Mac, or Windows based P.C.

**MetalWounds** · 12-22-2007, 09:03 AM

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, however I would be interesed to see how the INTJ crowd breaks down. I already have a pretty firm idea of how this will break down, it will be interesting to see the results.

(linux/unix need not apply)
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**MichaelH** · 12-22-2007, 01:35 PM

I won't argue the "ooo pretty" feature of Macs. There's nothing wrong with appreciating computer aesthestics, and Macs clearly win here. Compare the results of googling "make Windows look like OS X" and "make linux look like OS X" to those of "make OS X look like Windows".

But pretty isn't the whole story by a long shot. I'm subjectively more productive on my Mac. I don't tweak themes - there aren't any, and Leopard doesn't need them. I've got my office applications and OmniWeb and GlassWriter Pro. Fonts look great. My documents look great. I don't have to swear at Microsoft about usability problems every 30 seconds. (Good lord, how many freakin' dialog boxes can you pop up in the first minute after boot?) Disk utility makes it brain-dead easy to copy CDs for work and save an image on my hard drive for later. I have yet to see anything even close to iTunes for usable music management.

Sure, most of what I'm doing, I could do in Linux or Windows also. But the Mac integrates things so well it doesn't feel like a stretch to make things happen.

I forgot to have a good way to wrap up this post, so...uh...
Macs: wheeee!

**BadMojo** · 12-23-2007, 04:59 AM

Facts about computers:

Macs are pretty
Windows actually works

Macs cost a fortune
PC's are cheap

Windows is not secure
OS X is not safe

Windows can handle more games.
Macs can run windows and then run the games - but oh the horror

Windows PCs are struggling with its many problems
Macs are living in denial

Windows Media Player is ok
Itunes Sux

Bill Gates is boring
Steve jobs is cool (But I think he is the Anti-Christ :P )

I'm running out of ideas...

**MichaelH** · 12-23-2007, 09:27 AM


	Macs are pretty Windows actually works

In what way do Macs, by contrast, not "actually work"?


	Macs can run windows and then run the games - but oh the horror

I can't believe I'm about to type this:

lol!

**snoogit** · 12-23-2007, 11:18 AM

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	Facts about computers: Windows is not secure OS X is not safe

Just an update on that:

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Ironically enough Vista has the least amount of security flaws out of any consumer OS today.

**BadMojo** · 12-23-2007, 12:10 PM

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	Just an update on that: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Ironically enough Vista has the least amount of security flaws out of any consumer OS today.

I was just about to post that.

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	In what way do Macs, by contrast, not "actually work"?

Well... I didn't say that didn't hehe... I was just patronizing them in an indirect manner.
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Also, Windows used to suck, but Windows is really good imho.
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**HackerX** · 12-23-2007, 05:35 PM

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	I have yet to see anything even close to iTunes for usable music management.

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**ShaiGar** · 12-24-2007, 03:50 AM

What is a consumer Operating System? Is that an operating system for someone stupid enough to pay money for an operating system? Compare those problems to either PCBSD, or Ubuntu...

**xhaan** · 12-27-2007, 02:14 AM

Chose abacus for fun... because you left out *nix.
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**Thomas** · 12-27-2007, 04:55 AM

Greetings

I use Windows, Linux, and Mac. No one's version of Linux is, as yet, ready for the casual user--but, that's only because of the human interface, not because of operating system shortcomings. (Don't forget, Macs have been running Unix as the base OS for years now.)

I have been in the computer industry for almost thirty years; I currently design and evaluate large, high-performance database systems. I use many Unix features in doing my evaluations and calculations (typically on my Mac, which I take with me--along with my PC, which I need for company business--around the world on my travels); when using Windows (user-level stuff, NOTHING "special") I typically end up booting, and rebooting. So, I think that if I look at the amount of time I spend "playing" with my PC just to get things to work, versus the same time doing this on the Mac (NIL), it turns out that Macs are far, far cheaper than PCs. (Incidentally, I have heard that Mac owners running Windows experience a better quality of service than when they ran Windows on a PC. I have no numbers to back this up but, from a pure compatibility perspective, it makes sense.)

Cheers
T.

**BadMojo** · 12-27-2007, 09:19 AM

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Damn! I like you! This is a great link
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**Jack** · 12-28-2007, 09:17 PM

Mac because I can work on music/video files(recording, producing)much faster...And it was the first computer I saw on the market at the time with these applications integrated within the programing, which helps it run smoother.

But I don't know much about this topic so I'll stop.

**Danisty** · 12-28-2007, 09:36 PM

PC because Macs are too expensive.

**Aldanga** · 12-30-2007, 09:26 AM

I'm a GNU/Linux geek wannabe, but I always learn just enough to get by.

I built myself a computer about a month and a half ago. It's pretty sweet and I run Ubuntu. I think I shall install Windows once I get a decent graphics card. (I'm currently using an IGP.)

I intend to buy a MacBook before I head off to college, but I'll always be a GNU/Linux nerd. I love it.

**iamnotspock** · 12-30-2007, 11:46 AM

I have 3 Windows XP, 2 Linux (Red Hat and Ubuntu), and 1 Mac (on the way).

As a wise man once said of religion:

"To the people they are all equally true, to the philosophers all equally false, and to the magistrates equally useful."

I believe the magistrates were INTJ's ;-)

**Bossy Mom** · 12-31-2007, 08:05 AM

After having a Mac, everything else is just junk.

**Oica** · 12-31-2007, 09:00 AM

I like what I know. PC ftw.

**Sylvanus** · 01-01-2008, 10:39 PM

PC's are good for actually accomplishing something, or playing games. Macs are good for video/muic editing (which I couldn't care less about).

I choose PC.

I also like the fact that my PC is modular, so I can throw a couple hundred at it every couple years and keep it up to date. Instead of having to go out and but an all new computer.
New motherboard $130
New Hard Drive (not necessary, just wanted a new one) $160
New video card $160
Total- $450
New iMac with the same specs-$1800

Plus just about all the settings are adjustable so I can set everything to maximize performance without impacting quality.

**Fissiongrid** · 01-01-2008, 11:55 PM

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	Macs are good for video/muic editing (which I couldn't care less about).

That's like saying that black people are only good for running.

Yes, Macs are used more than PCs for video/music editing, but they are also a lot more productive for simple tasks, like writing a paper or surfing the web. I use a mac because it's a lot more logical, reliable, and easier to work with. I'm sure you could use a PC to do exactly the same things I do on a mac, it would just take a lot more time.

**Sylvanus** · 01-02-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Fissiongrid
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That's like saying that black people are only good for running.

Yes, Macs are used more than PCs for video/music editing, but they are also a lot more productive for simple tasks, like writing a paper or surfing the web. I use a mac because it's a lot more logical, reliable, and easier to work with. I'm sure you could use a PC to do exactly the same things I do on a mac, it would just take a lot more time.

I mentioned that because that's what they tout in their commercials. Microsoft Office Suite has several excellent programs that have tons of functions that work really well with each other. Writing a simple paper is very easy in Word. Where most people have issues is that there are so many functions, that it does take some getting used to to learn them all. Macs are less complicated, but they sacrifice functionality.

**gzeus** · 01-02-2008, 04:12 AM

Kind of an invitation thread for argument. Never tried Mac for my personal computer, never had any need to. I am a systems engineer, so I should know my stuff.

PC over Mac as parts are more easily interchanged and are cheaper and easier to find.

In terms of OS...

Installed all kinds of OS there is in the world. I liked Ubuntu 7.10 the best up till now, however it is around a year or so away from beating anything XP has to offer in terms of non-frustration. When they fix the hardware compatibility issues, driver issues and streamline partitioning upon installation they will win over MS. Linux rock in terms of security (opens services only as needed compared to Win which constatly runs uneeded services which are a "an albino in Afrika" threat).

For my own desktop I use every day nothing beats old Win XP.

**lain** · 01-04-2008, 07:00 PM

I have pc's running both windows and linux, but im definitely going for mac next time ill upgrade.

**Vortex** · 01-08-2008, 01:10 AM

I'm a Gamer, so... Windows XP FTW. I pray DX10 will get a proper release on XP before the industry switches to it and forces everyone onto vista. Its not a *bad* OS (once UAC is killed)... its just a gluttonous one.

I'd run Ubuntu if I didn't game. iproducts make me gag. Apple stopped being an admirable company once they switched to ipod spam, and all Mac machines are just PCs at three times the cost for a platform with no real world performance gains, no enhanced security, and nothing to run on it.

**xhaan** · 01-08-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Vortex
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I'm a Gamer, so... Windows XP FTW. I pray DX10 will get a proper release on XP before the industry switches to it and forces everyone onto vista. Its not a *bad* OS (once UAC is killed)... its just a gluttonous one.

I'd run Ubuntu if I didn't game. iproducts make me gag. Apple stopped being an admirable company once they switched to ipod spam, and all Mac machines are just PCs at three times the cost for a platform with no real world performance gains, no enhanced security, and nothing to run on it.

Yeah, XP is not 'bad' but it's not 'good' either, IMO.

It's like the difference between a cheap, automatic economy car, and a highly tuned, manual, brainchild high performance car.
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Except, ironically, one costs less. And it isn't the cheap one.
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**truefusion** · 01-09-2008, 11:29 AM

After getting into the Linux world, i fell in love with Linux. (I use Kubuntu.) The only reason i would keep Windows is to run software on it that can't be runned on Linux. However, i would like these things to be ported over to Linux. Unfortunately, this will, if any, take years upon years to happen. For if companies realize that people are sticking to one system for one specific task, then what's the point in building for other OSs? But i hear that COD4 can run through WINE. The only other programs i use is FL Studio and iTunes, and these both run through WINE. So perhaps i can get rid of Windows altogether. :D

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12-22-2007, 09:03 AM	#1
MetalWounds Member [02%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 117	I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, however I would be interesed to see how the INTJ crowd breaks down. I already have a pretty firm idea of how this will break down, it will be interesting to see the results. (linux/unix need not apply) To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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12-22-2007, 01:35 PM	#2
MichaelH Member [06%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 262	I won't argue the "ooo pretty" feature of Macs. There's nothing wrong with appreciating computer aesthestics, and Macs clearly win here. Compare the results of googling "make Windows look like OS X" and "make linux look like OS X" to those of "make OS X look like Windows". But pretty isn't the whole story by a long shot. I'm subjectively more productive on my Mac. I don't tweak themes - there aren't any, and Leopard doesn't need them. I've got my office applications and OmniWeb and GlassWriter Pro. Fonts look great. My documents look great. I don't have to swear at Microsoft about usability problems every 30 seconds. (Good lord, how many freakin' dialog boxes can you pop up in the first minute after boot?) Disk utility makes it brain-dead easy to copy CDs for work and save an image on my hard drive for later. I have yet to see anything even close to iTunes for usable music management. Sure, most of what I'm doing, I could do in Linux or Windows also. But the Mac integrates things so well it doesn't feel like a stretch to make things happen. I forgot to have a good way to wrap up this post, so...uh... Macs: wheeee!
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12-23-2007, 04:59 AM	#3
BadMojo Member [16%] MBTI: IxTx Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 656	Facts about computers: Macs are pretty Windows actually works Macs cost a fortune PC's are cheap Windows is not secure OS X is not safe Windows can handle more games. Macs can run windows and then run the games - but oh the horror Windows PCs are struggling with its many problems Macs are living in denial Windows Media Player is ok Itunes Sux Bill Gates is boring Steve jobs is cool (But I think he is the Anti-Christ :P ) I'm running out of ideas...
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12-24-2007, 03:50 AM	#8
ShaiGar Banned MBTI: ENTP Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,487	What is a consumer Operating System? Is that an operating system for someone stupid enough to pay money for an operating system? Compare those problems to either PCBSD, or Ubuntu...
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12-27-2007, 02:14 AM	#9
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12-27-2007, 04:55 AM	#10
Thomas New Member [01%] MBTI: INTx Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1	Greetings I use Windows, Linux, and Mac. No one's version of Linux is, as yet, ready for the casual user--but, that's only because of the human interface, not because of operating system shortcomings. (Don't forget, Macs have been running Unix as the base OS for years now.) I have been in the computer industry for almost thirty years; I currently design and evaluate large, high-performance database systems. I use many Unix features in doing my evaluations and calculations (typically on my Mac, which I take with me--along with my PC, which I need for company business--around the world on my travels); when using Windows (user-level stuff, NOTHING "special") I typically end up booting, and rebooting. So, I think that if I look at the amount of time I spend "playing" with my PC just to get things to work, versus the same time doing this on the Mac (NIL), it turns out that Macs are far, far cheaper than PCs. (Incidentally, I have heard that Mac owners running Windows experience a better quality of service than when they ran Windows on a PC. I have no numbers to back this up but, from a pure compatibility perspective, it makes sense.) Cheers T.
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12-28-2007, 09:17 PM	#12
Jack Member [03%] MBTI: intj Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128	Mac because I can work on music/video files(recording, producing)much faster...And it was the first computer I saw on the market at the time with these applications integrated within the programing, which helps it run smoother. But I don't know much about this topic so I'll stop.
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12-28-2007, 09:36 PM	#13
Danisty Member [32%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,285	PC because Macs are too expensive.
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12-30-2007, 09:26 AM	#14
Aldanga New Member [01%] MBTI: InTJ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 78	I'm a GNU/Linux geek wannabe, but I always learn just enough to get by. I built myself a computer about a month and a half ago. It's pretty sweet and I run Ubuntu. I think I shall install Windows once I get a decent graphics card. (I'm currently using an IGP.) I intend to buy a MacBook before I head off to college, but I'll always be a GNU/Linux nerd. I love it.
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12-30-2007, 11:46 AM	#15
iamnotspock Member [07%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 284	I have 3 Windows XP, 2 Linux (Red Hat and Ubuntu), and 1 Mac (on the way). As a wise man once said of religion: "To the people they are all equally true, to the philosophers all equally false, and to the magistrates equally useful." I believe the magistrates were INTJ's ;-)
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12-31-2007, 08:05 AM	#16
Bossy Mom Member [06%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 254	After having a Mac, everything else is just junk.
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12-31-2007, 09:00 AM	#17
Oica Banned MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 82	I like what I know. PC ftw.
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01-01-2008, 10:39 PM	#18
Sylvanus Member [09%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 370	PC's are good for actually accomplishing something, or playing games. Macs are good for video/muic editing (which I couldn't care less about). I choose PC. I also like the fact that my PC is modular, so I can throw a couple hundred at it every couple years and keep it up to date. Instead of having to go out and but an all new computer. New motherboard $130 New Hard Drive (not necessary, just wanted a new one) $160 New video card $160 Total- $450 New iMac with the same specs-$1800 Plus just about all the settings are adjustable so I can set everything to maximize performance without impacting quality.
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01-02-2008, 04:12 AM	#21
gzeus New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 43	Kind of an invitation thread for argument. Never tried Mac for my personal computer, never had any need to. I am a systems engineer, so I should know my stuff. PC over Mac as parts are more easily interchanged and are cheaper and easier to find. In terms of OS... Installed all kinds of OS there is in the world. I liked Ubuntu 7.10 the best up till now, however it is around a year or so away from beating anything XP has to offer in terms of non-frustration. When they fix the hardware compatibility issues, driver issues and streamline partitioning upon installation they will win over MS. Linux rock in terms of security (opens services only as needed compared to Win which constatly runs uneeded services which are a "an albino in Afrika" threat). For my own desktop I use every day nothing beats old Win XP. Last edited by gzeus; 01-02-2008 at 04:26 AM.
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01-04-2008, 07:00 PM	#22
lain New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8	I have pc's running both windows and linux, but im definitely going for mac next time ill upgrade.
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01-08-2008, 01:10 AM	#23
Vortex Member [04%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 163	I'm a Gamer, so... Windows XP FTW. I pray DX10 will get a proper release on XP before the industry switches to it and forces everyone onto vista. Its not a bad OS (once UAC is killed)... its just a gluttonous one. I'd run Ubuntu if I didn't game. iproducts make me gag. Apple stopped being an admirable company once they switched to ipod spam, and all Mac machines are just PCs at three times the cost for a platform with no real world performance gains, no enhanced security, and nothing to run on it.
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01-09-2008, 11:29 AM	#25
truefusion New Member [01%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 7	After getting into the Linux world, i fell in love with Linux. (I use Kubuntu.) The only reason i would keep Windows is to run software on it that can't be runned on Linux. However, i would like these things to be ported over to Linux. Unfortunately, this will, if any, take years upon years to happen. For if companies realize that people are sticking to one system for one specific task, then what's the point in building for other OSs? But i hear that COD4 can run through WINE. The only other programs i use is FL Studio and iTunes, and these both run through WINE. So perhaps i can get rid of Windows altogether. :D
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