[fiver]

	Originally Posted by Amphorian To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I find it ridiculous that someone made the claim being a liberal automatically makes you immoral and more likely to binge drink, have sex with multiple partners, etc. Liberals are not more likely then conservatives to do immoral acts (and who is to say such is immoral acts to begin with?). Please lets not re-enforce stereotypes.

I hope my post didn't give you that idea, but I'm afraid that it did because I said "conservative" student groups. I should have clarified that I didn't mean politically conservative. There are groups for young adults who want to pledge not to have sex until marriage (at least here in the US) and that sort of thing. Didn't intend to reinforce a stereotype, especially since I'd be hurting my own cause there. Sorry if I did.

[AaronSheffield]

Originally Posted by bil To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Oh, OK, Mr. Serioso, I shouldn't be so flippant about your impatience with someone's diatribes. I would have let it pass myself but I was a bit concerned about this person's frustration, being young and all and feeling like a total misfit. Gosh, does that make me an INFJ? Oh, no (just another one of my oh noes). <Uh, could you stop slapping that whip in your hand, please? It makes me a little uncomfortable.>

You're right. It's just not fair that life is so hard and that the real world is so different from his utopia. I should have seen this and comforted this poor, misunderstood child who really just wants to be loved and cared for instead of expecting him to defend his views against reasoned criticism. I mean, no young person has ever felt so alone in the history of man and it's certainly not like billions of teenagers have managed to get themselves through such terrible and awful times as the OP. I see now that I was clearly very wrong to assume that I had any right to criticize his ideas. After all, what children really need are hugs and candies and unicorns and rainbows.

[curiousgeorge01]

I didn't get the impression from OP that he was on some high horse telling everyone what to do. I just sort of see someone who's pissed that everyone is doing the same thing because it's in and he thinks it's really dumb. Also it's probably exacerbated by the fact that it's hard to find friends who don't want to do those things.

[qwerty123]

While some have rallied behind the OP, most suggestions have been brazenly dismissed. Nothing has yet been accomplished. I think that we all can relate to the OP. We may not all agree over whether his first post is whiney or not, but clearly we are not going to change those around us. So I ask, OP, what was the point of your post?

If it was to inform us that there are issues that trouble you, then hat tip, and welcome to life. If it was simply a rant, fine, everyone needs to vent. If you posted for some higher purpose, perhaps to gain insight as to how others have dealt with similar sentiments, then we might be on the path toward accomplishing something. I would hesitate ignoring those who are trying to help you become a better person. Siding simply with those who agree with you because it makes you feel good is not characteristic of an INTJ. As I said earlier, there are a lot of undeveloped INTJ's on this forum. They may test as INTJ's, they may have INTJ preferences, but they often fall short of full utilization of their thinking function in the field. At least from the evidence you have offered, I believe you fit squarely in this category.

As I said before, we are not going to change everyone around us. That leaves two options. Find better people to hang out with, and change yourself. When you come to the profound realization of the power of choice, you will be well on your way. You are likely above average intelligence, you say you’re doing fine in school. I don’t know what you’re studying. But I do know that you are quite disillusioned, and that you have retreated to the level of strict social order so as to reduce clutter and confusion in your world. You do not seem to relate well to others, and they likely have similar sentiments. You do however have control over your own thoughts and actions.

I can predict how you will react to this post. How do you feel about predictable people? Go ahead, surprise me.

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[PLC]

Originally Posted by DeepThinker To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Firstly i'd like to say hello to all my fellow INTJ's here, this is my first post To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I'm a student at university and i am disgusted at how the "student life" is nowadays. Everyone is so idiotic and dumb. Sometimes i mistake them for mentally retarded individuals. The main issue is this whole "student lifestyle" which the lecturers YES LECTURERS promote!! First off, majority of the students have sex with multiple partners, wild binge drinking parties and end up in bed with random strangers, cocaine snorting (one student nearly died of an overdose last year), cheating, lying, ignorant people. Basically they have no morality or principles in their pathetic life. then you have the hypocrites (these are everywhere not just in university) who "act" nice and "preach" but don't act upon what they say. All this "image is everything" really gets to me aswell, shallow people who think looks are everything. celebrity inspired culture aggravates me. Young 13 year old girls walking around in mini skirts dressed up like prostitutes, wtf?? Here in england the actual school uniform is a MINI SKIRT. Even teachers are backlashing this and asking the government to introduce more of an "appropriate" uniform for young school girls. paedophillia, rape and sexual attacks on young girls has risen tremendously within the past few years, are school girls walking around half naked going to help that?? erm NO. I am a virgin by choice and proud of it, some girls in my year like me and have immature "crushes" but i despise them, why? because they are a bunch of non-trustworthy sluts, thats why. People just do not make sense anymore, no matter how hard i try to not "judge" them i still end up thinking they are in the same league of idiocy as George Bush. I try to explain my thoughts to people who i think might understand but they don't quite grasp my understanding of this modern age and how i perceive the world. Sometimes i sit back in deep thoughts and get depressed of how F***** up this world is, don't get me wrong i'm not a proud, boastful and arrogant person i just detest stupidity and moronic people. There ARE good, decent, loyal and trustworthy individuals out there but unfortunately, they are in the minority. That's why i highly appreciate a good person in this day and age. your thoughts?

"Life sucks, and then you die." I used to view evil everywhere too a few years ago. I eventually realizing that while all those "behaviors" are probably not the "best" way to go (at least according to me), it's not really worth wasting time on.

You don't have to go to frat parties.
No one forces you to have sex with anybody (proof: you claim to be virgin).
You don't have to wear a miniskirt.
No one wants you to hang with hypocrites.

I used to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders too. At some point it became too heavy and I told myself "to hell with it, if people like it what way then fine for them, but I refuse to take any part of it".

You only have one life to live. Brooding will not solve anything. You admitted there was a few individuals out there that was worth your time. So spend time with them. Pick up sports you like, do whatever you want to do, no one will stop you. It's a waste of time to wail on things you cannot change because you... will not change them. Get busy, do what you think is best for you and all the crap the surrounds you will up being just a blur in the background.

Don't let it intrude and ruin your life. Focus on your business and do what you think is right.

[Axion004]

To the OP, the same thing happened to me when I entered College at eighteen.

Sure, I was raised a Christian but I was never very religious.

When I entered College at eighteen and went to the Frat Party in the second week of school I was absolutely disgusted by my peers. There was an abundance of alcohol with half naked girls and people making out with each other everywhere. Certainly not the type of environment that an introvert would be comfortable in.

But the reality is that you just have to deal with it. There is nothing you or I can do to change it(These peoples minds are controlled by the media and they will do whatever they can to be liked; regardless of the moral restrictions or consequences. It is all about fitting in with the crowd or something like that- I've never really quite understood why people feel the need to have to do these things in College)

But you don't need to get so obsessed over the other students who do this. Because you have decided not to do this- For better or worse; this is your own decision.

Now at the age of 22 it still bothers me that young people do all these things. But it is their live and they can choose to live it in whatever fashion they want to.

Are the youth of today heading in the right direction? Probably not; at least not from all the Television shows and movies that represent standardized College behavior. If people want to mimic what they see on Television; or what the older students told them to do- Then once again this is their own choice.

Arguing about this in the forum is immature anyway; of course people who get plastered and sleep with 30 different girls are going to have a different opinion from someone who chooses to say no.

Personally, I became a little disappointed because a girl I liked just so happened to be a club/rave girl. And I didn't even realize that she did all these things and once I found out a small part of my natural resistance to primitive human behavior seemed to die. I still liked her even though I knew she was involved in all these things; and I couldn't make a logical reason why.

And I don't believe that has anything to do with ISTJ or INTJ. It is more about the moral sense of the individual. Don't let yourself get too focused by what other people are doing anyway.

Actually, I plan on having more fun when I get older but for me this will be vacations, exploration, sports and exercise, and other activities. For now I am content sticking to the books.

	Originally Posted by Blse To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Ok, first even when people engage in binge drinking and engage in sexual encounters with many strangers, that does not make them retarded or imoral. My dad engaged in these behaviors and yet ended up with a Ph.D. (honors), a repectable career and has been nothing but responsible, loving and dedicated father

Pretty much exactly the same as my dad minus the PHD. Although I wouldn't say calling him retarded at the ages of 18-22 when all he did is drink, party, and drink would necessary be an incorrect statement. I guess humans go through certain stages.

	Originally Posted by Random
	While I do not know you, remember that there are always people who are far smarter, and far dumber.

To me all humans are stupid.

[nettneu]

	Originally Posted by Axion004 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	There was an abundance of alcohol with half naked girls and people making out with each other everywhere. Certainly not the type of environment that an introvert would be comfortable in.

As an introvert, I don't find that remotely uncomfortable. The sort of parties where you're just supposed to make conversation, or show off your dancing, now they're what I call uncomfortable.