invitro meat on plates within 10 years

**azelismia** · 08-09-2009, 05:30 PM

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If they can make this fly it would be fantastic!

**EmilyEvenstar** · 08-09-2009, 06:01 PM

I'd rather not play God.

**azelismia** · 08-09-2009, 06:23 PM

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	I'd rather not play God.

how is this playing God?

**reb** · 08-09-2009, 06:29 PM

fly? if they can make the thing aerodynamic at all, and put a ge turbine on it, it'll fly.

in all seriousness, protein is protein; parts is parts. but why do we want to expend the resources to lab make protein, when all we have to do is stop breeding like rats? nature is going to body slam our asses, i think. the 'supply/demand' curve is a solid wall somewhere...so is the 'resource/demand' chart.

i'd play God, but Shakespeare would have to write my lines for me.

**azelismia** · 08-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by reb
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fly? if they can make the thing aerodynamic at all, and put a ge turbine on it, it'll fly.

in all seriousness, protein is protein; parts is parts. but why do we want to expend the resources to lab make protein, when all we have to do is stop breeding like rats? nature is going to body slam our asses, i think. the 'supply/demand' curve is a solid wall somewhere...so is the 'resource/demand' chart.

i'd play God, but Shakespeare would have to write my lines for me.

yeah, and how are you going to get humans to stop breeding? it's expending less resources to culture meat in a lab than to grow it on farms.

**phej** · 08-09-2009, 06:48 PM

	Originally Posted by the article
	"We could reduce the risks of diseases like swine flu, avian flu, 'mad cow disease', or contamination from Salmonella," he told CNN. "We could produce meat in sterile conditions that are impossible in conventional animal farms and slaughterhouses. And when we grow only the meat we can eat, it's more efficient. There's no need to grow the whole animal and lose 75 to 95 percent of what we feed it."

Considering that drug companies sometimes have problems with contamination, this is very idealistic.

Would this stop me from eating cultured meat? Probably only if I decide to become vegan by the time this hits the market. I mean, I eat all sorts of "cultured" things already like bread (full of yeast), dairy products (full of bacteria or molds). What's one more food item?

As for the touted efficiencies of growing cultured meat, I'm undecided. This may just be replacing animals eating farmed vegetation (grains) with an industrial process to convert grains and fossil fuels into the nutrient broth needed to grow cultured meats with no savings energy consumption.

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	Originally Posted by azelismia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	yeah, and how are you going to get humans to stop breeding? it's expending less resources to culture meat in a lab than to grow it on farms.

Make them wealthy so that it costs oodles of money and resources to raise a child. (Western Europe is mostly there. If the U.S. wasn't so liberal with immigration, we'd be like Western Europe already.)

**Zombicide** · 08-09-2009, 06:51 PM

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	how is this playing God?

And also what the hell does it matter if it is playing god? If someone doesn't want to play god, what does one's lack of desire to play god (as if there is such a being) have to do with the people actually working on the invitro meat?

Invitro meat is something I've been looking forward to since I came up with the notion as a child before hearing about it on television or reading about it. It would certainly save a lot of animals from a life long suffering and maybe even make meat a hell of a lot better {nutrition, taste, texture}. It eliminates all the extra crap we don't want to eat and the need for grazing land or torture farms.

There are no cons, it's just good eats. The people who'd prefer the livestock to suffer deserve to be farm raised, executed and eaten more than the (other) animals do.

**azelismia** · 08-09-2009, 06:56 PM

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And also what the hell does it matter if it is playing god? If someone doesn't want to play god, what does one's lack of desire to play god (as if there is such a being) have to do with the people actually working on the invitro meat?

Invitro meat is something I've been looking forward to since I came up with the notion as a child before hearing about it on television or reading about it. It would certainly save a lot of animals from a life long suffering and maybe even make meat a hell of a lot better {nutrition, taste, texture}. It eliminates all the extra crap we don't want to eat and the need for grazing land or torture farms.

There are no cons, it's just good eats. The people who'd prefer the livestock to suffer deserve to be farm raised, executed and eaten more than the (other) animals do.

Word!

I don't see how it has any cons. Sure it will still require energy but far less energy than it takes to have all these farms in existence. the torture we cause is absolutely unconscionable as it stands. Frankly, I think it will be cheap enough for big industry that the average man probably won't have a choice if they want fast food. (at least I really hope so)

**Visum** · 08-09-2009, 08:04 PM

Weeeeeeellll, I grew up on a nice small farm and had the benefit of raising our own beef, pork, and chicken etc. As much as I would like to throw a nice chunk of cultured bork(latest beef and pork culture) on the grill, I highly doubt it will even come close to tasting as good as the natural and hand raised variety. Putting spoiled aside, if it helps provide healthy and inexpensive protein on people's tables, I can't argue with it.

**Vergil96** · 08-09-2009, 08:23 PM

I would't trust it. I wouldn't even touch it. It's like soy bacon. It won't taste the same.

**azelismia** · 08-09-2009, 08:40 PM

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Weeeeeeellll, I grew up on a nice small farm and had the benefit of raising our own beef, pork, and chicken etc. As much as I would like to throw a nice chunk of cultured bork(latest beef and pork culture) on the grill, I highly doubt it will even come close to tasting as good as the natural and hand raised variety. Putting spoiled aside, if it helps provide healthy and inexpensive protein on people's tables, I can't argue with it.

why would you think it would taste differently?

**phej** · 08-10-2009, 03:38 AM

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	why would you think it would taste differently?

Probably for the same reasons that we have
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, or why veal tastes differently from more mature cow. Taste and texture are a function of the life story of the animal. I'd imagine the first cultured meat to be bland and either too tough or too much like jello.

**thod** · 08-10-2009, 03:46 AM


	If they can make this fly it would be fantastic!

Cool. You could contribute some cells from your butt muscles to be grown in vitro. Then we could have an INTJf barbecue with "Azel Butt Burgers". The possibilities are endless. Pick your favourite celebrity, and eat them.

**phej** · 08-10-2009, 03:56 AM

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	Cool. You could contribute some cells from your butt muscles to be grown in vitro. Then we could have an INTJf barbecue with "Azel Butt Burgers". The possibilities are endless. Pick your favourite celebrity, and eat them.

Except that from what I remember, muscle cells don't replicate anymore. They grow by simply getting bigger. So, we'd have to pull the stem cells from the somewhere else and coax them into turning into muscle fibers.

**kavalan** · 08-10-2009, 08:43 PM

It looks like a good idea... but I have my concerns as I would assume there are many variables that need to be controlled... If they get all those in line kudos!

**Visum** · 08-10-2009, 09:46 PM

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	why would you think it would taste differently?

Animals taste differently based on breed, age, sex, and what they are fed. There is a huge difference between a grass fed beef cow and one that has been fattened some with corn before butcher, at least to me. Male beef cattle are usually castrated,(steer), so that bovine testosterone is diminished or eliminated. Usually, the meat of a natural male will be much more stronger in flavor and tougher. Also, most animals are hung up after cleaning to undergo a curing process. The meat will break down some and improve quality.

**kavalan** · 08-10-2009, 09:57 PM

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	Animals taste differently based on breed, age, sex, and what they are fed. There is a huge difference between a grass fed beef cow and one that has been fattened some with corn before butcher, at least to me.

An example of this would be Kobe beef from japan. I've had the luxury of having Kobe style beef and it tastes vary different from the run of the mill beef.

If they were able mimic the variations for meat then I'd be more accepting, but as far as that source goes I still see it being a ways off as they don't give much information as to how the process works; granted this probably will not be known until it is published. My knowledge of biological processes is limited but I know that protein shape is important and if they start altering that there could be unforeseen repercussions.

**Zombicide** · 08-10-2009, 11:23 PM

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Animals taste differently based on breed, age, sex, and what they are fed. There is a huge difference between a grass fed beef cow and one that has been fattened some with corn before butcher, at least to me. Male beef cattle are usually castrated,(steer), so that bovine testosterone is diminished or eliminated. Usually, the meat of a natural male will be much more stronger in flavor and tougher. Also, most animals are hung up after cleaning to undergo a curing process. The meat will break down some and improve quality.

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Granted this stuff doesn't look very succulent as of yet (picture is only of experimental stage), there's no reason to assume that under its controlled conditions for production it won't if anything inevitably come to taste better than current meat choices. Clearly a large part of the effort would be to emulate sapidity, otherwise it really won't sell.

**zibber** · 08-11-2009, 01:21 AM

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	Granted this stuff doesn't look very succulent as of yet

The meat you shop for to-day has also been made to look "better" than it is..

**Shifter** · 08-11-2009, 02:55 AM

Bring on the brave new world I say.

But God help us if we ever need to go back to doing it the old fashion way, because the land, equipment and the expertise won't be around any more.

**refuse** · 08-12-2009, 08:42 AM

Animals are not commodities... mmm food cubes~

And while im feeling optimistic, i can dream that a successful implementation of this wouldnt bump the population~

**ElstonGunn** · 08-12-2009, 11:41 AM

It sounds like a great idea to me, on the condition that all the Ifs and such can be satisfied. Like if it can be shown that it won't give people cancer or any other diseases if they eat it for forty years. And if the meat is palatable. And if it's as nutritionally valid as natural, or at least current, styles of meat production. And if it's cost effective. And so on.

All those conditions being met, I'd eat a test tube baby back rib.

08-09-2009, 05:30 PM	#1
azelismia Core Member [166%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,657	To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. If they can make this fly it would be fantastic!
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EmilyEvenstar Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 81	I'd rather not play God.
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08-09-2009, 06:29 PM	#4
reb Core Member [257%] MBTI: XNTJ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 10,280	fly? if they can make the thing aerodynamic at all, and put a ge turbine on it, it'll fly. in all seriousness, protein is protein; parts is parts. but why do we want to expend the resources to lab make protein, when all we have to do is stop breeding like rats? nature is going to body slam our asses, i think. the 'supply/demand' curve is a solid wall somewhere...so is the 'resource/demand' chart. i'd play God, but Shakespeare would have to write my lines for me.
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08-09-2009, 08:04 PM	#9
Visum Member [17%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 680	Weeeeeeellll, I grew up on a nice small farm and had the benefit of raising our own beef, pork, and chicken etc. As much as I would like to throw a nice chunk of cultured bork(latest beef and pork culture) on the grill, I highly doubt it will even come close to tasting as good as the natural and hand raised variety. Putting spoiled aside, if it helps provide healthy and inexpensive protein on people's tables, I can't argue with it.
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08-09-2009, 08:23 PM	#10
Vergil96 Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 238	I would't trust it. I wouldn't even touch it. It's like soy bacon. It won't taste the same.
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08-10-2009, 08:43 PM	#15
kavalan New Member [01%] MBTI: istj Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 33	It looks like a good idea... but I have my concerns as I would assume there are many variables that need to be controlled... If they get all those in line kudos!
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Shifter Member [09%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 362	Bring on the brave new world I say. But God help us if we ever need to go back to doing it the old fashion way, because the land, equipment and the expertise won't be around any more.
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refuse Member [03%] MBTI: INTj Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 147	Animals are not commodities... mmm food cubes~ And while im feeling optimistic, i can dream that a successful implementation of this wouldnt bump the population~
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08-12-2009, 11:41 AM	#22
ElstonGunn Core Member [150%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6,036	It sounds like a great idea to me, on the condition that all the Ifs and such can be satisfied. Like if it can be shown that it won't give people cancer or any other diseases if they eat it for forty years. And if the meat is palatable. And if it's as nutritionally valid as natural, or at least current, styles of meat production. And if it's cost effective. And so on. All those conditions being met, I'd eat a test tube baby back rib.
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