[Brion]

Curious to see if anyone on the forum has had an NF/NT relationship. What did you think? According to the "science" of Myers Briggs the ENFP perfect match is an INTJ. I met one and it was amazing? Curious to know if it was an abberation or something more. I have never experienced the kind of interaction and verbal as well as unique play that NF and NT can exhibit together.

[True Rune]

Well, anything can be good or bad, but from what I've read and seen NF's and NT's are a good match. They see the world in a similar way you do, but also in a different way. It's interesting.

Though I hear the INTJ ladies tend to go for the same type of male..

[Storm]

I put "good," but I think any two types can get along together. It depends upon the individuals involved.

In some relationships, the NT/NF match is going to be awesome, a wonderful balance. In others, it's going to be hell.

[Sequoia]

It really does depend on the individuals involved. My marriage did work out well. But looking back to my dating years, most of my boyfriends were IN types; a few certainly INTJ's as well. They obviously did not work out.

Don't rule out anyone solely because of their personality type, but do be aware of which types you relate best to. It will be different for each person.

[rain]

I think NFs prefer STs

and NTs prefer SFs as romantic partners generally. Or that is what I have observed time & time again.

[ToC]

	Originally Posted by True Rune To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Well, anything can be good or bad, but from what I've read and seen NF's and NT's are a good match. They see the world in a similar way you do, but also in a different way. It's interesting. Though I hear the INTJ ladies tend to go for the same type of male..

Good point. I know a few INTJ chicks in person and they're pretty much masochists who want somebody who's ultra-masculine... Not sure if the male ENFP typically meets the criteria.

Apart from that, I get along great with ENFP females, and getting a place with one next month.

[Storm]

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think NFs prefer STs and NTs prefer SFs as romantic partners generally. Or that is what I have observed time & time again.

Why do you think that? A lot of N's claim that they find communicating with S's particularly difficult. Opposites don't always attract.

	Originally Posted by ToC To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Good point. I know a few INTJ chicks in person and they're pretty much masochists who want somebody who's ultra-masculine... Not sure if the male ENFP typically meets the criteria. Apart from that, I get along great with ENFP females, and getting a place with one next month.

You've met a few INTJ females in person? Are you sure you didn't just assume they were INTJ because they were masochist?

There are quite a few threads on INTJ females and femininity. Most say that while they feel they don't fit quite into stereotypical female role, they still feel they are feminine.

[TheLastMohican]

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You've met a few INTJ females in person? Are you sure you didn't just assume they were INTJ because they were masochist?

Be honest with yourself. You know you want this kind of ultra-masculinity:

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[Eric86]

Personally, I would really only be able to be with another NF...

[ToC]

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You've met a few INTJ females in person? Are you sure you didn't just assume they were INTJ because they were masochist? There are quite a few threads on INTJ females and femininity. Most say that while they feel they don't fit quite into stereotypical female role, they still feel they are feminine.

Perhaps most of the NT chicks I've met were atypical, but I know quite a few fairly well:

ENTP Chick 1 - not masochist, but very.. "cock commando"
ENTP Chick 2 - almost ENFPish, but even more so "cock commando"... quoted saying she has to get new men often because they break
ENTP Chick 3 - dating an INTP, has an unusually high sexual appetite and the poor guy comes into class with bags under his eyes all the time

INTJ Chick 1 - outright bashes on emotional people, says she is attracted to nerds, but has confessed that she has fantasies of "the rough stuff"
INTJ Chick 2 - sexually insatiable (gave her 72 in 12 hours and she still wanted more), is almost ISTJ, but after a year of poking and prodding I'm pretty sure she's INTJ... Hates emotional guys and will mindfuck them

INTP Chick 1 - stuck her fingers in my male friend's asshole... (need I say more?)

One thing that I've noticed about all of these NT chicks is they have longer ring fingers than forefingers (more prenatal testosterone).

Cause or correlation? Your guess is as good as mine.

[mar412]

While I've never been in a dating relationship with an "NF", my best friend is an ENFP. He is the perfect complement to my personality, and I always have a fabulous time with him. I'm very pro the NF/NT match up.

[DanteFalling]

I adore ENFJs. WHY!!!???!?!?!!

I tend to like NTPs or ENFJs.

I loved the relationship with an ENFJ. He helped me emotionally and socially more than any other mate and was the least tiring. I didn't have to be the one to change my excitement level as I did with the INTP (a little unexciting) or the ENTP (a little too exciting all the damn time).

[Solaris]

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think NFs prefer STs and NTs prefer SFs as romantic partners generally. Or that is what I have observed time & time again.

I totally disagree. I think it's really too hard a thing to pin down in such general terms. It's so dependent upon the individual. I, for instance, prefer NTs or NFs, but strong on the N and light on the T/F preference. I had an SF, it was not a good match at all.

[Jinxu]

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Perhaps most of the NT chicks I've met were atypical, but I know quite a few fairly well: ENTP Chick 1 - not masochist, but very.. "cock commando" ENTP Chick 2 - almost ENFPish, but even more so "cock commando"... quoted saying she has to get new men often because they break ENTP Chick 3 - dating an INTP, has an unusually high sexual appetite and the poor guy comes into class with bags under his eyes all the time INTJ Chick 1 - outright bashes on emotional people, says she is attracted to nerds, but has confessed that she has fantasies of "the rough stuff" INTJ Chick 2 - sexually insatiable (gave her 72 in 12 hours and she still wanted more), is almost ISTJ, but after a year of poking and prodding I'm pretty sure she's INTJ... Hates emotional guys and will mindfuck them INTP Chick 1 - stuck her fingers in my male friend's asshole... (need I say more?) One thing that I've noticed about all of these NT chicks is they have longer ring fingers than forefingers (more prenatal testosterone). Cause or correlation? Your guess is as good as mine.

Are you sure the high sex drive aren't due to the girls you know being very attractive? The more attractive girls tend to have higher sex drives.

Also, do you mind telling us what country you're in because I want to meet your friends?
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[ToC]

	Originally Posted by Jinxu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are you sure the high sex drive aren't due to the girls you know being very attractive? The more attractive girls tend to have higher sex drives. Also, do you mind telling us what country you're in because I want to meet your friends? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What makes you say that the more attractive girls have higher sex drives? About half of them were attractive and half weren't.

And my horny NT friends are dispersed in a few states, plus the UK.

[loosefanbelt]

Hubby was an ENTJ, worked GREAT.

[Jinxu]

	Originally Posted by ToC To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What makes you say that the more attractive girls have higher sex drives?

Just an observation.

[Storm]

	Originally Posted by ToC To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Perhaps most of the NT chicks I've met were atypical, but I know quite a few fairly well: One thing that I've noticed about all of these NT chicks is they have longer ring fingers than forefingers (more prenatal testosterone). Cause or correlation? Your guess is as good as mine.

5 girls you know happen to be NTs, and all happen to have high sex drives and longer ring fingers. Did you compare them against SF's at all? No? Oh.

My ring finger is not longer than my index finger. So, no, higher testosterone doesn't cause one to be an NT, it's a correlation. NTs females are not necessarily manly.

	Originally Posted by Jinxu To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Are you sure the high sex drive aren't due to the girls you know being very attractive? The more attractive girls tend to have higher sex drives.

Jinxu, I assume you have a large sampling of ugly girls to compare against the sex drives of attractive girls.

[ToC]

I didn't say that having a longer ring finger makes one NT, but it may have something to do with the higher sex drives.

[echo]

INTJs and ENFPs should, in general, get along.

The following is all based on my relationship with one ENFP. My ENFP friend seems to collect INTJs. He made several of his untyped friends take the MBTI and all of them came back INTJ (four of them were even elusive female INTJs). I don't think that is coincidence. According to him, all INTJs are really nice even though they may suspect themselves of callousness. He likes that INTJs are "people haters". He knows that if an INTJ is being nice to him, that it is authentic kindness and not contrived/manipulative kindness that he says comes from the "tom foolery" of other types. Disclaimer: He could be an outlier or the pied piper of INTJs.

INTJ: Based on our types, why do you think we are friends?
ENFP: Because I bring the enthusiasm and you bring the stuff. You make my dreams come true!! (dances around the room enthusiastically). You intuit my thinking and I intuit your feelings. (more dancing)
INTJ sighs and thinks she might have accidently hit the silly switch.

The INTJs ability to contingency plan/make things happen combined with the endless enthusiasm/ideas of an ENFP can lead to very interesting solutions, experiences and conversations.

INTJs accept ENFP quirks and ENFPs accept INTJ quirks. INTJs and ENFPs don't like bureaucracy or social conventions. I think we both have a f*** it mentality when it comes to pointless customs. If an INTJ accepts a person, he/she will accept the whole person including any associated craziness (a trait my friend really likes).

I have noticed that ENFPs are not as reliable as INTJs. Generally, I am pretty tolerant but I can become frustrated and snap. If I snap at my ENFP friend, he is hurt for about two seconds and then is completely ok. Not many types can handle when an INTJ becomes snappy. ENFPs can roll with the punches.

ENFP: I think both ENFPs and INTJs are willing to change if there is a reason. If you tell me to change, I think "oh, the INTJ is probably right. ok." (smiles and laughs)

My favorite thing about my ENFP friend is that his perspective is so different and he is good at expressing his different perspective. This leads to meaningful discussions on just about any topic. I think we both have difficulty having these types of conversations with Ss.

[curiousjane]

Currently in an NF/NT relationship and it is wonderful. Just enough differences to make things interesting and fresh. Plenty of similarities to mesh it all together. And a crazy/scary ability to think of the same thing, at the same time, without even realizing it, although we both usually get to that point in different ways.

I think one of the best parts is we understand each other's driving passions in life. He gets that I need to be creative and free-spirited, and he loves that I bring out the silly side of him. I get that he needs to be creative (in his own, techy, way) and figure out how things tick so he can use them to further his goals. I love that he tempers me and inspires me to get to work and make things happen, like he is so good at doing!

Oh, and we both like to go to bookstores. And learn new things (
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, anyone? That was today's new thing!). And cuddle. Sometimes, all at the same time.
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It's a pretty great arrangement, all things considered.

[Pseudonimum]

You can't say it would work out just by looking to the MBTI personality. Actually, i think it's not something anyone could say before the empirical experience.

But, as for me, I have been through relationships exclusively with INTx's girls.

[Mikko]

	Originally Posted by Brion To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Have any of you had an NT/NF experience?

I am married to an enFP. I suppose that all my relationships before that were to ENFs, too. Kind of an energizing, yet hard combo. The strong N connects. Ne appeals to the INTJ Ni, so the INTJ will make an effort to talk with an ENFP instead of just shutting up as with most other strangers. Although the INTJ's conversations (Te) might put some NFs off initially: the story of this thread. The T/F part tends to be difficult in the daily life. INTJ gets frustrated in the lack of logic and the BIG emotional scenes. ENFPs see that there is something wrong in the INTJ so quiet and distant (making an effort trying to change the INTJ by talking/accusing). Another risk is the routines of the daily life. Both INTJ and ENFP dislike them and either they are neglected or the ENFP is unhappy about "doing it all": ENFPs are basically happy people. They may become unhappy when they are confined to strict schedules or mundane tasks.

Later in life, if you do stick together, there is a possibility to match on a new level. The ENFP tertiary Te and the INTJ tertiary F will mean there is more mutual understanding.
So, it is a match like chocolate and peanut butter. Or chocolate and raspberry. Different, but complementing. Just would need a lot of work (communication) and mutual respect for the differences instead of trying to change the other. And maybe someone to help with the daily mundane tasks around the house.
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I think this ENFP + INTJ conversation has some room to develop in
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dedicated to it. Maybe we should continue this there?
Also, found
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on the "other side". NFs write even longer texts than I do...


Don't actually know if it is more difficult for the more typical combo of NT male + NF female or vice versa?

[Freedom Geek]

They're okay in my view (better than a relationship with an S) but not as good as NT/NT relationships.

[rain]

	Originally Posted by Storm To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Why do you think that? A lot of N's claim that they find communicating with S's particularly difficult. Opposites don't always attract.

It's not necessarily N vs. S but rather extreme introvertedness vs. extreme extravertedness. As I mentioned before somewhere, when I think someone is not being "intuitive" it's really more a case of that person only thinking about himself/herself rather than thinking about the point of view of another person.

Typically I find ESTPs very intuitive- and confuse them with NTs. The best way to determine the difference between NTs and STs is by seeing how they react when they are driving down streets in which they are unfamiliar. Usually NTs won't be able to find their way out and will drive around in circles until they consult their GPS, whereas STs intuitively know how to find their way out. Also STs tend to be practical people-so good at consulting when you want to execute your master plan, they can probably figure out how to coordinate it.

	You've met a few INTJ females in person? Are you sure you didn't just assume they were INTJ because they were masochist? There are quite a few threads on INTJ females and femininity. Most say that while they feel they don't fit quite into stereotypical female role, they still feel they are feminine.

A lot of ENTJ women appear to me as thus. They may look feminine but they have a very aggressive nature once you get to know them, aggressive implying that they aren't stereotypically female.