[liquidzilla]

What would an INTJ do? Would they be ''evil'' or ''good''?
I personally believe any INTJ of average/low mental health would cause destruction in the name of their ideals (good examples of this are fictional characters, such as Lelouch and Kira/Light in anime. Both are given the power of God, start out wanting to change the world for the better and then becoming destructive to all those around them).
An INTJ of high mental health may use the power for general ''good'' however.

[Athene]

I can't imagine an INTJ not choosing the greater good... maybe I'm naive.

[coffeeholic]

Originally Posted by liquidzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What would an INTJ do? Would they be ''evil'' or ''good''? I personally believe any INTJ of average/low mental health would cause destruction in the name of their ideals (good examples of this are fictional characters, such as Lelouch and Kira/Light in anime. Both are given the power of God, start out wanting to change the world for the better and then becoming destructive to all those around them).

....well I can certainly think of a particular INTJ person I know...

no names will be mentioned though

[Synamon]

So to paraphrase, dumb people are evil and smart people are good? What does intelligence have to do with morals?

[themuzicman]

Well, the world would be quickly transformed into the vision the INTJ has for the world.. and fixed.. and fixed again.. and fixed again.... and...

Oh, and no one would ever have any fun
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[Alex]

If I were a god? There would be no such thing as free will. Life wouldn't simply be a sorting ground for those going to heaven vs. those going to hell. I'd expect life to be respected - just because you'd have no problem going straight to "hell" because you like murdering people doesn't mean I, as a god, would allow you that ability.

I have always detested the idea of complete and unfailing forgiveness for any trespass that seems to accompany at least Christianity and Judaism. I don't believe it should even take "one strike" to know that, say, as an adult you're not supposed to sexually abuse children. Or murder in cold blood. Or rape someone.

If I were a god, people who did those things would die. Immediately.

If you steal $20, you'll find that $20 of your own money or equivalent property would come up missing. Or the person will simply be "warned" by way of a "little birdie" telling them.

Beyond that, people could more or less do what they wanted to do. Want to eat pork, drink alcohol, be a prostitute, talk shit about Me (blaspheme)? Go for it. I don't care if you honor your mother and father; there are plenty of mothers and fathers who have done nothing to deserve honor. Covet your neighbors wife or goods all you want to; as long as you don't intend to steal, whatever.

If you want to see or hear me, I'll make myself available; no having to second-guess MY existence. Prayers for specific things are welcome, because as a god, I will have no "plan"; deaths can be totally random and accidental. If you're particularly attached to someone dying of a disease, call me up; I'll see what I can do to heal them.

I won't do "visions" or "signs" - if I want you to know something, I'll tell you. Or at least e-mail or text.

I'd clarify a few tricky areas, such as: abortion (it's okay; have as many as you like), homosexuality (love is love), marriage (I want nothing to do with your decision to join up with someone), and so on.

My principle would be to simply live and let live, unless you're unable to allow your fellow man to do the same (whereupon I'd become all Old Testamentily wrathful).

[liquidzilla]

Synamon - No, I mean healthy as in mentally stable, not intelligent. (Thanks for moving the topic!)

Interesting, I would probably also be wrathful, as Alex stated, when I believed it was right. I guess no INTJs world would be perfect, as everyone wants something different (obvious I know!) I think INTJs are so critical, some especially of themselves and what they do (not the only type, but as the topic's about them I'm using them) they would probably never be happy with the world and would end up destroying it either through frustration or by involving themselves too much.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by liquidzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Synamon - No, I mean healthy as in mentally stable, not intelligent.

So mentally unstable people will be evil and mentally stable people will be good, regardless of their own morals or ethics? I don't see the connection as that black and white, but if it was wouldn't that apply to all personality types, not specifically to INTJs?

[ATCGs]

Logic is simply a way to be wrong with confidence. I have no doubt that an INTJ would take actions using the power of god that were coherent with that INTJ's personal worldview.

No guarantee on how good that would be for the rest of the world.

[liquidzilla]

Synamon - Sorry I'm not explaining myself well today! I mean....those who are in higher states of mental health....as in the INTJ being more fair/using their Te and Ni together ect (Sorry, it's very hard to explain)

ATCG - I know what you mean, I was just wondering what an INTJ, such as yourself, would do with such power and if you believe you would use it for good/evil ect

[MrDoom]

Being a god, notions of "right" and "wrong" (which I do not believe in, regardless) would be arbitrary. Anything done would be reversible also.

Basically as a god anything you do would ultimately not matter.

[Quite8the8bell]

INTJs mentally unstable? Are you joking? You should elaborate "unstable."

I would go for the good with freedom, not the dark misery.

[liquidzilla]

	Originally Posted by quite8the8bell To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	INTJs mentally unstable? Are you joking? You should elaborate "unstable." I would go for the good with freedom, not the dark misery.

I did try and correct myself in my last post, I explained I'm not explaining what I mean well tonight, I'm sorry.

[ATCGs]

My point was, inevitably, were I to have god-like powers, I would use them in a way that I thought would be best for the world, but being INTJ doesn't guarantee anything about actually knowing what is best, and it wouldn't necessarily mean everyone else would see those actions as good.

[NoStoneUnturned]

	Originally Posted by Athene To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I can't imagine an INTJ not choosing the greater good... maybe I'm naive.

Yes, you are naive.

	Originally Posted by quite8the8bell To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	INTJs mentally unstable? Are you joking? You should elaborate "unstable." I would go for the good with freedom, not the dark misery.

I would have to agree with the main-poster-guy here, stable vs. unstable is often the best sign of mental health (if one is just going for a basic rule of thumb). However, some types, such as ESFJs or ESTJs will probably look normal and their unstable nature might actually help them get ahead in the backwards/materialistic structure of our society. (they will do things like be neurotically on time and into money and social status.)

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	Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	So to paraphrase, dumb people are evil and smart people are good? What does intelligence have to do with morals?

"Corruption of the soul is a fate that befalls the weak(/stupid)."
The foolish person will let them self become unstable.

Originally Posted by liquidzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What would an INTJ do? Would they be ''evil'' or ''good''? I personally believe any INTJ of average/low mental health would cause destruction in the name of their ideals (good examples of this are fictional characters, such as Lelouch and Kira/Light in anime. Both are given the power of God, start out wanting to change the world for the better and then becoming destructive to all those around them). An INTJ of high mental health may use the power for general ''good'' however.

I like to use Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z to thinking about this idea. He is pretty much full blown INTJ. In the beginning he let his hate control him (I think a lot of his hate might of came from the fact that he was different, bla bla bla) and from it his life goal was to destroy/rule the world and kill Goku. By the end, he realized that hurting others not only made life harder on himself but was wrong because of the unneeded/unjustifiable suffering it caused. Eventually, he became good friends with Goku. Piccolo as an MBTI type didn't change. What changed was his level of neuroticism (stable/unstable).

[Athene]

	Originally Posted by NoStoneUnturned To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yes, you are naive.

So INTJs would run amock, destroy the earth, install logic chips into everyone's brains, what?

Even simple psychology shows that people (no matter what their mental state) always take the path of greater good. Sometimes/often that is a completely misguided, confused, and ultimately destructive path, but I tend to think INTJs are future-oriented and thoughtful enough to do a good job.

I know I would. Just give me a chance to rule the world.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Athene To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

So INTJs would run amock, destroy the earth, install logic chips into everyone's brains, what? Even simple psychology shows that people (no matter what their mental state) always take the path of greater good. Sometimes/often that is a completely misguided, confused, and ultimately destructive path, but I tend to think INTJs are future-oriented and thoughtful enough to do a good job. I know I would. Just give me a chance to rule the world.

I see LOADS of INTJ's who identify as Libertarians. In my mind, Libertarians often keep a very consistent code of ethics that they will not violate, even if acting against them seems to serve "the greater good" or is supposedly morally right. For instance: most people think that legally prohibiting drug use protects society. Conversely, most Libertarians believe that restricting consumption of any substance is a violation of liberty that isn't justified because of the short-sighted desire to "protect society" from its own conscious decisions. Even if we can foresee there being problems with a specific course of action, I believe we tend to think and judge evenly and consistently, rather than attack problems with knee-jerk emotion.

So, I think I understand the OP's question and, yes, I believe INTJ's in general would be among the best suited for high rule.

[Athene]

	Originally Posted by ATCGs To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Logic is simply a way to be wrong with confidence.

So, are you implying all logic is wrong? Call me Spock, but I'm having trouble with this concept.

[BostonIan]

At first, I'd be Pharaoh. I'd organize my favored people into a tribe, give them favored traits and teach them how to perfect themselves, supersede all other tribes. Most likely, I'd keep a harem of all the most attractive women in the world, and father most of the tribe by myself.

When the time came, I'd probably lead them in battle, if only because I'd always thought it was cool to, say, play football without getting hurt, having superpowers. I'm sure we'd have no trouble conquering the world and securing more land and attractive women.

As the years went on, the novelty of superpowers would wear off, and each extra wife and child would make every wife and child a fraction less important. The tribe, spread along the corners of the world, would slide into an era of peace, then develop separate customs, cultures, even religions. It would be for me to either remove free will from the tribe, or continually groom each new generation of each herd, smiting those who opposed me.

Over the long haul, I'd be faced with the choice of controlled antiseptic peace and moral perfection; tranquility, sugarless lollipops, society as a well-groomed lawn. Or, return the world to how it was before I got it, the wilderness of good and bad and plain, all mixed-up together.

I'd eventually choose the latter, but still keep a small harem of favored women.

[Athene]

Originally Posted by BostonIan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

At first, I'd be Pharaoh. I'd organize my favored people into tribe, give them favored traits and teach them how to organize themselves successfully against other tribes. Most likely, I'd keep a harem of all the most attractive women in the world, and father most of the tribe by myself. When the time came, I'd probably lead them in battle, if only because I'd always thought it was cool to, say, play football without getting hurt, having superpowers. I'm sure we'd have no trouble conquering the world and securing more land and attractive women for our tribe. As the years went on, the novelty of superpowers would war off, and each extra wife and child would make every wife and child a fraction less important. The tribe, spread along the corners of the world, would slide into an era of peace, then develop separate customs, cultures, even religions. It would be for me to either remove free will from the tribe, continually groom each new generation of the each herd, smiting those who opposed me. Over the long haul, I'd be faced with the choice of controlled antiseptic peace and moral perfection. Tranquility, sugarless lollipops, society as a well-groomed lawn. Or, return the world to how it was before I got it, the wilderness of good and bad and plain, all mixed-up together. I'd eventually choose the latter, but still keep a small harem of favored women.

I just realized I hadn't even considered superpowers.

I see no flaw in your plan for world domination. It sounds like you've given it some thought, and proves my point: INTJs will use their powers for good, not evil.

[Xanthippe]

If I had divine powers, I think the world might be slightly better, but I doubt others would agree with my definition of 'better'. There would probably be just as much suffering and stupidity, because I believe there must be balance and justice. I would want everyone born with equal opportunities, so that their lives would be determined entirely by how they made decisions (circumstances could no longer be used as an excuse). This is my view of justice. There would be suffering, but it would be dealt out according to people's actions, not according to accidents of birth. I don't believe in heaven and hell; if we remain conscious after death, I don't think we get sorted into different worlds or anything. So any justice would have to take place in the mortal world, and I would simply be there to prevent material circumstances from interfering.

This is an interesting question to answer, as I am an atheist and an existentialist, so the very concept of godlike powers is problematic for me. Furthermore, I have little to no desire to control others, so if I really had supernatural powers right now, I would probably just go after my own private desires: to be utterly free to pursue happiness as long as I didn't hurt others, to create meaning, to amass as much knowledge as possible, and to enjoy sensual pleasures in moderation without adverse consequences.

[sonofone]

Originally Posted by liquidzilla To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What would an INTJ do? Would they be ''evil'' or ''good''? I personally believe any INTJ of average/low mental health would cause destruction in the name of their ideals (good examples of this are fictional characters, such as Lelouch and Kira/Light in anime. Both are given the power of God, start out wanting to change the world for the better and then becoming destructive to all those around them). An INTJ of high mental health may use the power for general ''good'' however.

a. Wow...
b. You are supporting your argument on fictional characters.
c. You have structured your argument so those who are "of average/low mental health" would be the only ones to disagree with you.
d. What is the power of God?
e. You couldn't be more general about everything. Getting past a sentence like "What would an INTJ do? Would they be 'evil' or 'good'?" Everything you wrote is so open for interpretation, that the only ones who would humor you are self pleasuring narcissist.

[Athene]

Originally Posted by sonofone To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

a. Wow... b. You are supporting your argument on fictional characters. c. You have structured your argument so those who are "of average/low mental health" would be the only ones to disagree with you. d. What is the power of God? e. You couldn't be more general about everything. Getting past a sentence like "What would an INTJ do? Would they be 'evil' or 'good'?" Everything you wrote is so open for interpretation, that the only ones who would humor you are self pleasuring narcissist.

Of course it's open to interpretation; it's all completely hypothetical, and the answer would center on your judgement of INTJs, both yourself and others.

It's interesting how many times INTJs throw out the term narcissist.

[ATCGs]

Logic, while helpful, cannot be universally applied without great wisdom, especially in more complex problems, because the number of confounding variables will increase dramatically with the complexity of the situation. In a situation involving many confounding variables (as many situations in life are), logic is simply a way to be wrong with confidence.

[Athene]

	Originally Posted by ATCGs To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Logic, while helpful, cannot be universally applied without great wisdom, especially in more complex problems, because the number of confounding variables will increase dramatically with the complexity of the situation. In a situation involving many confounding variables (as many situations in life are), logic is simply a way to be wrong with confidence.

You would have to be making a huge assumption: that one is not capable of logic.

Because, no matter how complex the problem, logic is still valid.

No matter how many variables, if logic has been applied exponentially, it is still right. That's the whole point. You can't change the definition based on your ability, or lack thereof, to apply it, due to the complexity of your problem.

dictionary.com log⋅ic  [loj-ik] –noun 1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference. 2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic. 3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study. 4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move. 5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts. 6. Computers. logic circuit. Origin: 1325–75; ME logik < L logica, n. use of neut. pl. (in ML taken as fem. sing.) of Gk logikós of speech or reason. See logo-, -ic