Does Pi end or repeat?

**shadowlock** · 10-07-2007, 07:54 AM

Sometimes during my spare time I use a program called QuickPi -
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It runs through the command line and allows you to calculate pi to whatever number you wish. The world record for a home PC was set with this program. You can easily calculate 100 million in about 10 minutes. You can also save to a file.

Someday I wish to break the record, or find some way for [ch960] to end or repeat. Do you think Pi will ever end or repeat?

EDIT: I personally think it will repeat.

**Voodoo Child** · 10-07-2007, 09:15 AM

It would be pretty ironic if pi, which has sort of an omnipresence in nature, turns out to be a never-ending never-repeating irrational number. Akin to how it'd be the height of irony if the Universe just turns out to be completely unorganized chaos, and the human invention we call mathematics can give nothing more than an approximation to the answers we seek.

Anyway, I don't really believe that, it would just be pretty damn funny. I think pi will eventually just end without really justifying why I think that (I don't really have a sufficient mathematical background to discuss why either). Just a gut-feeling, I guess.

**shadowlock** · 10-07-2007, 09:19 AM

Do you have a guess as to how many digits it will end at?

**Voodoo Child** · 10-07-2007, 09:36 AM

Well, I don't really think we will have the computational power to truly calculate pi for another decade or so. So I'm going to take a wild guess and say 3000 billion digits.

**shadowlock** · 10-07-2007, 10:00 AM

That quickpi lets you do whatever digits you want, it just takes time.

**bikerscars** · 10-07-2007, 10:02 AM

if it repeats then it also doesn't end

i think in much the same way the universe has no boundaries pi has no end...

we just do not comprehend the logic behind it all...

**Voodoo Child** · 10-07-2007, 10:06 AM

	Originally Posted by shadowlock
	That quickpi lets you do whatever digits you want, it just takes time.

Yeah exactly, too much time! Hehe.
What I'm thinking though, will it truly matter? Even if it did end, or repeat for that matter, will we ever really need to use pi THAT accurately?
Guess I'm just trying to see the usefulness in it, not disputing that it'd be very interesting though. It will be fun to find out, if we ever do.
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**shadowlock** · 10-07-2007, 11:46 AM

It's just a slightly entertaining hobby...

**rwyatt365** · 10-08-2007, 04:41 AM

Personally, I expect Pi never to repeat...just a never-ending series of random numbers ad-infinitum. Humans believe that everything is knowable and that we can know everything. To have Pi go on and on would show that everything is NOT knowable.

**INTJohn** · 10-08-2007, 06:48 AM

According to my experiment and resultant observational data pi definately ends.

I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast.

INTJohn

**rwyatt365** · 10-08-2007, 07:16 AM

	Originally Posted by INTJohn
	According to my experiment and resultant observational data pi definately ends. I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast. INTJohn

Apple, Cherry, or Bannana Cream?

**Jack** · 10-08-2007, 07:24 AM

	Originally Posted by INTJohn
	According to my experiement and resultant observational data pi definately ends. I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast. INTJohn

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I like pumpkin pie!

if pi is infinite, the universe must be as well, a sphere, every heavenly body is spherical in some way of another, so the universe is a chaotic ball full of electrons being pulled and pushed by other balls of full of electrons of equal or lesser size.

What's on the outside of this dark sphere?...An un-imaginably massive star, that or universe is rotating around,this star is so big and bright we can't see it because it's so far away, An Alpha Solar System, with all the universes rotating around the heart of the "multiverse" together. It's very hard for me to imagine that our universe is the only one and that it's stationary in it's present position, and not orbiting another useless(to us)source of energy.

**INTJohn** · 10-08-2007, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jack

Originally Posted by INTJohn

According to my experiement and resultant observational data pi definately ends.

I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast.

INTJohn

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I like pumpkin pie!

if pi is infinite, the universe must be as well, a sphere, every heavenly body is spherical in some way of another, so the universe is a chaotic ball full of electrons being pulled and pushed by other balls of full of electrons of equal or lesser size.

What's on the outside of this dark sphere?...An un-imaginably massive star, that or universe is rotating around,this star is so big and bright we can't see it because it's so far away, An Alpha Solar System, with all the universes rotating around the heart of the "multiverse" together. It's very hard for me to imagine that our universe is the only one and that it's stationary in it's present position, and not orbiting another useless(to us)source of energy.

So which way should this all go???

Diet & Nutrition or Cosmolgical Future of Mankind??

Pick a direction but we're gettin' off topic here.

INTJohn

**rwyatt365** · 10-08-2007, 07:46 AM

	Originally Posted by INTJohn
	So which way should this all go??? Diet & Nutrition or Cosmolgical Future of Mankind?? Pick a direction but we're gettin' off topic here. INTJohn

...which is a common occurance around these here parts!
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**bikerscars** · 10-08-2007, 07:47 AM

in the interest of science we need to see your methodology...

i personally want to see if i get the same results when i replicate the experiment...

lots of questions need to be answered...

pumpkin, apple, cherry; with/without toppings...

**wise** · 10-08-2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by INTJohn

Originally Posted by Jack

Originally Posted by INTJohn

According to my experiement and resultant observational data pi definately ends.

I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast.

INTJohn

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I like pumpkin pie!

if pi is infinite, the universe must be as well, a sphere, every heavenly body is spherical in some way of another, so the universe is a chaotic ball full of electrons being pulled and pushed by other balls of full of electrons of equal or lesser size.

What's on the outside of this dark sphere?...An un-imaginably massive star, that or universe is rotating around,this star is so big and bright we can't see it because it's so far away, An Alpha Solar System, with all the universes rotating around the heart of the "multiverse" together. It's very hard for me to imagine that our universe is the only one and that it's stationary in it's present position, and not orbiting another useless(to us)source of energy.

So which way should this all go???

Diet & Nutrition or Cosmolgical Future of Mankind??

Pick a direction but we're gettin' off topic here.

INTJohn

It appears that you started this divergence. I prefer pecan.

**rwyatt365** · 10-08-2007, 07:56 AM

So. Need we start a "Pi(e) Preference" thread to answer these burning questions?

BTW - does/should drink preference factor into the outcome? Does that affect the duration?

**INTJohn** · 10-08-2007, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by wise

Originally Posted by INTJohn

Originally Posted by Jack

Originally Posted by INTJohn

According to my experiement and resultant observational data pi definately ends.

I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast.

INTJohn

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I like pumpkin pie!

if pi is infinite, the universe must be as well, a sphere, every heavenly body is spherical in some way of another, so the universe is a chaotic ball full of electrons being pulled and pushed by other balls of full of electrons of equal or lesser size.

What's on the outside of this dark sphere?...An un-imaginably massive star, that or universe is rotating around,this star is so big and bright we can't see it because it's so far away, An Alpha Solar System, with all the universes rotating around the heart of the "multiverse" together. It's very hard for me to imagine that our universe is the only one and that it's stationary in it's present position, and not orbiting another useless(to us)source of energy.

So which way should this all go???

Diet & Nutrition or Cosmolgical Future of Mankind??

Pick a direction but we're gettin' off topic here.

INTJohn

It appears that you started this divergence. I prefer pecan.

OK; OK........

I'll choose Cosmological Future of Mankind.........

Its similar to the flight of the amazing Whiffle Bird which flies in a never ending curve having an ever decreasing radius till it disappears up its own asshole hence proving the existence of a Black Hole..........

INTJohn

**Jack** · 10-08-2007, 08:13 AM

	Originally Posted by INTJohn
	Its similar to the flight of the amazing Whiffle Bird which flies in a never ending curve having an ever decreasing radius till it disappears up its own asshole hence proving the existence of a Black Hole.......... INTJohn

Like goin down the toilet :-/

**INTJohn** · 10-08-2007, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jack

Originally Posted by INTJohn

Its similar to the flight of the amazing Whiffle Bird which flies in a never ending curve having an ever decreasing radius till it disappears up its own asshole hence proving the existence of a Black Hole..........

INTJohn

Like goin down the toilet :-/

The spirit's movin' me so I think thats where the pi's headed.......

INTJohn

**Guido** · 10-08-2007, 07:48 PM

I'm really confused... is this a joke thread?

**ben from below** · 10-09-2007, 11:04 AM

No mathematicians here, eh? Pi is irrational; in fact it's transcendental, so, no, it doesn't end or repeat.

**Tarrick** · 10-09-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Voodoo Child

It would be pretty ironic if pi, which has sort of an omnipresence in nature, turns out to be a never-ending never-repeating irrational number. Akin to how it'd be the height of irony if the Universe just turns out to be completely unorganized chaos, and the human invention we call mathematics can give nothing more than an approximation to the answers we seek.

Anyway, I don't really believe that, it would just be pretty damn funny. I think pi will eventually just end without really justifying why I think that (I don't really have a sufficient mathematical background to discuss why either). Just a gut-feeling, I guess.

It's because we're using a base 10 number system. The universe is not necessarily on that type of number system, now is it?

**Voodoo Child** · 10-10-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tarrick

Originally Posted by Voodoo Child

It would be pretty ironic if pi, which has sort of an omnipresence in nature, turns out to be a never-ending never-repeating irrational number. Akin to how it'd be the height of irony if the Universe just turns out to be completely unorganized chaos, and the human invention we call mathematics can give nothing more than an approximation to the answers we seek.

Anyway, I don't really believe that, it would just be pretty damn funny. I think pi will eventually just end without really justifying why I think that (I don't really have a sufficient mathematical background to discuss why either). Just a gut-feeling, I guess.

It's because we're using a base 10 number system. The universe is not necessarily on that type of number system, now is it?

I don't really see your logic, personally I wouldn't say the Universe is on any kind of number system.

	Originally Posted by ben from below
	No mathematicians here, eh? Pi is irrational; in fact it's transcendental, so, no, it doesn't end or repeat.

Yeah I feel kind of silly now, I knew pi was irrational so I guess I should've made the connection. Not a mathematician though so I guess I can hide behind that.
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**Guido** · 10-10-2007, 10:00 AM

	Originally Posted by ben from below
	No mathematicians here, eh? *Pi is irrational; in fact it's transcendental, so, no, it doesn't end or repeat.

Yeah... that's why I asked if this was a joke thread o.0 PI doesn't end and it doesn't repeat. This has been proven.

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10-07-2007, 07:54 AM	#1
shadowlock New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20	Sometimes during my spare time I use a program called QuickPi - To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. It runs through the command line and allows you to calculate pi to whatever number you wish. The world record for a home PC was set with this program. You can easily calculate 100 million in about 10 minutes. You can also save to a file. Someday I wish to break the record, or find some way for [ch960] to end or repeat. Do you think Pi will ever end or repeat? EDIT: I personally think it will repeat.
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10-07-2007, 09:15 AM	#2
Voodoo Child New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 24	It would be pretty ironic if pi, which has sort of an omnipresence in nature, turns out to be a never-ending never-repeating irrational number. Akin to how it'd be the height of irony if the Universe just turns out to be completely unorganized chaos, and the human invention we call mathematics can give nothing more than an approximation to the answers we seek. Anyway, I don't really believe that, it would just be pretty damn funny. I think pi will eventually just end without really justifying why I think that (I don't really have a sufficient mathematical background to discuss why either). Just a gut-feeling, I guess.
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10-07-2007, 09:19 AM	#3
shadowlock New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20	Do you have a guess as to how many digits it will end at?
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10-07-2007, 09:36 AM	#4
Voodoo Child New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 24	Well, I don't really think we will have the computational power to truly calculate pi for another decade or so. So I'm going to take a wild guess and say 3000 billion digits.
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10-07-2007, 10:00 AM	#5
shadowlock New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20	That quickpi lets you do whatever digits you want, it just takes time.
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10-07-2007, 10:02 AM	#6
bikerscars Member [03%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 140	if it repeats then it also doesn't end i think in much the same way the universe has no boundaries pi has no end... we just do not comprehend the logic behind it all...
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10-07-2007, 11:46 AM	#8
shadowlock New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20	It's just a slightly entertaining hobby...
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10-08-2007, 04:41 AM	#9
rwyatt365 Core Member [261%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,462	Personally, I expect Pi never to repeat...just a never-ending series of random numbers ad-infinitum. Humans believe that everything is knowable and that we can know everything. To have Pi go on and on would show that everything is NOT knowable.
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10-08-2007, 06:48 AM	#10
INTJohn Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 156	According to my experiment and resultant observational data pi definately ends. I made one a few days ago and had the last piece this morning for breakfast. INTJohn
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10-08-2007, 07:47 AM	#15
bikerscars Member [03%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 140	in the interest of science we need to see your methodology... i personally want to see if i get the same results when i replicate the experiment... lots of questions need to be answered... pumpkin, apple, cherry; with/without toppings...
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10-08-2007, 07:56 AM	#17
rwyatt365 Core Member [261%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,462	So. Need we start a "Pi(e) Preference" thread to answer these burning questions? BTW - does/should drink preference factor into the outcome? Does that affect the duration?
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10-08-2007, 07:48 PM	#21
Guido Member [05%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 222	I'm really confused... is this a joke thread?
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10-09-2007, 11:04 AM	#22
ben from below New Member [01%] MBTI: INTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1	No mathematicians here, eh? Pi is irrational; in fact it's transcendental, so, no, it doesn't end or repeat.
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