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Would you feel guilty if you killed in self-defense? ethics, guilt
Old 08-25-2009, 11:53 PM   #51
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Doubtful that I would even feel significantly guilty if I killed someone outside of self defense. Though an unsubstantiated idea exist that there is, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference between the other animals we kill and your average human being, most humans can even be categorized as vermin. For the most part, other people just look like a problematic humanoid composition of organic components to me, and if such a composition is trying to kill me, I especially don't see why I should feel guilty for killing and consuming it. If anything, I may even feel more guilty killing another species than I would killing a normal human, humans are almost all inherently evil, the same can be said of few other animals. As for torturing them on the other hand, I would have mixed feelings about torturing even people I know deserve to be punished but I would do what needs to be done regardless, including the euthanizing of that person's children so as to eliminate them from the gene pool just in case their scourge poses a heritable threat to good people. As for the exceptions, I would feel guilty killing a member of my own temperament (not referring to Keirsey's, god, I hate having to clarify that) or something along those lines.
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Old 09-05-2009, 01:25 AM   #52
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No. It was self defense. I mean, I would avoid killing them if possible but if they attacked me and I killed them when I retaliated, I wouldn't feel guilty. As an INTJ, I might even kill them as self defense after they attack me if they posed a threat to kill /harm me after the incident. To be honest, I have no idea since I haven't been put under the situation =P but generally, no if it was under self defense.
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Old 09-05-2009, 01:31 AM   #53
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Self defense.....I would not feel guilty if I had to kill someone to prevent he/she from killing me or loved ones.
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Old 09-05-2009, 01:16 PM   #54
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No. They made the choice to do something stupid that forced me to defend myself.
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Old 09-05-2009, 02:13 PM   #55
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No.

The instant someone else violates my rights, they relinquish their own. If someone threatens my life, theirs is mine to take.

Normally I hate waste, but disposing of a threat is not waste.
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Old 09-05-2009, 02:41 PM   #56
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No way. If they're threatening my life, I would feel no guilt.
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Old 09-05-2009, 05:29 PM   #57
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Absolutely not. The line for me is the assailant threatening my or someone I love dearly's life (with actions, as in he's trying to kill them right now). If he dies in the process, maybe he should have taken his life a little more seriously and prized it a little more than he did.

This actually happened to a friend of mine. He was waking home and he witnessed a crime. The man saw him and in order to evade being caught he stabbed my friend. My friend managed to get the knife and stabbed him in the chest, killing him. (it was on the news, and they showed most of the footage since it happened behind a grocery store) This man did not value his life (or he would have used it doing somehting other than stealing beer), and threw it away trying to kill a 16 year old kid. As far as I'm concerned, this man threw his life away. And to me, a life thrown away is not a life lost.

Another friend of mine was raped repeteadly at gunpoint and forced to eat and watch tv with this man and her two sons for days, and pretend they were a happy family. This man had done similar things to many many women. The lives he destroyed while satisfying his perversions can never be mended. It's been years, and she still has horrifying, graphic nightmares and flashbacks, and her sons will probably be in therapy for the rest of their lives. If she or another of the woman (or the other women's children) had fought back and killed this man, I would feel bad for this man's family, but I wouldn't consider it a loss to society. And if it had been me who killed him, no. I would not have felt guilty in the slightest.
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Old 09-05-2009, 05:33 PM   #58
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No.

The instant someone else violates my rights, they relinquish their own. If someone threatens my life, theirs is mine to take.

Normally I hate waste, but disposing of a threat is not waste.

I think you said it perfectly. I agree but, to be honest, I'd rather cripple someone for life rather than actually kill them. Maybe I'm being cold-hearted but if you make the decision to go out of your way and hurt someone I'd like you to regret that decision for a very, very long time.

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Old 09-05-2009, 06:34 PM   #59
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I don't truly know how I would feel, because I've never been in the situation. However, I had a man basically stalking me in an apartment I lived in previously, and he never physically harmed me, but did strange things, such as standing outside my apartment for hours on end, or waiting for me to come and go, just watching me. Several times I suspected he had been in my apartment, because things were moved/missing, but I had no concrete proof. I remember being terrified that he would harm me, and unsure of how to handle the situation, because he never actually broke any laws. I mentally prepared myself in case he did try to harm me, and planned several ways to save myself if he broke into my apartment or something. I moved, to avoid it, but I don't think I would have experienced any guilt, as a matter of fact, I think that I would have felt relieved to know I no longer had to worry about my safety.

I agree with those of the mentality that if someone tries to take my life, they forfeit their own. I cant control the decisions of another individual, and don't feel sorry for their lack of ability to control themselves.
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Old 09-05-2009, 06:48 PM   #60
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Yes, I would feel guilty about taking another person's life, even if it was in self defense. I value human life very highly, and I would hate having to weigh someone else's life against my own, even if they were trying to kill me.
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Old 09-05-2009, 07:33 PM   #61
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I would definitely kill for self defense or kill someone who threatens the life loved ones or even innocent people I don't know. It is somewhat irrelevant to me whether I feel guilty about that because I will also feel that I did the right thing. Different feelings come and go, sometimes contradicting each other. I would most likely feel guilty, yet I could nonetheless kill if I believe I am stopping a great crime or injustice.
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:42 AM   #62
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i'd feel awful if i killed somebody, self defense or not. I don't think id be able to live with myself.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:01 PM   #63
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I think you said it perfectly. I agree but, to be honest, I'd rather cripple someone for life rather than actually kill them. Maybe I'm being cold-hearted but if you make the decision to go out of your way and hurt someone I'd like you to regret that decision for a very, very long time.

I'd only do what was required to get out of the situation and render the threat harmless, doing no more damage than required--a judicious use of force. There's no point in causing a death if disabling them will do.

I can understand the viewpoint of wanting them to suffer long-term consequences, though, even if that is not my approach. Having one's life threatened is a serious thing.

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Old 09-06-2009, 12:09 PM   #64
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I can understand the viewpoint of wanting them to suffer long-term consequences, though, even if that is not my approach. Having one's life threatened is a serious thing.

It's not just that...basically, I look at their choices. They CHOSE to hurt and people who do that, in my opinion, are utterly worthless. I have no use for them, I don't consider them to be 'people' they become more like aggressive objects needing to be removed. It becomes all too easy for me to revert into a merciless creature and do my best to shut them down.

I find that individuals like that often cannot be reasoned with, and so by crippling them I guess I hope they will come to the conclusion themselves that hurting others comes not without punishment.

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Old 09-06-2009, 02:14 PM   #65
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Killing in self defense or to protect innocents is not something I would ever regret. However, knowing this I've made the conscious decision to never do any harm to another person. I know killing is wrong, and to know I could do such a thing without any guilt indicates to me the need to self regulate and intentionally vow never to physically harm another person.
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:32 PM   #66
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I cannot imagine anyone being dumb enough to break into someone's place out here in the country, where everyone is armed with guns and no stranger to using them. If they did break in, I'll bet 9 times out of 10 they are on drugs/drunk with impaired judgement. (I have no stats to back that up)

That said, I'm pretty much positive that anyone who breaks into my house would be shot. The Castle Doctrine of my state protects my right to use lethal force against those who break into my home, whether I can prove they are there to do bodily harm or not. I would not waste a lot of time determining exactly what their intentions were.

I wouldn't feel guilty shooting, but I would mull the situation over for a long time, and ponder whether I could have done anything more to avoid it. In the end, though, people entering a house without knocking or announcing their presence do not have good intentions, so I wouldn't beat myself up about it. Just think about it a lot.
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:46 PM   #67
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As many have already stated, I don’t believe I can truly say whether or not I would feel guilty in this situation, having never been in it. I hypothesize that I would not feel guilty, however I am not quite sure I’m stone enough to be unaffected by the crying parents/children/spouse of someone whose life I took away. I believe this would affect me in the moment, but not in the long term.

People make decisions in life. If a person makes the decision to commit a crime and threaten harm to another human being, they are taking the risk of injury/death or incarceration. The criminal is aware of this, it comes with the territory. For this reason, I would have no reservation about taking the life of someone who threatened to take mine. In the moment, I don’t think anyone would. Your life is always, in the end, more valuable than the life of someone else (with the exception of very close loved ones, and to some not even then).
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Old 09-06-2009, 07:23 PM   #68
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No.
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:02 PM   #69
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In the notion of killing because the person who was killed is...well... dead, then yes. As for killing because that person crossed the line, no.

The person asked for it and got it handed to him because of it. He was the one who initiated pass the line. He is the one who should face the consequences, not you. It was either him, you, or the people around you.
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:15 AM   #70
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First,i would feel lucky because i survived, i was strong enough to save myself etc...
but soon,not after a long time, i would feel the guilt of taking a life.I would started to think options i could have chosen like hurting enough to disable them or disarm them.it doesn't matter if the situation obligates me or the person was evil and deserved. i would torture myself with guilt.I'm sure.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:23 AM   #71
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I wouldn't feel guilty about killing him in self defense. But it would linger on my mind. He might have been a father, a brother, a friend. Regardless of what he did he had a family that is now missing a piece.
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Old 09-07-2009, 11:46 AM   #72
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I don't think I would have any qualms about killing in self-defense. Especially if whoever I had to kill was threatening myself, my family or someone I cared about.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:22 PM   #73
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No. They were trying to take away my life.
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