's tension whilst others seem to be blind to it. Finally, one of the most important qualities of Fi is having very strong, non-negotiable moral values (there may be few of them, but what's there is extremely strong) and I think this is the core of Harry, isn't it? That's why despite all the similarities to Voldemort that he has, Voldemort cannot sway him - Dumbledore repeatedly touches upon Harry's moral integrity.
I'm a little less sure of the auxiliary function. I liked the argument that as a Quidditch player Harry would have had to have strong Se - it makes a lot of sense, so I'm going with that
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And I think Harry generally seems to be very perceptive of his environment in a very sensory way. But I can see the N argument too. The way he comes to some conclusions (for example that Draco Malfoy is a Death Eater) is very N-like, though I'd say more Ni than Ne (which would be his auxiliary if he was an INFP). So rather than typing him as a IxFP, I'll say that he's an ISFP with a strongly developed tertiary function (which would be Ni for an ISFP - that fits, right?).

Hermione : ISTJ
Her dominant function in this case would be Si, which makes a lot of sense. She's forever recalling past events step by step, in minute detail and trying to find solutions to new problems by comparing them to old ones. So that's totally Si. I can kind of see where people are coming from when they're typing her as N, but I think that the solutions and data systems she comes up with are always very linear and strongly based in fact. Sometimes, particularly in later books, she seems to think a bit more "out of the box", but for the most part she takes more conventional routes. So I'd tend to attribute the "out of the box" bit as natural character development due to the experiences she has with Harry and Ron.
Her auxiliary has to be Te IMO!
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She feels a clear need to put everything in the outside world into logical, organized structures (which drives Harry and Ron crazy) and her way of arguing anything is always very logical and structured. I see some have typed her as F, but if she was an ISFJ she'd be using Fe as her auxiliary. That would mean she'd be very concerned with social conventions and making people around her happy, which IMO she's not. Her behaviour is IMO more Fi than Fe which would be her tertiary function as a ISTJ. So like with Harry I'll just assume that her tertiary function is rather developed.

Ron : ESFP
Anyone with Se as dominant is supposed to live very much in the here and now, be fidgety and get bored easilly. Also like with Harry I guess Se would help Ron a lot with Quidditch. I'm actually not sure if what I know about Se fits Ron 100%, but I can't make a good argument for any of the other functions being dominant, so this will have to do :P
Fi would be the supporting one which I think fits because under the surface Ron actually has some very strong values when it comes to family and friends.

Dumbledore : INFJ
I think there's no doubt that Dumbledore's dominant function is Ni, it just has to be!
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The doubt (after Deathly Hallows) is whether he's an F or not, but IMO yes. Dumbledore, for all his querks, actually makes a lot of effort to maintain harmony amongst people. You see him pulling crackers at Christmas feasts, going off to bars in Hogsmeade regularly, forcing Sirius and Snape to shake hands etc. These are all very Fe kind of things. The non-negotiable hidden moral values thing is Fi and for an INFJ that would come down in 6th place. Furthermore, I don't think there's that much evidence of Dumbledore using Te. A lot of the times when he's talking to Harry he's actually talking about and explaining people concepts. Also, a combination of Ni with Fe is probably the most powerful combination you could have as far as understanding people goes and I think that's Dumbledore's forte!

Voldemort : INTJ or INTP
With Voldemort I'm very hesitant as to whether he's an INTJ or INTP (Ni with Te or Ti with Ne). The way he puts his plans into action, you would think there must be some Te influencing him strongly - I even toyed with the idea that he could be an ENTJ (cause then the Te would be dominant), but Dumbledore repeatedly underlines that Voldemort works alone, so that doesn't work. So if you think of it this way it would have to be INTJ.
On the other hand the bizzarre thing is that I would find it hard to refer to something in the book where I could say without doubt that Voldemort is using Te. I find it easier to point to things where he seems to be using Ti. For example when Dumbledore first meets him in the orphanage and gets a glimpse of the real Voldemort under the mask, Tom Riddle starts wondering aloud about which of his parents was magical, coming to the conclusion that it had to be his father because his mother wouldn't have died. This isn't a logical, objective structure in the way that Te would be. It is a very subjective sort of logic - I think more Ti-like.
But I also feel that Voldemort is just too screwed up to type properly
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Snape : INTJ
His dominant function has to be Ni I think. There were quite a few things he "just knew" like the time when Harry helped Sirius escape. He knew it, even though he couldn't explain it.
I think it's impossible for Snape to be an 'F' because his auxiliary would be Fe. He doesn't make any effort to keep to social conventions or make sure there is harmony amongst the people around him, so that's just not plausible. It has to be Te.
As an INTJ his tertiary function would be Fi though, so we can assume he developed that to a large degree as he matured.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:26 AM   #50
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One definitive vote for Fred and George being ENTP's.
Being an ENTP I recognised a lot of my stuff in them. Especially when fred gets topped and when they start fighting authority.
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