[Maddy]

...i can't figure out her type, but i'm leaning heavily toward ISFJ. she presents herself as this sweet old lady who loves everyone, works hard, is honest, and trustworthy. when i was training she was telling me and all the other new girls how she made a birthday cake for the retarded guy at work and how she tips everyone out (even though it isn't required) and how she stands up for the other bartenders, covers for them when the managers are looking for them, etc.

but after a few days (and talking to many people at work) it has become evident that she is a total phony...and cut-throat.

turns out she is manipulative, endears herself to people to gain their trust and then tells the managers and other co-workers all of their secrets and/or short-comings. i also witnessed someone tell her today, "darlene, if anyone looks for me i'm downstairs in human resources and i'll be right back okay?" and she said "okay, sure" then a few seconds later a manager came by asking about the girl and the sketchy old lady says "uh uh i haven't seen her." then when i reminded her she pretended to be confused and was like, "oooooh yeah. now i remember!" :/


she cares a lot about authority and emphasizes work ethic, is sneaky, and lives at home alone with like 15 or 16 animals (cats, dogs, and birds)

any thoughts on her type?

[Solaris]

Whatever her type, it's not a healthy type, which makes her harder to type. She could be some unhealthy sort of xSFJ -- either can be manipulative in the way you mentioned. However, other types could as well if they felt it justified their ends. Regardless, avoid her and don't tell her anything personal. Don't ask her to cover a shift or a break. Don't trust her at all.

[altoid]

	Originally Posted by Solaris To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Regardless, avoid her and don't tell her anything personal. Don't ask her to cover a shift or a break. Don't trust her at all.

Seconded. Nothing good can come of that. She reminds me very much of an (what I would consider to be unhealthy) ESFJ I know. I don't trust her to give me an honest drink recommendation, and I certainly wouldn't trust her with any personal information or, dear Zeus, to help me out when it would affect my job. I would apply the same discretion to interactions with your colleague.

[Frag]

Classic neurotic ESFJ. Do us all a favor and smite it immediately.

[JonD]

Yeah, stay away from her.

What's your manager like? Does he/she have any idea about this weird ladys' deceptiveness?

[Maddy]

	Originally Posted by JonD To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yeah, stay away from her. What's your manager like? Does he/she have any idea about this weird ladys' deceptiveness?

well, i think so. there are at least three different people "over" her so to speak, and she doesn't get along with at least two of them. one boss, an ENTJ lady who is really cool and used to be in the military, apparently sees straight through her b.s. and they don't get along at ALL.
the other guy, i think he is ESTP, seemingly "puts up with her" because she's old as methusaleh and has been there forever, but they have also come to blows a few times from what i hear.
but with the main manager she is a major suck-up so it kinda trumps her other bad relationships i guess.

it just angers me because i'm always inclined to trust people until they give me a reason NOT to (i don't think it is fair to go around skeptical of everyone and their intentions and, even though i catch myself being like that, i always make myself give people the benefit of the doubt) but then some crappy person comes along and takes advantage.

anyway, thanks for the advice guys. she definitely should be avoided at all costs. i am wondering, though, what makes you say ESFJ? is it because she flaunts her "goodness"? my INTJ buddy told me ppl like that tend to be liars and hypocrites
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he said to me: "The key trait of a true saint is modesty."

[Deadgod]

An ESFJ would imply that there is some emotional disposition towards people. I think ISFJ is very good impression since the work is the most dominant thing on her mind (Si), followed by the impression that she cares (Fe), but is insecure about her own feelings so she uncomfortably calculates how to cause harm to people (Ti), but if she had a bit of transcendence to her maybe she could "see" that the joke was played on her (Ne).

	my INTJ buddy told me ppl like that tend to be liars and hypocrites he said to me: "The key trait of a true saint is modesty.

Modesty yes but also counter with some tact.

I think this person just needs a bit of introspection. I think that ISFJs have too much of a submission to authority that they neglect their Fi alot. They are too busy disposing themselves to others a lot of the times. This leads me to believe that the auxilary function, when overutilized produces the counter-productive effects.

[SShack]

Oh, these people. I think I exist for the purpose of taking folks like this down, or at least trying to. I have to deal with a fellow manager who is like this. I've told both her and our boss that I don't trust her. I've told our boss that she doesn't get her work done, she doesn't run her department, and she spends much more of her time trying to look valuable than actually doing anything valuable, and then has the nerve to whine about other departments. I've actually told my boss that I'm more than willing to declare myself the supervisor of her employees in order to fix the problems.

Sometimes not being afraid to be the bigger asshole can be a good thing.

Unfortunately, my boss is ESTP, so there's very little accountability over anything. Almost all the other managers can't stand her and will have almost nothing to do with her.

[Frag]

	Originally Posted by Maddy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i am wondering, though, what makes you say ESFJ?

Between the two, when they become neurotic, ISFJs do so in a smaller area, closer to home.
They're not as overt or loud about it.

That, of course, only makes them more damaging - the difference between a tornado and a hurricane if you like.

Fark with your family, or fark with your whole neighbourhood.
ISFJ/ESFJ. Woo.

Disclaimer: Its late, I'm tired and I'm bitter, take it with a few grains.

[Hjordis]

Based solely on her large collection of animals at home, I would guess some type of introvert. I'm not very good at typing people though, so I can't say much more, and even that's probably wrong.

[Amphorian]

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	Based solely on her large collection of animals at home, I would guess some type of introvert. I'm not very good at typing people though, so I can't say much more, and even that's probably wrong.

Or she's an E that needs social contact twenty-four seven, but can't make any friends because of her personality so she socializes with other species.