[Ostonzi]

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What are some of the moments you look back on nowadays that show you that you are a true INTJ even if you didn't know it back then? What I mean is something obvious, like a mastery of a subject that no one else knew, or possessing an aura of individualism even in that conformist institution they call elementary school... Mine would be these Powerpoints that I had to do in middle school that were loaded with information. I took up entire class periods teaching instead of the teacher about one subject that had a profuse amount of slides that were brimming with information. I thought it was neat, even if it bored others, and due to those, I still have retained most of what they were about (feudalism, DNA, etc.). Anyone else have any of these so-called "INTJ moments"? And yes, I realize I excluded the other 15 personality types, but hey, we're on an INTJ forum.

I remember doing this.

There were current events powerpoints we were supposed to do.
I did a 156 slide powerpoint that took up the whole hour, while the other hours had 5-16 slide powerpoints. The rest of my class never got to present theirs due to the length of my powerpoint.

Not only that, it was filled with a lot of arguments that were only slightly related to the articles I was presenting. 20-25 slides were actual "article" slides. The rest were a presentation on existentialism/synthetic biology/change/energy/humanitarian causes.

It was hilarious, even though my throat was really dry by the end from talking for almost an hour straight.

[qwerty123]

	In second grade we had to realoud to the class. Other kids had time struggling to read, which baffled me. I can remember saying in my mind: "Reading is just like speaking, but the words on the the page, what do you not understand?"

I have often asked the same question. I find it to be natural and slow. Others stumble and mispronounce words left.. and right.

	I was in a high school course designed to make you skip a year. I did my first three years of high school in two. However when I went from year 9 to year 11, I found that I could not cope socially. That really put me backwards.

I could see that happening. Social development (in MANY) is crucial to future successes. I benefited significantly from repeating 10th grade.

[Liquid]

To the people posting about their gigantic power point presentations: There is a thing as too much information; huge powerpoint aren't as impressive as they are tedious. It's better to entertain the class and educate at the same time, not bore them into oblivion with volumes and volumes of relevant and irrelevant information. I'm sure you're aware of this, it's just that it's not so much an INTJ moment, more a severe misreading of the audience moment.

[Blake]

Last year, I'm the only person (or one of the very few) to solve chemistry questions that all other classmate don't know about, because I research even more deep about the topic from what I learn in lesson whenever I am bored. Some people call me a chem wise, but some don't as I always did badly or only around border line for all my test cause i find it plainly waste of time. Most of the lesson I daydream a lot and I even vandalize the table as the teacher is teaching so slowly since most of my classmate could not catch up.

Until when 'O' level exam came near. I start to get serious. I went to form study group with my friends since I hate studying at home due to the noise pollution my family make. I was shock (including my friends) at that time (before i knew about MBIT) when I was studying with them. All of them could not see the pattern/link between one another which is so obvious to me, and some even ask why I didn't told them about it earlier. I remember I have a conversation with some friends, that it is possible for us to study few days to get ace for the science paper, but they don't believe me, and i don't care what they think either. Eventually, I score A1 for my science paper, and so some of my classmate were shock that I only study for few days for the paper and yet I get a A1.

I also remember that I am so stubborn, single minded and a perfectionist person at that time when I am doing project work for my Design and Techonology (DnT) exam. I ended fail my English and got bad grade ('bad grade' to me means I didn't meet my desire goal) for my other subject except science.

Why? Because I was so preoccupy by the project work to the point I forgot to spend more time on my other weaker subject. Earlier, my DnT teacher and few of my classmate told me that I already have almost perfect work and even have higher standards on how it should be done instead to get ace, so I can just let go of my project work and focus on other subject instead. I don't believe them as I thought they just trying to comfort me. So I ended continuing to improve my project work until when my teacher finally convince me. He show me various work of the teacher/designer from university is quite similar to mine, however was too late at that point of time... I find my action was so dumb whenever I reflect about it... but it was great lesson for me to learn my mistake...

[Stormy]

In sixth grade, my history teacher asked the class to write a one page paper on how we might solve the problem of food shortages and over population. I ended up writing several more pages on the subject, explaining how genetic engineering could manipulate crops species to filter out the salt from sea water, like mangrove trees, so that areas such as the coast of Africa and other sparcely populated areas near bodies of salt water can grow crops by pumping water to the crops, without having to worry about filtering out the salt. My teacher then had me read the paper in front of the class.

[theDoc]

When I wrote an argumentative essay on my take on why some people become extremists and how religion and society plays a part in molding these people from young, ingraining them with a "jihad mindset" (Yes, I know it's so muslim oriented but this was in light with the 911 terror attacks on the US) for my O level prelims. We're supposed to what, write a short 500 word essay? I came up with a slight overkill, 7 pieces of paper, double sided. Had my teacher promptly fail me and telling the class not to pull a stunt like mine for exceeding the stipulated number of words despite commenting that it was very well written.

[JohnDoe]

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When I wrote an argumentative essay on my take on why some people become extremists and how religion and society plays a part in molding these people from young, ingraining them with a "jihad mindset" (Yes, I know it's so muslim oriented but this was in light with the 911 terror attacks on the US) for my O level prelims. We're supposed to what, write a short 500 word essay? I came up with a slight overkill, 7 pieces of paper, double sided. Had my teacher promptly fail me and telling the class not to pull a stunt like mine for exceeding the stipulated number of words despite commenting that it was very well written.

I would not want to grade 14 pages either. Jeeze.

[Gazelle]

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	I was in a high school course designed to make you skip a year. I did my first three years of high school in two. However when I went from year 9 to year 11, I found that I could not cope socially. That really put me backwards.

Me too. Exactly. I ended up entering college at 16 years old where I was definitely at a disadvantage, socially.

When I was in grade school I insisted on dressing very strangely, in order to make it clear that I would not conform to the slightest degree to the "norm". I got a lot of (unwanted) attention for this, but it was so important to me that I kept doing it. I looked like a clown most days, but people actually started copying me! I guess I actually became a trend-setter. Now I don't really care about clothes or fashion. Only enough to look nice and relatively with the times.

This may be more INTP-esque, but I remember trying to learn algebra in 6th grade (in an advanced class). My mind couldn't quite grasp the abstractness of it back then, and I remember standing and staring at a piece of graph paper our teacher had posted on the wall which displayed the x and y axes. I got completely absorbed in the graph, staring at it as the rest of the world around me disappeared, trying hard to "get it". I could not walk away because I could not allow there to be a concept out there that I was supposed to understand, but could not. So I was consciously trying to push my mind beyond where it could go at the time ...

[Naturelle]

	Originally Posted by Adarasnow To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	In second grade we had to realoud to the class. Other kids had time struggling to read, which baffled me. I can remember saying in my mind: "Reading is just like speaking, but the words on the the page, what do you not understand?"

This, and in fourth grade actually being upset that I was put in the gifted group at school. All we did was book reports. If I was so gifted, how come I couldn't just study what I wanted? That's what I did at home.

[iuvat]

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	I was much better at figuring things out than memorizing them. And... I preferred the company/conversation of adults.

I'm much better at figuring things out than memorizing things to a fault. If there is a math concept that is simple enough, I wont bother to trying to memorize any formula, I can just develop it on the test, under the guise of proving the answer.

On a related note, I still can't do some simple math, in the sence of 6*7, and 8*4. I find no reason to learn them, when I can do them on a calculator with the rest of whatever I'm computing. This has not hindered me at all, save for the first few years in elementary when they were teaching us them, and I could never finish those timed papers full of problems. Oh well, I'll just get back to my calculus and stop worrying about it.

[pgauding]

Particularly in grade school, I had the situation of explaining "This is this, why don't you get it?" and taking flak for it.

Had the same issue of skipping ahead in math, but I didn't apply myself because I didn't see a tangible reason to do so. Rather ironic, I should have stayed ahead of the curve on math.

[Tahte]

I'm with many of you. I was in gifted classes all the way up and got skipped, so I spent 3 years in high school. That's probably where I was at my INTJest (before it was tempered by my religious beliefs). I remember my crazy earrings (almost anything you can name, I had in earring form); spending my free periods studying and listening to Led Zeppelin; always being questioned if mommy or daddy "helped" me with my book reports. I can't believe it's 20 years ago.

[Jeebskers]

I repetitively destroyed the curve in my senior financial management class without so much as an hour of studying for the tests outside of class. This was much to the chagrin of my fellow classmates, as they had spent many hours studying for the much rumored "difficult" tests. I worked 40 hours a week at the time and I figured the teacher was paid enough...if he couldn't teach me what I needed to know within the 8 hours I spent sitting in his class each week, that was his fault not mine.

That...and I continuously got C's in math until highschool when I finally got a teacher that taught the theory behind why and how we do it. It gave it purpose and logic...I'm completely incapable of finding something important until I see from where and why it was derived. A's from then on.

[silentaxis]

math...I always understood something after the first or second time and a few practice problems while some blond bimbo who shouldn't be in AP would waste so much time asking random crap.

[WaeV]

Several. Most recently, when I got to the essay on my English test, I stared at it wondering how answer for probably half an hour.

The prompt read "At the end of the story, Cyrano de Bergerac discusses how his life has been a complete failure. Specifically, he says 'blahblahblahquoteblah.'" We were told to talk about whether we agreed with the prompt. I thought "Well, A) The first sentence is true, and B) the second sentence is also true." Clearly that wasn't what she wanted us to write, and I was completely lost. Seriously though, that's like saying "Five times eight is forty. Do you agree with this statement? Write a two-page essay on it."

[Brittle]

	Originally Posted by WaeV To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Seriously though, that's like saying "Five times eight is forty. Do you agree with this statement? Write a two-page essay on it."

Ugh.. I had the same experience when I was studying marketing and was asked "Is consumer type A also consumer type B?". As far as I was concerned it was a one word answer, however I went on to give a 3 paragraph justification for my answer. Apparently this was insufficient detail
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Why don't you ask me what you really want?

[idem]

	Originally Posted by WaeV To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Seriously though, that's like saying "Five times eight is forty. Do you agree with this statement? Write a two-page essay on it."

When I was in elementary school, I actually had to give three reasons why 2/3 was larger than 1/2.

[Mathnerdkid]

In fith grade, I changed almost all of the system settings on my teacher's computer to make it more private, secure and efficient. Oops.

(It may not have been as big of a deal had I not had to enter his password to change them.)

[Q8Vet]

Originally Posted by Darkness To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What are some of the moments you look back on nowadays that show you that you are a true INTJ even if you didn't know it back then? What I mean is something obvious, like a mastery of a subject that no one else knew, or possessing an aura of individualism even in that conformist institution they call elementary school... Mine would be these Powerpoints that I had to do in middle school that were loaded with information. I took up entire class periods teaching instead of the teacher about one subject that had a profuse amount of slides that were brimming with information. I thought it was neat, even if it bored others, and due to those, I still have retained most of what they were about (feudalism, DNA, etc.). Anyone else have any of these so-called "INTJ moments"? And yes, I realize I excluded the other 15 personality types, but hey, we're on an INTJ forum.

Reading through all of these posts has helped me understand why I don't like my job. I have a fancy title and make good money, but the tasks aren't challenging and when I try to improve upon a process or idea, I'm told to "shut up and color" or "stay in your lane". As an INTJ, my lane is wherever I decide for it to be, am I right?

As for INTJ moments in school though, I can remember being tested for a "gifted" program in the 4th grade. I didn't get in, but my girlfriend did. I don't remember how we were tested, but I remember doing her homework for her because she needed help with it. So I didn't qualify to be gifted per the test, but I was one of very few in the whole grade that understood any of the work.

Math was also a rough road for me. I never studied and didn't understand how I knew the answers, but I knew them. I turned in a test where we were required to show our work, without showing my work. I would have made an A because I had all the answers correct, but I didn't know HOW to show my work. My math teacher never believed me when I told her that I didn't know how to do the math on paper, but I could look at it and come up with a logical answer (something that made sense to me). Instead of helping me learn how to put my thoughts on paper, she gave me a C and told me to quit trying to be a smart guy. I genuinely wasn't trying to be a smart guy, I just didn't understand the formulas in my conscious mind...I just knew the answer.

[absurd]

In the ninth grade we had this presentation group exam. You had a week's time to do all the work and then you had to present it for about 25 minutes and deliver a sort of product to go with it (or a very good presentation).

I knew from the previous years that the overall subject definition given for these exams is usually very broad. I also had this "hidden" hobby of doing animations, programming, and art in Flash, so I started a couple of weeks beforehand mapping out how I wanted the presentation to be (everything was to be animated, starting with a countdown like an old movie and continuing in that vein in Film Noir style, eventually ending with an interview with a virtual character -- conducted live by me of course to add a third dimension to it all!).

When I got the subject I just made it fit into this plan I had already thought out and assigned some topics for the others in my group to spend their time on while I carefully masterminded everything. We worked from my home because I needed my desktop (this was before laptops were of any use) rather than at the school and one of teachers asked me "[name], we haven't seen you down here for most of the week and we're a bit worried whether your group is getting anything done..." to which I just laughed. She then looked very puzzled and sceptical.

After we'd done the presentation everyone's jaws dropped (teachers as well as students). People came up to me afterwards asking how the hell I'd done all this and I got this special top grade (that has since been abolished in my country) which basically means off-the-scale good and is normally considered nigh impossible to get. I was the only one out of about 100 people to get this grade that year.

[Lesondemavie]

I absolutely refused to hold my pencil the "right" way, because no one was able to explain to me why their way was right and my way was wrong. My mom bought me all sorts of special pencils and grips, but nothing worked. I, to this day, hold my pencil/pen with my childhood grasp, and I'm always complimented on my neat handwriting. I also taught my little sister to hold a pencil like me, and she still holds it the same way too. I was such a good role model
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[IfThenElse]

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The moment I most remember as my INTJ moment was when at my last year in high school I had the lowest grade in Sociology in my class just because that was too basic for me and I didn't care. Then by the end of that year I had to do a Sociology test to enter University and at that time I really studied and dedicated myself seriously to the situation and I ended having the best grade in my country that year. That was a real slap in the face of some teachers at my high school that thought I was not very clever. They misunderstood me being quiet by not being clever and I was clever, but I was just demotivated most of the time.

The same with me: bad in high school, good at university.

My INTJ moments where the lab-exercises in the latter part in my first year at university which I did mostly alone, because other people in my group have given up the study. Also noticed during that time I was much better and understanding in doing the work myself, rather than in group. A long time I was confused by the dilemma of wanting to be within a group and not able to cope with the distractions provided by the members. Group people think different: they take instructions literally, and makes you to lose your focus on the overall picture.

[Bacteria]

I would fail or do very poorly in most of my subjects throughout high scool due to me being bored shitless, I didnt see anything as a challenge and wasn't motivated to do any work.
However at the odd time I would find a topic quite interesting and would ace the test which ultimately got me through high school and into uni.

I would also work very well on my own and in groups I would sit back and watch.

[Ranie9]

I kept getting good grades even though I was quite sure I didn't know the material. I decided I was just a good test taker: the important thing in taking a test wasn't knowing the material, but knowing the teacher and how his/her brain worked. When I took a multiple choice test, most of the answers sounded right, until I factored in the teacher, and then the correct answer was obvious. Why not study? I was bored with the material. I'm still angry that my parents were blind to what I needed.
Of course, part of the problem could have been that the teachers phrased the questions so poorly that several answers seemed possible. Most people are not precise enough in their writing for me to know exactly what they are asking. I get a lot of flack for being too analytical and precise.

[PeterIMC]

Originally Posted by Darkness To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

What are some of the moments you look back on nowadays that show you that you are a true INTJ even if you didn't know it back then? What I mean is something obvious, like a mastery of a subject that no one else knew, or possessing an aura of individualism even in that conformist institution they call elementary school... Mine would be these Powerpoints that I had to do in middle school that were loaded with information. I took up entire class periods teaching instead of the teacher about one subject that had a profuse amount of slides that were brimming with information. I thought it was neat, even if it bored others, and due to those, I still have retained most of what they were about (feudalism, DNA, etc.). Anyone else have any of these so-called "INTJ moments"? And yes, I realize I excluded the other 15 personality types, but hey, we're on an INTJ forum.

Space travel was one when I was in the first years of highschool. Trying out bright ideas may be another. When I was like 10 I thought I had figured out the solution for free energy. I figured that a lot of water is heavier than a little bit of water. So if I make a hole in a bucket the water presure in the bucket would be bigger than in a small tube. I connected the tube to the hole and put it up next to the bucket so that the water in the bucket would push the water up to above the water level in the bucked and thus the water would be running round non stop.

To my surprise the water level in the tube was the same as in the bucket.
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The fact that the water levels were exactly the same did help me figure out that only the water above the hole was pushing down on the water in the tube and thus it didn't matter how big the bucket was.

Later I learned in school the details of it, but I kind of felt like: Yeah I knew that already.


Besides that, I always was the one in the group of friends that I had that made the decisions on what we would do, where we would go to. Not sure if that is an intj thing though. But I kind of always knew what the best thing was and nobody really went against it. And if they did I always could explain why they were wrong.