[coffeeloverfreak]

I know this is all over the internet... but the debate rages on. I've never seen it settled, and a lot of it is outdated (i.e. pre-DH, when you learn much more about the main characters). Anyone want to take a crack at typing the HP characters?

Here's what I'm thinking:

Harry: ISFP
Ron: ESFJ
Hermione: ISTJ

Dumbledore: INTJ with strong Fi?
Voldemort: INTJ
Snape: INFJ
Umbridge: ISTJ

Luna: INTP
Neville: ISFP

Lupin: INFJ
Sirius: ESFP
James: ESFP
Lily: ENFP

???

[Antares]

Many people dubbed Snape as INTJ, but almost his entire life was dedicated to a dead person - Lily, and I think it's quite a feeler thing to do. She's dead, and there's nothing he can do about it, but he eventually gives his life to her memory. He also unfairly treats Harry and Ron, bends rules because he felt like it. I also agree that Voldemort should be INTJ. I've seen him put as an INTP, but he's far too good at planning to be INTP. Him framing Hagrid was almost too 'J'. I rather think Luna is INFP. She believes in strange things that don't exist and is quite fundamentalist about them, and her father, like her, thinks Hermione is 'close minded' (she is, but she's also right about the strange creatures they believe in).

[Mr Galt]

I've always thought of Snape as VERY T. Dumbledore, along with most of the "good" characters in the books tend to be pretty F. Just my $0.02.

[Pinkie]

I think Snape's INTJ. I don't see him so much bending rules because he feels like it - I think he bends them to see how far they'll go, see what he can get away with.

[Jgib5328]

Being an F or a T isn't a matter of what you live for, it's a matter of how you act day to day. Snape was a very cold and calculating person, it may be true that he has sacrificed a lot for Lily, but that doesn't still take away from the fact that he is dominated by his thoughts.





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Why is Lily an ENFP? What P characteristics did you get from her? I thought she was more of a J since she seemed more organized and planned as opposed to James.

What happened to Hagrid? He's probably an ESFP.

[Solaris]

I think Snape probably is an INTJ, just a very misanthropic one. His overwhelming love for Lily is just, to me, a side effect of being INTJ. In other words, he wasn't great with his F, and it ruined things for him with Lily.

I've seen Harry typed as all sorts of things. Short of getting JK Rowling to take the MBTI test for Harry, I don't think we'll ever know -- though I'm certain she knows Harry well enough to take the test for him. He doesn't fit very neatly into any one of the types really. Plus, we only really know him until age 17. MBTI tells us that personality is only just solidifying around then, so I don't know that we can accurately type him. Personally, I think he's too decisive for an ISFP.

[Antares]

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I think Snape probably is an INTJ, just a very misanthropic one. His overwhelming love for Lily is just, to me, a side effect of being INTJ. In other words, he wasn't great with his F, and it ruined things for him with Lily. I've seen Harry typed as all sorts of things. Short of getting JK Rowling to take the MBTI test for Harry, I don't think we'll ever know -- though I'm certain she knows Harry well enough to take the test for him. He doesn't fit very neatly into any one of the types really. Plus, we only really know him until age 17. MBTI tells us that personality is only just solidifying around then, so I don't know that we can accurately type him. Personally, I think he's too decisive for an ISFP.

Perhaps Harry might be ISFJ? According to many sources, they are the 'selfless martyrs' of MBTI, and Slytherins never did let Harry forget his self-sacrificing nature.

[Mr Galt]

Are you sure about Sirius being an E? He seems pretty I to me. He always was sort of an enigma and he spent much of his time just living with Buckbeak.

[Jgib5328]

	Originally Posted by Mr Galt To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are you sure about Sirius being an E? He seems pretty I to me. He always was sort of an enigma and he spent much of his time just living with Buckbeak.

And did you notice how depressed he was? He was incredibly lonely because he was FORCED to spend his time in hiding by himself. If you pay attention to the flashbacks, he was a really outgoing guy with James. He id definitely and E.

[coffeeloverfreak]

I see Harry's self-sacrificing less as a personality trait and more as a character archetype or literary device. In other words, he had to be self-sacrificing because in the Christian allegory, he was the Jesus figure. If you notice that his personality is mostly self-preserving, not self-sacrificing, you'll see what I mean. He only accepts this when he realizes there's no other choice.

I think Harry is probably an ISFP because it fits with a lot of the evidence. When Harry is feeling low or needs to re-energize, he detaches and spends time alone. When he's with people for too long, e.g. the common room, he needs to retreat and spend time in the dorm or the owlery or something. I think he's definitely an I, and even when he's pressed upon to be a leader, he does so reluctantly. He's a quidditch player with a strong sense of the *now* and the physical world (S) and when have we ever seen him be intuitive, really? All the so-called flashes of insight he has are from his F, not N. Speaking of which, he's a very strong FP I believe. He reacts hot-headedly very often, you almost never see him study or run to the library a la Hermione, he reacts emotionally to pretty much every situation and uses emotions to make his decisions. And as for being a P, well, this is the easiest one of all I think. He leaves things till the last minute, is a bit of a scatterbrain, doesn't give a hoot about tying up loose ends - he'd rather be out pursuing the next adventure. Hence, ISFP.

Agree with Jgib on Sirius. He's most definitely an E. He's giddy, happy and energized when he has visitors, and depressed, sad and miserable when he's forced to be alone. He also reacts rashly and emotionally without thinking things through (F), he has trouble envisioning anything beyond the here and now (S) and he seems to extrovert feeling to deal with the world (J).

Snape is a harder one. Until book 7, I might've pegged him as a T, but now I pretty much believe he's an F, because his motives for everything he was doing were emotional. However, I agree that in tactical decisions he relies on his T, and he could just be an INTJ with a stunted F that didn't allow him to ever get over his love for Lily.

Dumbledore, on the other hand, I see as a very strong INTJ with a well developed Fi (remember, by his age, he's had plenty of time to work on it... one needs only to look back to his youth to see his F wasn't always so developed). He plans his moves like a chessboard, using everyone around him as pawns to achieve his ultimate strategy that only he understands. He is secretive, manipulative, often cold and calculating. Yes, of course he's a "good guy" because he's doing it for good reasons. But you don't ever see him react emotionally or make decisions because of his feelings, do you? He very nearly allows feelings for Harry to distract him from his plan, but he doesn't; ultimately, he burdens Harry with his fate anyway. Dumbledore is probably much more INTJ than Snape or even Voldemort. Note how easily Dumbledore is able to manipulate Voldemort using what he knows to be Voldy's emotional weaknesses, for example.

Anyway, that's my thinking. Debate away.

[pavman]

The book The Hidden Key to Harry Potter,
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, goes into depth about how each house represents the types... I haven't read it in a while, but essentially the Ravenclaw house was the "Rational" house, according to this book. I've seen online "tests" that try to go into this sort of thing, but not sure how accurate they are. Anyway, most of them place us in slitherin house; however, ravenclaw was more about pursuit of knowledge, so I'm thinking the book was more accurate than the web tests....

I can't seem to find the part about this in that book cited above. I'll keep looking, but its difficult as there is no index. I know I read about it around the time I read this book, so I just assumed it was in this book... I'll post anything I can find.

[coffeeloverfreak]

I don't see INTJs as Slytherins at all, really. I mean, sure, the evil world domination thing notwithstanding. But Slytherins are all essentially big bullies, trying to charm or con their way into positions of power. Power is, after all, what the Slytherin desires. And INTJs usually couldn't give a rat's @$$ about power. Slytherin = ESTP? ENTJ? Whatever, but I don't think it's INTJ.

As for each house being a type, er, not sure about that. Too many of the houses have overlapping characteristics. For instance, Ravenclaws are rational (NT) but they also have a tendency to be most likely to believe in things without proof a la Luna. Gryffindors are brave but they can also be STs like Hermione, SFs like Harry, but they can be motivated by great selflessness, unlike most people of those types. Slytherins can be calculating but also very childish, spoiled, and power-seeking, like most bullies. Hufflepuffs are hardworking but not necessarily high-achievement. In other words, I see some type similarities, but not an obvious correlation.

[pavman]

	Originally Posted by coffeeloverfreak To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	For instance, Ravenclaws are rational (NT) but they also have a tendency to be most likely to believe in things without proof a la Luna.

Perhaps this is just Rowling's way of interpretting the INTJs ability to think "why not" ....
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...or perhaps she's an INTP and that's why they make no sense to me
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If I find the source, I'll post it. I can't do it justice, I'm sure...especially since its such an old topic.

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by coffeeloverfreak To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't see INTJs as Slytherins at all, really. I mean, sure, the evil world domination thing notwithstanding. But Slytherins are all essentially big bullies, trying to charm or con their way into positions of power. Power is, after all, what the Slytherin desires. And INTJs usually couldn't give a rat's @$$ about power. Slytherin = ESTP? ENTJ? Whatever, but I don't think it's INTJ.

Snape, a widely thought INTJ, is very Slytherin. His one slip up, as far as Slytherin is concerned, would be his devotion to Lily. He more than made up for that with his unequal response to hating Harry, because he represented James, popularity, love, and everything he (Snape) could never have with Lily. (Fe out of control)

[Octavianus Caesar]

Harry is very Introverted. His situtaion with Voldermort and how to defeat him, clearly puts him as very INtutional. He is very Feeling orientented, he cares for people and that is very obvious when he is put into a pinch, he will chose to save a life, than to lose it. He is very carefree overall, he will put things off and do them last minute, so that would make him Percieving. So HP is INFP

Hermione is very introverted as well. I would think she is a balanced S and N, but when push comes to shove she is by the book person, follow the rules, so overall she maybe a Sensing person (If i understand it correctly). She is defenitly a T person, she can be tough, critical, and rational, she thinks things through. She is a J. She likes to control the outcome, based on what she believes to be correct, she plans things out and she sees them through.
Hermione is a ISTJ (overall, but she can easily cross into INTJ, easily.

Ron is Extravert. Which balances Hermione and Harry I. He is talkative, his home life is very active and forces his character to be extraverted. He is a strong S, he lives in the present, he very rarely thinks about the future, and he relies on his senses. He is a strong F, he is easily hurt (especially when harry is picked over him), he does not like to fight, he is passionate about what he is presently doing. He is a P: carefree, relaxed, abaptable, he does what he wants to do and puts things off. So Ron is ESFP.

Dumbledore is an introvert. He stays up in his study hours at a time, he contemplates alot in privacy. He is a strong N: he focus on the future, he sees and plans for things that may happen, he is inventive, and complicated. Like Hermione he is a balanced T and F. He is logical, objective, and thinks things through, at the same time he can think through the heart (he does not want to hurt Harry any more than he has to), passionate about protecting harry and defeating Voldemort. Gentle and warm person. He is a J, he is decisive, he likes to control things, organized, makes plans. I would conclude he is an INTJ (with the ability of being an INFJ).

Voldemort is an introvert. He keeps to himself, he does not like friends, unless he can control them, I would say he is a very strong one. He is Intutional, like Dumbledore, he creates, focus on the future (making it in his own image), deep, abstract, he likes to twist things to match his own likeness. He is a strong thinker, he cares for no one, the only feelings he has is hate and revenge. His thinking of "pureblood" is what drives him, he is racist, impersonal, objective and logical (with in his own thinking). He is a Judge: he controls everything around him, he is organized and set up his own group of people, he rules them with a iron hand. Voldemort is an INTJ.





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Professor Snape: He is an introvert as well, keeps to himself. Like Dumbledore and Voldemort, Snape is Intutional , he creates spells and potions. Thus he sees possibilities. Theoretical, imaginitive, inventive, abstract, ect. Like Hermione and Dumbledore I think he is a balanced T and F. He is logical, thinks things through, rational, very impersonal, critical, and firm with people, but at the sametime he is dislikes conflicts, passionate, driven by emotion and easily hurt (he is an F when it comes to Harry and Lilly). He is a J, he schedules things, his classes and teaching are very organized, he controlls them with an iron hand, he makes plans, ect. Over all he is an INTJ (depending on events he can be a INFJ).

[coffeeloverfreak]

#15, I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except for Harry being an N. To me he's a pretty clear S. He is much more focused on the physical and the tangible than on the possible. He likes sports and active pursuits over dreamy, intuitional ones. He's a man of action - definitely act now, think later. And he takes in information based on stuff he sees and hears (spying on people, sneaking around under his invisibility cloak). Plus, people frequently get frustrated with him for being too concrete a thinker To me, all of that says S.

Arguably, magic itself would lend itself more towards the N. And of course, there are times when Harry's intuition kicks in (yelling at Lupin about Tonks for example) but I would say that's more his F than his N. If anything, Harry's intuition seems extremely under-developed; that's why he has to go to Dumbledore for advice so much.

[Jgib5328]

I agree with coffee, Harry is definitely an S. He doesn't show much deep insight or exhibit any abstractness. Most of the amazing things he does are a result of other people, luck, or sometimes his courage. He definitely lives in the here and now and is most grounded and concrete.

I am an INTJ, and I'd probably fit in Slytherin. Not that I'm sneaky or anything, but I probably just would. INTJs would probably fit in Ravenclaw or Slytherin. I like Slytherin the best, but I tend to favor the evil characters. I think the Slytherin characters were all just portrayed poorly. Most of them were pretty much apes and beasts. Like Draco's scamps (I forget their names) and that girl who didn't like Hermione. I'm sure if the Slytherins were portrayed more, we'd see some INTJs. I'd kill myself if I was a Hufflepuff, that's the worst one. Gryffindor is annoying, I'm not altruistic or anything, and don't really care much about other's well beings.

[Octavianus Caesar]

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#15, I'm inclined to agree with everything you say except for Harry being an N. To me he's a pretty clear S. He is much more focused on the physical and the tangible than on the possible. He likes sports and active pursuits over dreamy, intuitional ones. He's a man of action - definitely act now, think later. And he takes in information based on stuff he sees and hears (spying on people, sneaking around under his invisibility cloak). Plus, people frequently get frustrated with him for being too concrete a thinker To me, all of that says S. Arguably, magic itself would lend itself more towards the N. And of course, there are times when Harry's intuition kicks in (yelling at Lupin about Tonks for example) but I would say that's more his F than his N. If anything, Harry's intuition seems extremely under-developed; that's why he has to go to Dumbledore for advice so much.

Hmm, good point.

[coffeeloverfreak]

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and how it fits Harry Potter:

	As an ISFP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit into your value system. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in via your five sense in a literal, concrete fashion.

I definitely see Harry as introverting feeling. He spends most of his alone time stewing in his feelings of anger, reminiscing about his parents, reveling in his feelings of joy, etc. etc.

ISFPs live in the world of sensation possibilities. They are keenly in tune with the way things look, taste, sound, feel and smell. They have a strong aesthetic appreciation for art, and are likely to be artists in some form, because they are unusually gifted at creating and composing things which will strongly affect the senses. They have a strong set of values, which they strive to consistently meet in their lives. They need to feel as if they're living their lives in accordance with what they feel is right, and will rebel against anything which conflicts with that goal. They're likely to choose jobs and careers which allow them the freedom of working towards the realization of their value-oriented personal goals.

Harry's value-oriented personal goal: getting rid of Voldemort. His desire to be an auror? Entirely about that. Not too sure about the fine art appreciation, mind you.

	ISFPs tend to be quiet and reserved, and difficult to get to know well. They hold back their ideas and opinions except from those who they are closest to. They are likely to be kind, gentle and sensitive in their dealings with others. They are interested in contributing to people's sense of well-being and happiness, and will put a great deal of effort and energy into tasks which they believe in.

Harry holds back from most people except Ron and Hermione, the people he's closest to. He tries to be kind overall (some of his adolescent fumbles notwithstanding) and he definitely puts effort, energy, and his life on the line when he believes in something.

ISFPs are action-oriented individuals. They are "doers", and are usually uncomfortable with theorizing concepts and ideas, unless they see a practical application. They learn best in a "hands-on" environment, and consequently may become easily bored with the traditional teaching methods, which emphasize abstract thinking. They do not like impersonal analysis, and are uncomfortable with the idea of making decisions based strictly on logic. Their strong value systems demand that decisions are evaluated against their subjective beliefs, rather than against some objective rules or laws.

More Harry to a T. He likes the practical lessons (DADA especially) and hates theoretical learning or "book learning". I can hardly think of any time he's made a logic-based decision, except maybe at Hermione's urging. He regularly flouts the laws and flies in the face of rules and regulations for what he believes is right. From his first rule-breaking to defend the philosopher's stone, to his battles against the ministry, he makes decisions based on what he feels is right, not based on what external society dictates.

	ISFPs are extremely perceptive and aware of others. They constantly gather specific information about people, and seek to discover what it means. They are usually penetratingly accurate in their perceptions of others.

Harry frequently sees things about people that others ignore. He knew what Draco Malfoy was up to. He understands people like Sirius, Lupin, Luna and Neville, when others don't. He has a knack for assessing right away if someone is good or evil.

	ISFPs are warm and sympathetic. They genuinely care about people, and are strongly service-oriented in their desire to please. They have an unusually deep well of caring for those who are close to them, and are likely to show their love through actions, rather than words.

Is laying his life on the line to protect his friends "action-oriented" enough? When Sirius is in danger, Harry rushes to the Ministry to save hi, consequences be damned. Hermione calls him out on it, telling him he has a "saving-people thing" but he dismisses it, saying that forget logic, he has to rescue the people he loves.

	ISFPs have no desire to lead or control others, just as they have no desire to be led or controlled by others. They need space and time alone to evaluate the circumstances of their life against their value system, and are likely to respect other people's needs for the same.

Harry never showed any desire to lead or follow the crowd. He distanced himself from peer pressure from day one, rejecting Malfoy's offer of friendship to hang out with the people he knew were good, like Ron. When his friends urge him to teach the DA, he resists until he has no choice, and then reluctantly assumes a leadership role because he realizes he's a symbol of hope to many people. But, given the choice, he simply wants to be left alone or to be with the people closest to him.

	The ISFP is likely to not give themself enough credit for the things which they do extremely well. Their strong value systems can lead them to be intensely perfectionist, and cause them to judge themselves with unneccesary harshness.

Harry's no perfectionist by any means. But he is harsh on himself and always is quick to avoid taking credit. All the things he's done over the years, he constantly insists had nothing to do with talent and were based solely on luck, guts, and help from smarter friends. He downplays his achievements and seeks only to accomplish his goal.

	The ISFP has many special gifts for the world, especially in the areas of creating artistic sensation, and selflessly serving others. Life is not likely to be extremely easy for the ISFP, because they take life so seriously, but they have the tools to make their lives and the lives of those close to them richly rewarding experiences.

Life's never easy for the Boy Who Lived, is it? *Sigh*.

[Octavianus Caesar]

I think what happen was i was reading the S and thinking N. So i typed N and not S
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[Rei]

Harry: ESFP
Ron: ISFP
Hermione: ENFJ

Dumbledore: INTJ
Voldemort: ISTJ
Snape: INFJ

Luna: INTP
Neville: ISFP

Lupin: INFJ
Sirius: ESTP
James: ESTP
Lily: ENFP

[Jgib5328]

	Originally Posted by Rei To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Harry: ESFP Ron: ISFP Hermione: ENFJ Dumbledore: INTJ Voldemort: ISTJ Snape: INFJ Luna: INTP Neville: ISFP Lupin: INFJ Sirius: ESTP James: ESTP Lily: ENFP

Lol I'm sorry, but how is Ron introverted? He is really outgoing and shows no sign or needing a lone time and shows no signs of introspection. I'd say Ron is an ESFP

How is Hermione an N and an E? She is clearly boxed in by the rules and convention (an S trait) and doesn't show much interest in the abstract. She's never really shown any interest in the abstract either? I'd say Hermione is an ISFJ, maybe an INFJ. Hermione also seems to be more reserved and quiet than most so she may be an I. She seems much more interested in her studies than other people. She maybe an E though.

How is Voldemort an ISTJ? He clearly is intuitive. He was able to develop a well thought out master plan for his future dominance over the world. He seemed to manipulate the rules rather than follow them. He has shown deep insight and that he is abstract by creating a wide variety of his own spells. You can even see his Fi, form the Horcruxes. They were all symbolic to him and had meaning. Voldemort is definitely an INTJ.

I've already stated why I thought Snape was an INTJ.

Sirius seems more like an F to me because he seems to be rather emotional.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Hermione seems like a T to me. Even if she's motivated by idealism, her decisions are all thought out rationally, not emotionally.

[Jgib5328]

	Originally Posted by coffeeloverfreak To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Hermione seems like a T to me. Even if she's motivated by idealism, her decisions are all thought out rationally, not emotionally.

She's really sensitive and emotional. A lot of her decisions aren't thought out that rationally. She obviously deeply sympathizes with people too. Remember he whole 'free elves' thing? And how she always cares about the weak and down trodden. Or how about the fact that she ends up working for the human rights department of the Ministry of Magic? Face it, shes definitely an F.

[coffeeloverfreak]

Ts can also be into human rights (or elven rights, as the case may be). But Hermione's forte is logical thinking and decision-making. She always uses deductive reasoning to get to her answers. To me, that says T.

As for being high-strung, well, she's a teenager.