[childofprodigy]

Like the following:

-Reading fashion magazines, People magazines, and celebrity magazines, etc
-Wearing makeup
-obsessing over shoes, hairs, handbags, and clothes, etc
-Extremely concerned about your own beauty, etc
-Strolling around the shopping mall 7 hours per day, etc (ok that's exaggerated but you know what I mean)
-Drawing heart symbols on every single thing you touch
-All about love and peace, etc
-Loves to gossip and chitchat about obscure things, etc

Do you? Do you?

[Mathnerdkid]

Well, I have never done any of those things, but I don't know any other INTJ girls.

[Storm]

It looks like you've described a 13 year old girl, not a woman.

But I do:
wear make-up ( but not every single I time go out)
wear feminine clothes and accessories

[Josephine1012]

	Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	-Drawing heart symbols on every single thing you touch -All about love and peace, etc -Loves to gossip and chitchat about obscure things, etc Do you? Do you?

I'm not INTJ, but I don't do the three bullet items listed above...

Ok, I gossip a little, but it's more of a dissection of someone's behavior, not a "omg, can you believe... blah!"

[Synamon]

No. I suspect you already knew that. Why did you ask the question?

[childofprodigy]

	Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No. I suspect you already knew that. Why did you ask the question?

No, I didn't know that, that's why I asked the question...I was just wondering if such behaviors are integral aspects of femininity

[idem]

None of the above.

[Turkagent]

People in general love to ask rhetorical questions. Sometimes they are annoying as small talk, but i like to answer questions they don't expect answered. As far as those questions for "girls", you described what sounds like a 16-17 year old girl, or maybe a woman in her 20's who is heavy into the fashion scene/business. You won't find them here for the most part. That sort of work doesn't appeal to the INTJ nature.

[LvHmBirth]

No to your list, except possibly talk about obscure things. I like the dissection of motivations, and try to make it make sense. I do know other INTJ women who do wear makeup, but always tastefully applied, and never the Tammy Faye look.

I do like to think that I do things that "normal" girls do, though: eat, sleep, make friends, find love, experience life, find my purpose, etc.

[azelismia]

uh no, I agree it sounds like a 13 year old girl but unfortunately I think some of those things do last longer into life for some women. I was never really like that though.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	No, I didn't know that, that's why I asked the question...I was just wondering if such behaviors are integral aspects of femininity

I'm female, and feminine, and wouldn't describe it as any of the things on your list. Femininity is in the eye of the beholder.

[childofprodigy]

LoL, just to clear up confusions, I'm 19, so the girls around me do stuff like that

[playthestatic]

I admit, when I was in my early teens I did read a number of celebrity magazines. I'm 18 now, and I do wear makeup - not much, and only on special occasions, but I do nonetheless. I'm not overly concerned with the way I look - I have more pressing things to worry about - but I do carry a small pocket comb around to keep my hair looking presentable. I try to give myself 'girly' time now and then, but it doesn't come very naturally.

Love and peace? What? XD

[MusicWorld]

-Reading fashion magazines, People magazines, and celebrity magazines, etc (No)
-Wearing makeup. (A little bit if I am dressed smartly)
-obsessing over shoes, hairs, handbags, and clothes, etc (No)
-Extremely concerned about your own beauty, etc (No)
-Strolling around the shopping mall 7 hours per day, etc (ok that's exaggerated but you know what I mean) (No)
-Drawing heart symbols on every single thing you touch (No)
-All about love and peace, etc (?? Don't get this one)
-Loves to gossip and chitchat about obscure things, etc (Utterly incapable of chitchatting).

I also think you knew. (OK - your age explains things)

[childofprodigy]

Any teenage/20-age INTJ girls here?

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Any teenage/20-age INTJ girls here?

You do know that we all were teenage INTJs at one point, right? I'd wager that most of us didn't do those things then either.

[childofprodigy]

	Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You do know that we all were teenage INTJs at one point right? I'd wager that most of us didn't do those things then either.

Yeah but times change....There were no celebrity magazines 500 years ago were they?

[idem]

Yes, I am a teenage female INTJ. I have no desire to do most of those things. I sincerely hope that you realize that not all females are like that.

[Josephine1012]

Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Like the following: -Reading fashion magazines, People magazines, and celebrity magazines, etc -Wearing makeup -obsessing over shoes, hairs, handbags, and clothes, etc -Extremely concerned about your own beauty, etc -Strolling around the shopping mall 7 hours per day, etc (ok that's exaggerated but you know what I mean) -Drawing heart symbols on every single thing you touch -All about love and peace, etc -Loves to gossip and chitchat about obscure things, etc Do you? Do you?

I believe you might be introducing a little bias in the way you're asking these questions. Your phrasing makes the activity sound inherently shallow.

So I'm going to try a slightly different version, that seeks to obtain the same type of information (I'm assuming that you are actually interested in getting this information instead of just messing around and asking a question where you know exactly what kind of answer you're going to get simply because of the way you asked it):

-Do you follow fashion and current trends by reading magazines?
-Do you buy celebrity gossip literature?

(Please note that the two question above are not in the same category)

-Do you wear makeup and do you worry about putting her self together?
-Are you interested in dressing fashionably?
(this includes shoes, clothes, accessories)
-Do you like to go shopping?

(i'm not going to touch the next two since they make no sense to me)

-Do you find yourself gossiping and engaging in small talk?

[childofprodigy]

Originally Posted by Josephine1012 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I believe you might be introducing a little bias in the way you're asking these questions. Your phrasing makes the activity sound inherently shallow. So I'm going to try a slightly different version, that seeks to obtain the same type of information (I'm assuming that you are actually interested in getting this information instead of just messing around and asking a question where you know exactly what kind of answer you're going to get simply because of the way you asked it): -Do you follow fashion and current trends by reading magazines? -Do you buy celebrity gossip literature? (Please note that the two question above are not in the same category) -Do you wear makeup and do you worry about putting her self together? -Are you interested in dressing fashionably? (this includes shoes, clothes, accessories) -Do you like to go shopping? (i'm not going to touch the next two since they make no sense to me) -Do you find yourself gossiping and engaging in small talk?

LOL, Oh Josephine...You are such a wonderful person

I admit that there's a slight male bias to the phrasing of the question, and it wasn't because I think those activities are shallow. It's just that those activities would seem weird if a guy were to do it (thus weird in a male point of view) and seem to be things that only girls would do (or feminine guys).

And I've never met an INTJ girl (a girl whom I'm 100% sure is INTJ), so I seriously don't know LOL

Oh and regarding the love and peace part...You see (and I'm talking about general trends here, not an All Xs are Ys statement) guys are about sex and war, but girls seem to be the opposite, that is, that they are about love and peace.

By sex and war, I mean that when guys search for girlfriends (especially at this age), he's more interested in her physical attractiveness rather than her personality due to the fact that he wants to have sex with her more than everything else. On the other hand, when girls look for boyfriends, they are actually interested in what the guy is like as a person rather than mere physical attractiveness: whether or not he will be faithful mate and will care about her. So girls want love more than sex whereas guys want sex more than love.

Also guys tend to be more egocentric, violent, competitive, and conflict oriented (ie most violent crimes are committed by men, men are more interested in violent video games, etc) whereas girls tend to be more cooperative, selfless, and interested in win-win situations rather than zero sum games. That's what I mean by the 'peace' part.

Lol :P

[Storm]

Ok, I will answer the questions without the bias:
-Do you follow fashion and current trends by reading magazines?
No.

-Do you buy celebrity gossip literature?
No

-Do you wear makeup and do you worry about putting her self together
I sometimes wear makeup. I try to put myself together in the morning.

-Are you interested in dressing fashionably?
(this includes shoes, clothes, accessories)
Yes. I try to dress fasionably, but not trendy. I buy clothing which will make me look respectable, feminine (note: feminine does not always mean sexy), and showcase my individual taste.

-Do you like to go shopping?
When I do go shopping (once a season), I enjoy it. I do not go shopping simply for the hell of it. I like to go when I need something.

-Do you find yourself gossiping and engaging in small talk?
I try not to engage in gossip as I find it rude. But it is tempting and I do it more than I would like. I do engage in small talk - not all conversations can be about the meaning of life. On a side, show me a man who claims he does not engage in gossip and I will show you a liar. Sentiments like "Did you hear Suzy is the football team's bicycle? That girl's a total slut. Wish I were on the football team," are gossip.

Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

By sex and war, I mean that when guys search for girlfriends (especially at this age), he's more interested in her physical attractiveness rather than her personality due to the fact that he wants to have sex with her more than everything else. On the other hand, when girls look for boyfriends, they are actually interested in what the guy is like as a person rather than mere physical attractiveness: whether or not he will be faithful mate and will care about her. So girls want love more than sex whereas guys want sex more than love.

This is because of your age. Once you hit a certain age (typically sometime during the 20s) men should start caring more about "marriage-material" in women, rather than their cup size. Of course, some men never hit this level of maturity, neither do some women. But, the vast majority do.

[Nikita]

-Do you follow fashion and current trends by reading magazines?
I'll read about fashion, but I don't follow trends.

-Do you buy celebrity gossip literature?
No. But I will read it in a doctor's office if I'm bored.

-Do you wear makeup and do you worry about putting yourself together?
I rarely wear makeup or worry about being put together. My style is simple and casual and requires little effort.

-Are you interested in dressing fashionably?
Nope. I wear what I like, damn the trends.

-Do you like to go shopping?
No. If I go to a store, it's to get something specific. I get it and get out. It irks me when other people want to go with me because I know they'll waste my time by wanting to look around. The one exception to shopping would be a book store. I stay out of those when I don't have money to burn because it's like letting a kid loose into a candy store.

-Do you find yourself gossiping and engaging in small talk?
As to gossip, I try not to say anything that I would not say to the person's face if prompted directly. As to small talk, not voluntarily.

Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

By sex and war, I mean that when guys search for girlfriends (especially at this age), he's more interested in her physical attractiveness rather than her personality due to the fact that he wants to have sex with her more than everything else. On the other hand, when girls look for boyfriends, they are actually interested in what the guy is like as a person rather than mere physical attractiveness: whether or not he will be faithful mate and will care about her. So girls want love more than sex whereas guys want sex more than love. Also guys tend to be more egocentric, violent, competitive, and conflict oriented (ie most violent crimes are committed by men, men are more interested in violent video games, etc) whereas girls tend to be more cooperative, selfless, and interested in win-win situations rather than zero sum games. That's what I mean by the 'peace' part.

Love vs. Sex:
I do care about the substance of the man's character, but I also have to be physically attracted to him. I want physical, sexual, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual attraction and connection. But I'm also not looking for booty calls. In the context of love, I want extreme amounts of sex. But I refuse to go there with strangers or people who are not right for me.

Peace vs. War:
I have a selfless streak as well as a selfish streak. In the context of competition, I like to win. I tend towards violence and competitiveness as opposed to wishy-washy middle of the road politics in games. Taking this out of games and into life, some situations are better served by seeking that win-win compromise, others are zero sum out of necessity. I am comfortable with either.

[Neom4a1]

	Originally Posted by idem To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I sincerely hope that you realize that not all females are like that.

I would assume so, but I would also assume that childofprodigy at least knows some girls who are like this, possibly a majority. I will assume you weren't offended, but I will say that there are a lot of girls like this (at least as far as teens go), and about 70% of the ones I know behave this way, some to an extreme degree. I think, however, that the original point of the topic was that childofprodigy wanted to know if INTJ girls/women behaved differently from their peers in reference to traits that are almost universally female (meaning that they carry across personality types). In other words, do all females have certain traits that they are born with (or take to because of peer pressure), or do INTJ girls differ from the norm in some way. I am sorry if I have misinterpreted your statement, which, as you may have noticed, is an easy thing to do on the interwebz™.

[countrygirl]

I'm an ISFJ and was never into those things as a teenagers. When I was 20, I was in the military part time and working security.

[Reganon]

Originally Posted by childofprodigy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Like the following: -Reading fashion magazines, People magazines, and celebrity magazines, etc -Wearing makeup -obsessing over shoes, hairs, handbags, and clothes, etc -Extremely concerned about your own beauty, etc -Strolling around the shopping mall 7 hours per day, etc (ok that's exaggerated but you know what I mean) -Drawing heart symbols on every single thing you touch -All about love and peace, etc -Loves to gossip and chitchat about obscure things, etc Do you? Do you?

I don't do any of those things, and I have no desire to start liking them.