[Stratego]

I think we can all agree that self discovery is an ongoing process, and that perhaps the MBTI is not the most precise instrument.

Perhaps we can also agree that closely related types, espcially those of us with the auxilliary TJ, can have many traits and behaviors in common, and that in some things, we might be mistaken as equals.

And again we can agree that some things are hard to measure--and that the "numbers" we get back from a test relate averages rather than absolutes, tendencies rather than hard-wired behaviors...

Even so...after working with a friend of mine who's a grad student in Psychology (I agreed to take part in several tests and experiments related to his thesis) and discussing the finer points of human psychology, cognitive theory and personality type, I think I may be, after all is said and done, an IsTJ.

F**k me, a bloody IsTJ.

If any of you recall from past postings, I once tested in my earliest college days as an INFP...
I was not terribly interested in MBTI or related theories at the time so thought nothing of it, and only casually related to the description of the type (I do recall thinking it wasn't very accurate)---and the careers that were suggested for that type were certainly no more than of passing interest to me.

So, fast foward roughly 10 years. Grad school. I test again, and find myself an INTJ. I take several such tests and come out nearly every time an INTJ. I read the desciption and I glory, because this is precisely what I am, at the core of me. I wonder at how I could do a 180 turn on those last two traits, but think this is due to personal choice and the benefits of education, maturity. But after discussion here and deep thought on my own, I think perhaps I wasn't truly FP---or maybe being the tender age of 18 (and horribly naive) had something to do with it...

But I was (and still am, to some degree) sure I was an INTJ.

For example, these all hold true for me:

• low tolerance for bullshit
• unemotional
• arrogant
• thinks most people are morons compared to her superior self
• creative and odd
• always felt totally different from 99% of the population
• values intelligence, competence, and efficiency
• looks at the big picture, and understand patterns, etc
• appreciates & courts theory and abstraction
• puts things together without reading the instructions

But now after talking to R. (my friend) at great length about the different cognitive processes, I'm forced to admit that more often than not I focus on the present, the concrete, and the practical applications/limits of knowledge and experience.

If something (anything) doesn't make sense to me, if I can't apply it to some practical end, then I dismiss it and move on to other things. I am open-minded and on cognitive tests I've come out as "balanced" (a result I loved to no end, you can imagine, so proud to feel I was a whole brain kind of thinker) so I'm always willing to hear another idea or approach, and will adopt anything that proves itself to me by my rigorous standards...

But my fascination and worship of facts, wonderful, cold hard facts and science is what tipped me over the edge, as R. and I concluded, makes me an "s," though it's close, because the numbers I got were 45% iNtuitive and 55% Sensing...

So...still love me?
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[Eleven]

	Originally Posted by Stratego
	if I can't apply it to some practical end, then I dismiss it and move on to other things.

I've seen that said of INTJs plenty of times.

	But my fascination and worship of facts, wonderful, cold hard facts and science is what tipped me over the edge

Ns can like facts. Ns can like facts from which to abstract and generalise. N isn't totally irrelevant to reality...and even if it were, you can have well developed S capacities (which you clearly already know, since you're in the process of concluding you're an S with strong N capacities).

And, while your J may not like indecision, and many think it's not an ontological category, you could always just opt for IxTJ.

[hauteur]

	But now after talking to R. (my friend) at great length about the different cognitive processes, I'm forced to admit that more often than not I focus on the present, the concrete, and the practical applications/limits of knowledge and experience.

Just my two cents, but this doesn't necessarily say to me that you would have to be an S. In my experience, this has seemed to an INTJ/INTP distinction as well. While I am perfectly comfortable in the abstract, things have to have some practical application in the concrete for it to matter - even if that practical application doesn't have impact in the immediate present. Said differently, it should be actionable. Many INTPs, however, don't always seem to share this need.

It doesn't take me very long to get bored with theoretical discussions that have no grounding in what is possible or practical. I could see how an outside observer could mistake that as focusing on the present or the concrete.

For a long time, I wondered whether I was INTP or INTJ as the P/J distinction is my lowest score. In the end, I figured it out by 1) seeing that the INTJ type description sounded way more like me and 2) having debate/discussion with INTPs and INTJs showed me that I am not on the same wavelength as most INTPs. I have also looked at ISTJ and that is definately, positively not me.

In the end, you just have to figure out which one is the best fit and go with it - even if the best fit is in the gray area between S and N.

[PreyingMantis]

Don't ever ever ever believe a psychology "professional" or test above what you know to be true about yourself. Tests are only approximations - maybe you gave the "wrong" answers at the time. Lots of tests and test-givers are not that great. If you trully admire, relate to, and are attracted to the qualities of an INTJ then you are an INTJ. Creative and odd are definitely not typical ISTJ traits and same with seeing the big picture more than the little details - i would use that as a benchmark.

[pocohauntus]

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Just my two cents, but this doesn't necessarily say to me that you would have to be an S. In my experience, this has seemed to an INTJ/INTP distinction as well. While I am perfectly comfortable in the abstract, things have to have some practical application in the concrete for it to matter - even if that practical application doesn't have impact in the immediate present. Said differently, it should be actionable. Many INTPs, however, don't always seem to share this need. It doesn't take me very long to get bored with theoretical discussions that have no grounding in what is possible or practical. I could see how an outside observer could mistake that as focusing on the present or the concrete.

Thanks for writing this - you've said exactly what I think and feel about the "actionable" part of the equation.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by Stratego To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But my fascination and worship of facts, wonderful, cold hard facts and science is what tipped me over the edge, as R. and I concluded, makes me an "s," though it's close, because the numbers I got were 45% iNtuitive and 55% Sensing... So...still love me? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What's wrong with being an S? Have you read all the problems people here have fitting into SJ society? I dunno, it might be nice to naturally fit. To live in the moment without actively trying. To have other people understand your instructions. To get out of my own head more. I've been trying to improve those things about myself for years and develop my sensing functions.

If you are balanced then you probably can use both N and S depending on the situation. Nothing wrong with that.

[mnmeq]

Originally Posted by hauteur To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Just my two cents, but this doesn't necessarily say to me that you would have to be an S. In my experience, this has seemed to an INTJ/INTP distinction as well. While I am perfectly comfortable in the abstract, things have to have some practical application in the concrete for it to matter - even if that practical application doesn't have impact in the immediate present. Said differently, it should be actionable. Many INTPs, however, don't always seem to share this need. It doesn't take me very long to get bored with theoretical discussions that have no grounding in what is possible or practical. I could see how an outside observer could mistake that as focusing on the present or the concrete. ....

Increasingly over the years I've found myself becoming more consciously judicious about mental resource allocation. I try to limit involvement (although sometimes unsuccessfully) in things that through repeated exposure have revealed themselves to be essentially hamster wheels. For me it stems not from any distaste for the abstract, but irritation with repetition.

[Allie]

Time for me to stick my nose in these discussions. I like ISTJ. I am still not sure why there seemed to be perceived marks against these combined letters.

Generally speaking, I have a weakness for IxTJ*, or anyone who is disciplined and balanced in his/her approach. That is quite ideal to me.

Bottom line, don't let yourself be boxed in by these letters. I think of them as our comfort zones. The challenge is to be flexible in stepping outside of them when need be. If you can, more power to you.

If anyone is in obvious and typical MBTI "XXXX" mode, I am compelled to tease them, myself included.
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*OK. I am bias since my husband is one.
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[Storm]

Nothing you've described is inconsistent with being an INTJ.

The "J" in the INTJ makes shim want to apply shis theories to the real world. Have you seen the amount of concrete facts people demand around here to back up your theories?

I would look into the cognitive functions. Do you get ideas out of nowhere and then check them with logic? Do you look at the big picture and look for the details?

Or do you carefully build up to big ideas based on details? Do you primarily get ideas from the concrete world that you observe?

[altoid]

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	In the end, you just have to figure out which one is the best fit and go with it - even if the best fit is in the gray area between S and N.

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I think a lot of people attempt to define themselves by their letters rather than using them as a tool of understanding. Just read different type descriptions to see what you identify with the most and go from there. I know there can be a bit of S-hate running through this forum from time to time, but there's nothing wrong with being an S (or any other letter), and a well-balanced one at that.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but someone made a brief comment in another thread (I can't remember which one) to the effect of formal education helping to tone-down N and develop S. I've been thinking about this lately. While I don't think it's necessarily the case, I could see where they were coming from. Do you think your graduate schooling played any role in further shaping your N/S preference?

[Chemist]

I'm an INTJ but most of my coworkers are ISTJs (a lot of us took the test a few weeks ago for kicks)...

On the surface we appear to be pretty similar - and honestly before taking the test I would've guessed that we all probably had the same personality type - but the major differences between me (the INTJ) and my ISTJ coworkers seems to be how we view the rules... I see the rules as suggestions that are not above ignoring, modifying, or being subject to a complete overhaul... the INTPs seem to view the "rules" in the same way that I do...

The ISTJs on the other hand absolutely will not EVER break the rules - not like federal laws or anything but more in the sense that they will never do do anything different than the way "it's always been done before" and depending on the situation I am usually more than willing to completely ignore "the way it's always been done before" for the sake of reaching the end result...

Also...
I agree with the post above from altoid as well...
I think in grad school they do try to limit intuition but I've found that rather than loosing my intuition I've learned to apply it differently... in the end you just can't get papers published on intuition... but I think intuition can definitely lead to new discoveries it just has to ultimately be backed up with verifiable and repeatable evidence... so maybe a person in grad school might seem more like an ISTJ due to training but is still and INTJ in regards to how they process information etc... etc...

Please post what you ultimately decide I'm interested to know.
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I should also add that I don't think there is anything wrong with being an ISTJ... I'm curious more on how static the personality types really are and if certain [more balanced people, unfortunately not me..
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] go through some sort of personality continuum throughout their lives... thereby making personality classifications somewhat useless for them..

[Stratego]

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What's wrong with being an S? Have you read all the problems people here have fitting into SJ society? I dunno, it might be nice to naturally fit. To live in the moment without actively trying. To have other people understand your instructions. To get out of my own head more. I've been trying to improve those things about myself for years and develop my sensing functions. If you are balanced then you probably can use both N and S depending on the situation. Nothing wrong with that.

Thank you, Synamon.

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	Increasingly over the years I've found myself becoming more consciously judicious about mental resource allocation. I try to limit involvement (although sometimes unsuccessfully) in things that through repeated exposure have revealed themselves to be essentially hamster wheels. For me it stems not from any distaste for the abstract, but irritation with repetition.

Exactly. I don't tire of exploring theory, or talking about and thinking about grand theories like those in physics (which fascinates me) but I do tire of theoretical hocus pocus that circles the issues or ideas without actually going anywhere. To be a bit vulgar, I loathe mental masturbation for it's own sake.

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Nothing you've described is inconsistent with being an INTJ. The "J" in the INTJ makes shim want to apply shis theories to the real world. Have you seen the amount of concrete facts people demand around here to back up your theories? I would look into the cognitive functions. Do you get ideas out of nowhere and then check them with logic? Do you look at the big picture and look for the details? Or do you carefully build up to big ideas based on details? Do you primarily get ideas from the concrete world that you observe?

I do both, truly. I know I often complain about the negative bastards at work---but this has been the case most places I've worked---I have to conform, so to speak, to the common way of doing things, so I often go by the standard procedure (until they stop watching me/monitoring me, that is) and then branch off when I'm tired of playing by the rules. Which brings me to the next comment:

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	...the major differences between me (the INTJ) and my ISTJ coworkers seems to be how we view the rules... I see the rules as suggestions that are not above ignoring, modifying, or being subject to a complete overhaul... the INTPs seem to view the "rules" in the same way that I do...The ISTJs on the other hand absolutely will not EVER break the rules...

And therein lies the crux of my self-proclaimed INTJ-ness. I loathe "the rules," even the very phrase makes me grit my teeth, because while I see the value in practical rules like "no running on the wet tile," and so on, most rules to me seem ridiculous, limiting, rigid, and anal. I often break rules or simply ignore them---

But again, as a white collar professional certain behaviors are expected and required of me if I'm to perform well enough to pass a performance evalutation. (damn those tihngs) So I walk the walk and talk the talk to get them off my back and keep myself out of trouble.

In fact, if I might share---this last year on the job has been the toughest ever for me. I've had to carefully and painfully construct a new "working" me in stark contrast to the "actual" me. In particular I've had to practice assuming a (constant) sunny expression, smiling more often, "softening the blow" when I have to say no to patrons about something, and "following procedures and policies" that I think are asinine.

[dogwoodlover]

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I think we can all agree that self discovery is an ongoing process, and that perhaps the MBTI is not the most precise instrument. Perhaps we can also agree that closely related types, espcially those of us with the auxilliary TJ, can have many traits and behaviors in common, and that in some things, we might be mistaken as equals. <snip> But now after talking to R. (my friend) at great length about the different cognitive processes, I'm forced to admit that more often than not I focus on the present, the concrete, and the practical applications/limits of knowledge and experience. If something (anything) doesn't make sense to me, if I can't apply it to some practical end, then I dismiss it and move on to other things. I am open-minded and on cognitive tests I've come out as "balanced" (a result I loved to no end, you can imagine, so proud to feel I was a whole brain kind of thinker) so I'm always willing to hear another idea or approach, and will adopt anything that proves itself to me by my rigorous standards... But my fascination and worship of facts, wonderful, cold hard facts and science is what tipped me over the edge, as R. and I concluded, makes me an "s," though it's close, because the numbers I got were 45% iNtuitive and 55% Sensing... So...still love me? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Most of what you described as "S" traits can be found manifesting in the INTJs auxiliary Te function. What you should look into is the Si vs Se descriptions. Some (though not many) INTJs have a strong inferior Se, which when coupled with Te, can give them a very "factual" appearance. I'm not convinced that your descriptions decisively indicate ISTJ over INTJ, though you could be an ISTJ nonetheless.

P.S. to be honest, balances between dominant and inferior functions are rather rare... they're much much more common between auxiliary and tertiary functions (i.e. more INTJs are balanced in T/F than N/S)

Perhaps you're I--P rather than I--J? (that just means your decision-making functions are most polarized rather than information-gathering) For instance, I would suspect someone who tests "INTJ" with a fair balance on S/N but with a polarization on T/F would most likely be INTP. Could you imagine an ENFP or an ENTP having balanced N and S functions?
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EDIT: Sorry, skipped the other posts. My apologies for being redundant.

[Stratego]

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Most of what you described as "S" traits can be found manifesting in the INTJs auxiliary Te function. What you should look into is the Si vs Se descriptions. Some (though not many) INTJs have a strong inferior Se, which when coupled with Te, can give them a very "factual" appearance. I'm not convinced that your descriptions decisively indicate ISTJ over INTJ, though you could be an ISTJ nonetheless. P.S. to be honest, balances between dominant and inferior functions are rather rare... they're much much more common between auxiliary and tertiary functions (i.e. more INTJs are balanced in T/F than N/S) Perhaps you're I--P rather than I--J? (that just means your decision-making functions are most polarized rather than information-gathering) For instance, I would suspect someone who tests "INTJ" with a fair balance on S/N but with a polarization on T/F would most likely be INTP. Could you imagine an ENFP or an ENTP having balanced N and S functions? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. EDIT: Sorry, skipped the other posts. My apologies for being redundant.

Yes, correct...and very astute of you. We talked about this (my friend and I) because there is some overlap there, as well (in auxilliary functions). As I've read further on MBTI, I found that it is rare to show a balance between dominant and inferior functions---but on the cognition tests I consistently demonstrated left brain / right brain "switching," as he (my friend) described it, and a true iffy-ness on these two functions. So maybe I'm the exception?

[Chemist]

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In fact, if I might share---this last year on the job has been the toughest ever for me. I've had to carefully and painfully construct a new "working" me in stark contrast to the "actual" me. In particular I've had to practice assuming a (constant) sunny expression, smiling more often, "softening the blow" when I have to say no to patrons about something, and "following procedures and policies" that I think are asinine.

I'm so sorry to hear that... I know exactly what you mean... I have also found that certain people are incapable of having a discussion about the facts of a situation without getting their feelings hurt (regardless of personality type) and this seems to be another source of frustration for me at work... The expected "sunny" expression in this situation is very difficult for me to accomplish...

I like to be efficient which people are always mistaking for my lack of feelings. My coworkers call me the robot and they all think that I find them stupid - when honestly I think they're all brilliant...

Sigh.. I think the problems start when somebody f$cks-up... they think I'm thinking they're stupid when really I'm just thinking lets fix it... I don't think any less of them for making mistakes since I'm always doing it too - but why everybody has to have a feel good session before they address someone's f%ck-up is beyond me...

I was actually told once.. "try telling the person 2 or 3 things you like about them or their idea before you tell them that they've made a mistake"...
sigh... why not just say "hey this is wrong got any ideas to fix it - here are mine - what do you think?" This is absolutely what I expect whenever I make mistakes... in fact I actually get agitated when people try to sugarcoat my mistakes because it takes longer for us to find a solution that way.

[Stratego]

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I'm so sorry to hear that... I know exactly what you mean... I have also found that certain people are incapable of having a discussion about the facts of a situation without getting their feelings hurt (regardless of personality type) and this seems to be another source of frustration for me at work... The expected "sunny" expression in this situation is very difficult for me to accomplish... I like to be efficient which people are always mistaking for my lack of feelings. My coworkers call me the robot and they all think that I find them stupid - when honestly I think they're all brilliant... Sigh.. I think the problems start when somebody f$cks-up... they think I'm thinking they're stupid when really I'm just thinking lets fix it... I don't think any less of them for making mistakes since I'm always doing it too - but why everybody has to have a feel good session before they address someone's f%ck-up is beyond me... I was actually told once.. "try telling the person 2 or 3 things you like about them or their idea before you tell them that they've made a mistake"... sigh... why not just say "hey this is wrong got any ideas to fix it - here are mine - what do you think?" This is absolutely what I expect whenever I make mistakes... in fact I actually get agitated when people try to sugarcoat my mistakes because it takes longer for us to find a solution that way.

Yes, my experience has been the same.

I too value effciency and precision, especially in work-related conversation. I don't mince words, and don't believe in padding someone's ego when they've done something wrong. What does that serve, exactly?

Example: I come over to a coworker's desk and ask for a particular print-out or something, and I invariably get the "what, no hello?" or some other nonsense when at the moment it isn't necessary to exchange hellos (since we did so that very morning coming in).

I have a similar approach to the patrons. If they ask a broad question then I point it out. i.e. "do you have books on math?" I then say--"what kind of math, precisely, as there is more than one form, like algebra or geometry...or are you looking for a book on arithmetic?"

When I say things like that I get feedback from supervisors saying I sound "snotty" and "unfriendly," and "too abrupt." It's been very frustrating trying to find of way of phrasing myself that doesn't lead to these conclusions...

[DanteFalling]

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F**k me, a bloody IsTJ. If any of you recall from past postings, I once tested in my earliest college days as an INFP... low tolerance for bullshit unemotional arrogant thinks most people are morons compared to her superior self creative and odd always felt totally different from 99% of the population values intelligence, competence, and efficiency looks at the big picture, and understand patterns, etc appreciates & courts theory and abstraction puts things together without reading the instructions

My mother is the most intensely INFP person I've ever met IRL.
The following of the above list apply to her

• low tolerance for bullshit
• arrogant
• creative and odd
• always felt totally different from 99% of the population
• values intelligence, competence, and efficiency

When I was a child, she used to believe I was EXACTLY like her. She still thinks this to a degree. She just can't understand my need for things to work, my lack of a need for constant harmony, and my feeling that someone is merely stupid if they try to hurt me (they're not, as she believes, Satan incarnate for hurting a poor NF).

Personally, I value when I put myself into what I take as ISTJ mode. It get sooooo much done! I can only do it while holding my breath, but I value it.

Also, your avatar is pretty, so on that strictly logical evidence, the newb that I am is going to declare you still okay. :P
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[Stratego]

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My mother is the most intensely INFP person I've ever met IRL. The following of the above list apply to her low tolerance for bullshit arrogant creative and odd always felt totally different from 99% of the population values intelligence, competence, and efficiency When I was a child, she used to believe I was EXACTLY like her. She still thinks this to a degree. She just can't understand my need for things to work, my lack of a need for constant harmony, and my feeling that someone is merely stupid if they try to hurt me (they're not, as she believes, Satan incarnate for hurting a poor NF). Personally, I value when I put myself into what I take as ISTJ mode. It get sooooo much done! I can only do it while holding my breath, but I value it. Also, your avatar is pretty, so on that strictly logical evidence, the newb that I am is going to declare you still okay. :P To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Thank you!

I know for sure I'm not an F---the very idea of being emotional or emotive is vomit-inducing to me. Emotions freak me out.
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(And please take no offense at this statement on behalf of your mother, for I do not mean any slight to her, truly.)

And I know I'm not a true P either---I like conclusions. I like to have things settled, decided and resolved, and I usually have very detailed plans for everything, including what I do when I get up in the morning (i.e. eat oatmeal at 6:30; brush teeth at 7;00; let dog out at 7:15, etc) like a running list in my head. Sometimes when I'm waiting for Dexter to do his business, and I realize he's going to take longer than I anticipate, I go on to the next task on the list that can be best accomplished in the next (theoretical) five minutes, like packing my yogurt in my lunch...I leave nothing open to a "see how it goes" attitude.

[Chemist]

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Thank you! I know for sure I'm not an F---the very idea of being emotional or emotive is vomit-inducing to me. Emotions freak me out. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. (And please take no offense at this statement on behalf of your mother, for I do not mean any slight to her, truly.) And I know I'm not a true P either---I like conclusions. I like to have things settled, decided and resolved, and I usually have very detailed plans for everything, including what I do when I get up in the morning (i.e. eat oatmeal at 6:30; brush teeth at 7;00; let dog out at 7:15, etc) like a running list in my head. Sometimes when I'm waiting for Dexter to do his business, and I realize he's going to take longer than I anticipate, I go on to the next task on the list that can be best accomplished in the next (theoretical) five minutes, like packing my yogurt in my lunch...I leave nothing open to a "see how it goes" attitude.

I dunno after reading more of your posts you seem like an INTJ to me. : )
I think you're probably just really really well balanced - rare as it might be - even if it makes you the only one...

so hello really well balanced INTJ.. nice to meet you...

Also as others have pointed out... you know yourself better than anyone else and I think you should go with what you feel you are before you go with what someone else types you as... : )

[cmrain]

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	But now after talking to R. (my friend) at great length about the different cognitive processes, I'm forced to admit that more often than not I focus on the present, the concrete, and the practical applications/limits of knowledge and experience. If something (anything) doesn't make sense to me, if I can't apply it to some practical end, then I dismiss it and move on to other things.

What you describe above sounds like a life skill to me. I identify with what you say but cultivating this skill is not something that came naturally to me. I struggle with it to this day.

Much of what you write above is linked to your ability to control your focus. You are choosing to focus on the practical because it gets you somewhere and you recognize the value in being able to do so. It is very powerful. One of my favorite definitions of happiness is based on achieving focus and control. It may or may not come naturally to us to put an eye on the concrete and practical as a default, but we can achieve great satisfaction and even happiness by cultivating the ability to do so.

[Plane Stress]

As long as it's only a small S..... kidding. The more diversity the better as far as I'm concerned. Textbook MBTI types are boring.

[AnotherNormal]

What is your style of cooking ? intj vs. istj has been discussed before, this may help clarify:
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