[Synamon]

Originally Posted by toonia To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Would it be Te then that can name every bird call, remember every Opus number for classical music, and basically recall all sorts of classifications of facts? or is that Si? I'm sure that the Si-Te/Te-Si pairings produce that skill, but am not certain which is the most significant function in that process. I have understood another difference between Te and Ti to have to do with how information is verified, whether externally or internally.

I've thought about this a lot since my husband is Si and I'm Ni and his memory of random facts is awful and mine is amazing. I'm not sure if it can be attributed to a single process driving it. I assumed that the random data was being catagorized and stored by Ni and then spit back out when it needed it, but that's probably not quite the way it works. You might be right about Te driving that process. It is a bully so maybe it tells or forces Ni or Si to keep all that data stored away for it, just in case.

Te is certainly more prone to confirmation bias in the verification process than Ti is (Fe is like that compared to Fi as well). Te starts from the basic assumption that whatever idea Ni (or Si) gives it is likely right and immediately starts trying to prove that it is right or will work (ie. good enough). Te is happy when something works or fits the requirements, and if it fails then it demands a new idea. Ti is nitpicky and tests validity by looking for flaws or trying to prove that the premise is wrong. Essentially it looks for the idea with the least flaws or the other way to say that is it wants the best idea, not just one that is right (since often there are multiple right answers to things). Ok I'm veering off into Philosophy but hopefully you get my point.

Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I've been wondering about something - what is Te like? What is it like to be Te dominant? What is it like to have strong (say, auxiliary) Te? I'm to the point where I get Ti, Ne, Ni and Fi, and I think I have a decent idea of Se and Fe based on observation. But on Si and Te, I'm still msotly clueless. So - can someone please describe what it's like to be a habitual user of Te? What is Te motivated by? What is enjoyable about Te? Why do you value your Te?

I had a meta-discussion with someone about Te and Ti the other day, let's see if my Ni has chewed on it enough so that Te can verbalize it here.

Te isn't enjoyable, it's a bully and it's cold. It is efficient and prepared and confident though. Ooooh I should make a pro and con list for Te.

*adds that to my mental "to do list" and will return to this thread*

(I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a pro and con list is a Te thing.
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[Mozzes]

Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Te is certainly more prone to confirmation bias in the verification process than Ti is (Fe is like that compared to Fi as well). Te starts from the basic assumption that whatever idea Ni (or Si) gives it is likely right and immediately starts trying to prove that it is right or will work (ie. good enough). Te is happy when something works or fits the requirements, and if it fails then it demands a new idea. Ti is nitpicky and tests validity by looking for flaws or trying to prove that the premise is wrong. Essentially it looks for the idea with the least flaws or the other way to say that is it wants the best idea, not just one that is right (since often there are multiple right answers to things). Ok I'm veering off into Philosophy but hopefully you get my point.

Maybe this is why Ti often thinks Te/Ni is full of shit.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by Mozzes To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Maybe this is why Ti often thinks Te/Ni is full of shit.

And why Te thinks Ne/Ti is spinning it's wheels or chasing it's tail.
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[TheLastMohican]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What is it like to be Te dominant?

ESTJ and ENTJ are the two Te-dominant types. Their auxiliary functions are Si and Ni respectively, making them pretty different from each other in terms of reasoning; the similarity is in the direct and sometimes overbearing approach.
Dominant Te lacks the safeguards of the other functions: it has no N or S function in front of it working as a filter, and it lacks empathy and internal focus. The support of Si or Ni seems out of place, often left with little to do by the time Te is finished, and might atrophy, or appear to be replaced by another function.

[Eleven]

	Originally Posted by "Synamon
	Te isn't enjoyable, it's a bully and it's cold. It is efficient and prepared and confident though.

Your auxiliary process is one you don't enjoy?!

...I don't get it.

	Ooooh I should make a pro and con list for Te.

I'd love to see one.
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	Originally Posted by TheLastMohican To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	ESTJ and ENTJ are the two Te-dominant types. Their auxiliary functions are Si and Ni respectively, making them pretty different from each other in terms of reasoning; the similarity is in the direct and sometimes overbearing approach.

I know which types are Te dominant, and I have an idea of what Te looks like from the outside. I'm sort of wondering...what it's like to use Te.

	Dominant Te lacks the safeguards of the other functions: it has no N or S function in front of it working as a filter,

Do dominant Fe, Ti and Fi also suffer from this?

	and it lacks empathy and internal focus.

I hadn't though of this. I suppose Fe and Fi both have empathy, and Ti and Fi both have internal focus?

	The support of Si or Ni seems out of place, often left with little to do by the time Te is finished, and might atrophy, or appear to be replaced by another function.

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[Empathic]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I know which types are Te dominant, and I have an idea of what Te looks like from the outside. I'm sort of wondering...what it's like to use Te.

My Fe and Te are almost equal, like they so turn out in cognitive processes tests. When using Te, think being a scheduler. For dominant Te people, ExTJs, this is what they do most of the time.

[Ace1337]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I know which types are Te dominant, and I have an idea of what Te looks like from the outside. I'm sort of wondering...what it's like to use Te.

It's when you plant a forest and come back in ten years and feel so awesomely proud that you changed the world. Like you own that change in the world. It's when you solve real world problems 10 times easier than abstract ones. When you're learning something new you always ask yourself "How am I going to use this?", "Why am I learning this if I'll never use it in life?"

Te paired with Ni helps you organize a 100 people to do something in the most efficient way possible. When you go to sleep you think about those 100 people, the projects, the strategies, the enemies, you play scenarios in your head, make plans for worst case scenarios, think about the responsibilities of all those 100 men, who's most likely going to screw things up, and all that thinking at 1 AM isn't stressing you because you don't even know what stress is.

People with Te like responsibilities and the more responsibilities they have, the more important they feel. They like to have power because it helps them change the world. If they're not changing the world in a significant way they feel like they aren't doing anything, like they're worthless.

[TheLastMohican]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I suppose Fe and Fi both have empathy, and Ti and Fi both have internal focus?

Yes. All the functions have their shortcomings, and dominant Te is the most "brutal." ExTJs commonly have problems with tact, more than other extroverts. IxTJs use Te as backup, and their introversion causes them to be less in-your-face, if often more socially awkward.

[Eleven]

	Originally Posted by Ace1337 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	When you go to sleep you think about those 100 people, the projects, the strategies, the enemies, you play scenarios in your head, make plans for worst case scenarios, think about the responsibilities of all those 100 men, who's most likely going to screw things up, and all that thinking at 1 AM isn't stressing you because you don't even know what stress is.

Is it not Te when you make contingency plans and run through all possible scenarios for reasons that don't involve ordering other people (i.e. just based around what you would do if...)?

	because you don't even know what stress is.[/

Is Te really associated with a reduced propensity to stress?

[Ace1337]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it not Te when you make contingency plans and run through all possible scenarios for reasons that don't involve ordering other people (i.e. just based around what you would do if...)? Is Te really associated with a reduced propensity to stress?

The contingency plans are more of a "Te+Ni" thing because I find ESTJs incapable of looking far into the future. I think intuition plays a greater part in that area than Te.

Maybe we do get stressed out but most of us don't even realize we're under stress. We take responsibility naturally.

I think the most important difference between Ti and Te is that Te is more interested in the application of knowledge while Ti is more interested in figuring things out. That's why most INTPs think people with Te are close minded. Our close mindedness comes from the fact that the thought after the idea is almost always the application. What good is knowledge if it's not useful or never gets applied?

[rain]

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The contingency plans are more of a "Te+Ni" thing because I find ESTJs incapable of looking far into the future. I think intuition plays a greater part in that area than Te. Maybe we do get stressed out but most of us don't even realize we're under stress. We take responsibility naturally. I think the most important difference between Ti and Te is that Te is more interested in the application of knowledge while Ti is more interested in figuring things out. That's why most INTPs think people with Te are close minded. Our close mindedness comes from the fact that the thought after the idea is almost always the application. What good is knowledge if it's not useful or never gets applied?

Interesting analysis Ace, but I've found that Te- is really open-mindness- gathering information, conducting research first- as opposed to Fe/Fi dominant individuals who are resistant to change.

I think the reason why ENTJs are often called "judgmental" and why ESTJs are "close-minded" is because both types respect efficiency and order. Also ENTJs like to skip a few steps ahead, let's say, if the old way of working is slowing down productivity...but of course, the entire hierarchy establishes that there is a process which one has to go through before one can reach that point.

A lot of my female ENTJ friends has had a problem with incompetent bosses, who liked doing things the expensive and time consuming way- when their way was better for the organization, saving time/money and resources...but always had a hard time figuring out how to overcome that initial corporate obstacle.

I think close-minded is more associated with one's personal values- and forcing people to abide by them and not listening to other people (a lack of Te).

[aku chi]

	Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Interesting analysis Ace, but I've found that Te- is really open-mindness- gathering information, conducting research first- as opposed to Fe/Fi dominant individuals who are resistant to change. ... I think close-minded is more associated with one's personal values- and forcing people to abide by them and not listening to other people (a lack of Te).

I disagree. I think that Ti influences open-mindedness more than Te. INTPs seem to be the perfect scientists. They hypothesize with their auxilary Ne, collect information with their tertiary Si, and (most importantly) construct logical, consistent theorems with their dominant Ti. INTPs are also prone to skip the second step and conduct thought experiments with just Ne and Ti, but that is another matter. Ti takes the time to logically construct theorems from axioms on up to ensure consistency. Ti is open to new ideas, but it will subject those ideas to riggerous logic and consistency tests.

I don't think that xNTJs, with their Te are particularly good scientists. Ni does enable xNTJs to form conclusions and make hypotheses (sadly, in that order). However, because Ni convergences on perceived truths that are usually backed up by Fi (especially in INTJs), Te often takes the role of seeking to externally validate those 'truths'. Sadly, we xNTJs often exhibit confirmation bias. In this instance, therefore, Te contributes to close-mindedness.

Without going into much detail, I suspect Fe contributes to close-mindedness more than Fi. To claim that an INFP is resistant to change is very foolish in my opinion.

Originally Posted by rain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I think the reason why ENTJs are often called "judgmental" and why ESTJs are "close-minded" is because both types respect efficiency and order. Also ENTJs like to skip a few steps ahead, let's say, if the old way of working is slowing down productivity...but of course, the entire hierarchy establishes that there is a process which one has to go through before one can reach that point. A lot of my female ENTJ friends has had a problem with incompetent bosses, who liked doing things the expensive and time consuming way- when their way was better for the organization, saving time/money and resources...but always had a hard time figuring out how to overcome that initial corporate obstacle.

I agree with all of the above. In my opinion, this demostrates a close-minded tendency of Te-dominant types. Te strives for efficiency and productivity, so alternate ideas may be rejected because considering those ideas wouldn't be efficient. I think that ESTJs are more close-minded because their auxilary Si is antagonistic towards alternate perceptions of systems. And ESTJs seem to support order even if it is inefficient...

[rain]

Originally Posted by aku chi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I disagree. I think that Ti influences open-mindedness more than Te. INTPs seem to be the perfect scientists. They hypothesize with their auxilary Ne, collect information with their tertiary Si, and (most importantly) construct logical, consistent theorems with their dominant Ti. INTPs are also prone to skip the second step and conduct thought experiments with just Ne and Ti, but that is another matter. Ti takes the time to logically construct theorems from axioms on up to ensure consistency. Ti is open to new ideas, but it will subject those ideas to riggerous logic and consistency tests.

What you're referring to in INTPs regarding Ti- is more related to logical order, as opposed to being open-minded. As far as my interactions with INTPs- they are often stubborn mules, having issues with integrating the opinions of others- and I mean that in the most affectionate way possible
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Without going into much detail, I suspect Fe contributes to close-mindedness more than Fi. To claim that an INFP is resistant to change is very foolish in my opinion. I agree with all of the above. In my opinion, this demostrates a close-minded tendency of Te-dominant types. Te strives for efficiency and productivity, so alternate ideas may be rejected because considering those ideas wouldn't be efficient. I think that ESTJs are more close-minded because their auxilary Si is antagonistic towards alternate perceptions of systems. And ESTJs seem to support order even if it is inefficient...

In my experience, ENTJs are often the people who stand up for others, even against popular opinion. This is what I mean by Te- not necessarily efficiency/productivity but being able to see the big picture, even if that picture is only in fragments.

I can say that with the ENTJs I know, they are constantly filling in the blanks, and assimilating information as they go along. INTPs- do not have this discerning ability due to an inability to see outside themselves.

Of course there are exceptions, I'm sure.

[Ace1337]

	Originally Posted by aku chi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	They hypothesize with their auxilary Ne, collect information with their tertiary Si

"Jung identified two pairs of psychological functions:

* The two perceiving functions, sensing and intuition
* The two judging functions, thinking and feeling"

You collect information with your preferred perceiving function. The preferred perceiving function of INTPs is intuition(Ne).

And INTJ is "The Scientist" type on many MBTI sites.

[aku chi]

	Originally Posted by Ace1337 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You collect information with your preferred perceiving function. The preferred perceiving function of INTPs is intuition(Ne).

Do you mean to imply that you can't collect information with your tertiary function (in your case, Se)? We can all use all eight Jungian functions, our type simply indicates our preferences (and often skill) at using particular functions.

	Originally Posted by Ace1337 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	And INTJ is "The Scientist" type on many MBTI sites.

And I happen to disagree with this title. INTJs can make decent scientists, but I think that INTPs are best suited for scientific endeavors (and lists of famous INTPs are consistent with my beliefs). Let me explain. Scientific endeavors usually consist of three major tasks, generating a hypothesis, testing and experimenting with data, and forming meaningful conclusions.

What Jungian functions would be best suited towards hypothesis generation? Ne is often described as the brainstorming function. It is divergent in that it perceives by generating new possibilities. Ne seems ideal for hypothesis generation.

What Jungian functions would be best suited towards testing and experimenting with data? I suspect Si would be best here as it concerns collecting and categorizing items in the real world. I know that I have little patience for this portion of the scientific method as an INTJ (very weak Si).

What Jungian functions would be best suited towards forming meaningful conclusions? I think Ti is ideally suited for this task. Ti is thorough, deductive, and impersonal. I would argue that this is the most important stage of the scientific method, and those with a dominant Ti would be best suited for this task.

There is only one Myers-Briggs type that has Ne, Si, and Ti as its three most preferred functions, the INTP. INTPs aren't most comfortable with using Si but they can still excercise it adequately when it complements their dominant Ne and Ti. As such, I believe that INTPs are the ideal scientists (especially theoretical scientists, where Si is less important). That doesn't mean that other types can't be good scientists (ENTPs, ISTPs, and INTJs can be good scientists in their own right), but none will be as comfortable as INTPs when doing so.

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	What you're referring to in INTPs regarding Ti- is more related to logical order, as opposed to being open-minded. As far as my interactions with INTPs- they are often stubborn mules, having issues with integrating the opinions of others- and I mean that in the most affectionate way possible To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

And you have a different experience interacting with INTJs?
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In my experience, ENTJs are often the people who stand up for others, even against popular opinion. This is what I mean by Te- not necessarily efficiency/productivity but being able to see the big picture, even if that picture is only in fragments. I can say that with the ENTJs I know, they are constantly filling in the blanks, and assimilating information as they go along. INTPs- do not have this discerning ability due to an inability to see outside themselves.

I think the above has more to do with Ni than Te. Seeing the big picture is a trait possessed by Ni dominant types. Te is, in my opinion, reflected more in the communication style of xxTJs and less in the communication content.

[Ace1337]

	Originally Posted by aku chi To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Do you mean to imply that you can't collect information with your tertiary function (in your case, Se)?

Yes I can but I prefer Ni and INTPs prefer Ne, that's why they're INTPs and not ISFJs.

[KBRod]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your auxiliary process is one you don't enjoy?! ...I don't get it.

I thoroughly enjoy (to a point, depending on how terrible the writer is) identifying and correcting errors in writing. Te helps me apply the nuances of grammer so I can root out the mistakes. Of course, to the person I'm helping, Te is ruthless and cold, which is probably why people with a similar interest are referred to as Grammar Nazis.

[Eleven]

Is it Te when you enjoy organising a paper into sensible, manageable, discrete sections for the ease of understanding of a potential reader and for the intelligible flow of the argument?

[Jaden Arbiter]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it Te when you enjoy organising a paper into sensible, manageable, discrete sections for the ease of understanding of a potential reader and for the intelligible flow of the argument?

Well to be perfectly honest an extroverted person wouldn't expend their energy figuring out very subtle and unimportant nuances such as that. What you would be essentially doing is subconsciously experiencing a desire to socialize with someone about a matter you believe is worth discussing about and feel the best way to make yourself feel natural since you aren't socializing is writing in 2nd person. But don't bother with crappy thoughts like that, they really can't help you any and the reasons for them are usually always out in the air.

[Eleven]

Originally Posted by Jaden Arbiter To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Well to be perfectly honest an extroverted person wouldn't expend their energy figuring out very subtle and unimportant nuances such as that. What you would be essentially doing is subconsciously experiencing a desire to socialize with someone about a matter you believe is worth discussing about and feel the best way to make yourself feel natural since you aren't socializing is writing in 2nd person. But don't bother with crappy thoughts like that, they really can't help you any and the reasons for them are usually always out in the air.

Using Te does not equate to being an extroverted person. It's the auxiliary process of INTJs and ISTJs.

I'm also not sure that doing this is a sign of having a subconscious desire to socialise with someone. It's not writing in second person, either (it's an essay).

I'll rephrase my question. Is it Te when, with regard to writing essays, you enjoy structuring the content and argument into a coherent whole? When you get a sense of satisfaction from having just the right introduction and conclusion, and having the whole thing flow naturally, and cover all of the points you want it to cover clearly? When you enjoy dividing a project into sections to be placed in order?

[KBRod]

	Originally Posted by Eleven To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it Te when, with regard to writing essays, you enjoy structuring the content and argument into a coherent whole? When you get a sense of satisfaction from having just the right introduction and conclusion, and having the whole thing flow naturally, and cover all of the points you want it to cover clearly? When you enjoy dividing a project into sections to be placed in order?

When I start thinking about what I'll write in a paper, Ni will chug out a slew a points I have to make. Then Te comes along, and I write an outline and search the texts for proper points that back up the claims Ni made.

I think the "satisfaction from having just the right introduction and conclusion" stems from Ti. Suppose you have an bad sentence. Ni cranks out possible replacements, and Te judges their grammatical sense and makes sure they're passable. Ti haunts you if it's not perfect.

When I have random ideas for doing interesting things like writing a novel, for example, Te silently but stalkerishly (I'm making this word up) reminds me that "the story must be told," compelling me to take the effort to occaisionally add passages for eventual melding. Getting it done perfectly in terms of how I word things is more in the realm of Ti. This is another reason why Te might be considered an unenjoyable function. Ni is yelling "look what I can do, if I really wanted!" Te is sitting back, watching with a disgusted look in the face with the reply "well go do it!"

[Takeru]

Te may not be a strong function too me.... or something I think I use kind of subconsciously without knowing I am. BUT, the way I go on with using Te (or at least I think) is that when I find a past experience relevant to the given topic. It brings the given information back to Fi to process and eventually use.

How does this work? Lets take an easy example. I find that a friend is in deep distress with his family. He starts talking to me and asking for advice on what he should do about his problem. I ask him what is his particular problem? Is it because his family doesn't understand him or his preferences on why he chooses Art as his major (again for simplicity's sake.)

I look back at past experiences and information I have gather to support my reasoning to give to my friend in the best way possible. The source of this information is big as it is all the experiences I have gathered relating to family and parents. So I'll have to sort myself in my mind to give the best possible answer to the friend as much as possible.

I'll tell him, it could be that your family wants the best out of you. Art itself is a tempting major, but the fact is, people in this world don't see it's value too well. Parents usually do not see that Art will allow someone to make a living. So they try to get their children like you to do something more "practical." His options are to continue pursuing Art and disobeying his parents wants and needs (and maybe straining the family ties) Go along with your parents wishes, and possibly live miserably like you are right now. Or find a middle ground somewhere, something that can give him the ability to use art on his time, but also fulfill his parents wishes to find a more practical and stable career.

[Synamon]

	Originally Posted by Takeru916 To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Te may not be a strong function too me.... or something I think I use kind of subconsciously without knowing I am. BUT, the way I go on with using Te (or at least I think) is that when I find a past experience relevant to the given topic. It brings the given information back to Fi to process and eventually use.

Your post described how you use Si not Te. Te is a decision making function like Fi, not an subconscious perceiving function which is what you described. Since Si is the tertiary function for an INFP it would be natural for you to tap into it when the situation requires it.

[Takeru]

	Originally Posted by Synamon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your post described how you use Si not Te. Te is a decision making function like Fi, not an subconscious perceiving function which is what you described. Since Si is the tertiary function for an INFP it would be natural for you to tap into it when the situation requires it.

So would Te be something along the lines of choosing a major and sticking with it even though others tell you it isn't a good idea?

I've decided to stick to Computer Science, but others that compare to me say that it was one of the worse decisions they had made in their life (other INFP's.) I have decided to get into it based on facts such as : Money, Stability, generality, and travel. I've study that there is a more business side of Computer Science and a more art side of Computer Science (computer graphics and animation.... such as with Pixar) I have no problem with having to do either side. No matter what they say, I'll continue on that path until I myself deem it detrimental to myself.

I plan on sticking to community college for 2 more years before I choose a UC/CSU.

How I see years later is that I'll be working in and around California, and maybe move to other places that heavily use Computer Science.

I have found that Computer Science is one of the top 10 starting four year degrees with the most pay

It might take a while for me to get what Te really is. I get Fi Ne and Si... Te is just something else. I was thinking that when I use Si, Te kind of tags along.

It is a way of choosing a decision based on the facts from outside sources I have went through?

[Jack Raiden]

Te is fairly easy to understand all you have to do is "Look inside yourself", we're INTJs and Te is our auxiliary.

What do INTJs do when they get an idea or concept in their head? Te comes and organizes and makes sense of the idea, finds its weaknesses, its strengths and then comes up with a nice summarized report on what the idea or concept is in the INTJs mind.

Journal writing is unique in where you are taking internal thoughts and ideas about yourself and placing them on a piece of paper. At this point, analyzing and organizing the information becomes a Te task. (It's why INTJs are obsessed about reviewing their writing!)

INTPs on the other hand have Ti as there dominant and show many of the traits of Ti.

INTPs take ideas and strip it down to its essence/truth and build from there. They have to figure out everthing about the idea before they are confident that they know it. (They are never confident that they know everything). INTJs will accept the premises and build from there and come to a conclusion while the INTP will still be thinking about the premises and whether they are right.

Te accepts the premises and organizes the data. Ti questions the premises and determines their validity.