[Karamazov]

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	"This is a farewell kiss, you dog!" shouted the protester in Arabic, later identified as Muntadar al-Zeidi, a correspondent for Al-Baghdadia television, an Iraqi-owned station based in Cairo, Egypt.

I thought this was rather amusing. Bush has certainly been busy trying to salvage what's left of his image as President on all major news networks.

[Luthor Rex]

If I were Bush, I would have kept the man's shoes.

[darkeldar88]

AHAH. This reminded me of Austin Powers and the guy who threw the shoe.

"That really hurt! I'm gonna have a lump there, you idiot! Who throws a shoe? Honestly! "

[Sean O]

Heh, I saw this on the news. I lol'd.
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[Thumper]

He was pretty quick with that dodge. I half expected him to grab the second shoe out of the air and throw it back. The guy next to him (the Prime Minister?) looked like he was trying to!

I wonder what'll happen to the shoe thrower? He's lucky that Guantanamo is being shut down!

[Reon]

Now, only if I had those reflexes!

[Tishy]

I laughed.

What the guy is quoted as saying is interesting - I think this was someone so frustrated with the way this who thing as gone down, not a religious fanatic, but a frustrated person.

Hell, I want to throw shoes at Bush, often.

[void]

The Yankees should sign the journalist up for a 2 year $10 million contract. Good aim and even better velocity. I don't think Bush will have any problem landing a job at the Secret Service with reflex timing like that.

Great performances from both parties.

[ScottH]

"An source inside at Guantonamo Base claims there is a new mystery detainee of unknown origin. The man claims to be an Iraqi journalist, but his claims cannot be verified."

"The Whitehouse refused to comment, saying only 'if she shoe fits...'"

News at 11:00.

j/k

[Vagrant]

XD

Just by the look on Dubya's face, I think he got a kick out of that. He has good reflexes too.

[blckprljinju]

man, if someone threw a shoe at me, I'd get hit scare on the face thanks to my sucky reflex...

He shouldn't have opened so many cans of worms... the majority was for invading Afghanistan, but not for Iraq; if he handled things well in Afghanistan and not mess with Iraq (at least until he got everything set up in Afghanistan), no shoe would have been thrown... or so I think.

[ClydeB]

I can see it now

"Shoeless" Muntadar al-Zeidi was 0 and 2 against Dubya Bush on Sunday before being ejected for a technicality.

Hard to believe now that eight years ago I voted for him. And supported him until that left turn into Iraq. Talk about a "wtf?" moment.

[rara avis]

I was wondering, was it something in particular that Bush said at the moment that set the guy off- or was it just an on-general-principle type of shoe chucking?

Must've been a bad moment to be a Secret Service Agent on duty... somebody sure got their adrenaline rush for the day.

I heard Bush said he saw the guy's sole [soul]. Seems like intentional word-play is not usually our current president's stock in trade, even on that level, and I imagined an aide saying it to him in an aside before he cleverly tossed the line to the press on the plane.

[Nikita]

Yet another example of the decline in humanity. It's pathetic that a man (and I used the word "man" loosely) tasked with using the pen resorts to throwing a shoe at another man as if that man were an animal and not a person.

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yet another example of the decline in humanity. It's pathetic that a man (and I used the word "man" loosely) tasked with using the pen resorts to throwing a shoe at another man as if that man were an animal and not a person.

I do not believe this to be representative of a decline. People have always been like this. Everywhere.

[Nikita]

	Originally Posted by stasis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I do not believe this to be representative of a decline. People have always been like this. Everywhere.

The fact that it is praised by some, including here on this forum, and found to be amusing as opposed to objectionable is what I see as evidence of decline. I do agree that this kind of behavior has existed historically (fights in the Colosseum, public hangings, etc.), but that does not mean that humanity should not have learned its lesson by now. For every atrocity that is abolished, more appear in its place. Where will it end? Or will we all just destroy ourselves because we're inacapable, as a whole, of seeing the simple value in human life?

[stasis]

	Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The fact that it is praised by some, including here on this forum, and found to be amusing as opposed to objectionable is what I see as evidence of decline.

An unexpected trouncing of social normalcy every now and again is amusing. It would've been even more amusing if he'd thrown a turnip or something more random than his shoe, which, to a westerner, is already pretty random.

	Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Where will it end? Or will we all just destroy ourselves because we're inacapable, as a whole, of seeing the simple value in human life?

I wouldn't say this dichotomy is a necessary one. As far as I know, most of us have been like this for the whole of recorded human history. Yet, here we all are. Still.

[errrzarrr]

^^ *wtf-face* O.o

[void]

	Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Yet another example of the decline in humanity. It's pathetic that a man (and I used the word "man" loosely) tasked with using the pen resorts to throwing a shoe at another man as if that man were an animal and not a person.

Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The fact that it is praised by some, including here on this forum, and found to be amusing as opposed to objectionable is what I see as evidence of decline. I do agree that this kind of behavior has existed historically (fights in the Colosseum, public hangings, etc.), but that does not mean that humanity should not have learned its lesson by now. For every atrocity that is abolished, more appear in its place. Where will it end? Or will we all just destroy ourselves because we're inacapable, as a whole, of seeing the simple value in human life?

Oh please, stop with the faux outrage. It is amusing and undoubtedly understandable. The journalist threw a pair of shoes, not a frickin grenade. You're seriously connecting this behaviour to public hanging? Really?

[BlackOp]

	Originally Posted by void To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Oh please, stop with the faux outrage. It is amusing and undoubtedly understandable. The journalist threw a pair of shoes, not a frickin grenade. You're seriously connecting this behaviour to public hanging? Really?

Should have been a pile of flaming shit.......
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[metamagnet]

	Originally Posted by void To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You're seriously connecting this behaviour to public hanging? Really?

That's what I was thinking!
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Throwing shoes is probably the most light-hearted violence I've seen in the media in years.

[blckprljinju]

Originally Posted by Nikita To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The fact that it is praised by some, including here on this forum, and found to be amusing as opposed to objectionable is what I see as evidence of decline. I do agree that this kind of behavior has existed historically (fights in the Colosseum, public hangings, etc.), but that does not mean that humanity should not have learned its lesson by now. For every atrocity that is abolished, more appear in its place. Where will it end? Or will we all just destroy ourselves because we're inacapable, as a whole, of seeing the simple value in human life?

It's not like Bush got a concussion from the shoes, or that there was a bomb or something...

I see where you're coming from; but I don't think this action warranted anything to the level of "Colosseum fights" or "public hangings". It just shows that someone really hated Bush in Iraq threw shoes at him.

When we really hate someone, don't we also feel the urge to sometimes throw something at that person to make them shut up or because we really want them hurt? I think it's the same thing.

As a whole, I'd say that we know perfectly just how fragile and meaningless a human life is and can be. Thousands of people kill themselves from suicides, few more cause self-mutilation, and some even kill others for a rolex, or for money in the bank.

We think human life is valuable; but in the given environment, looking at humans not separately but as part of the ecosystem created in planet earth, it's quite easy to see just how little of value human life actually is in the big picture. We can build skyscrapers hundreds of floors high, but we can't even protect ourself from hurricanes, forest fires, or tornadoes and must be subjected to nature's whim in the general sense, after all. We create medicines to fight all sorts of diseases but can't prevent death; and we boast of great technological advancements and of intellectual development, but even in the US, 1 out of every 5 child suffers starvation. To say that human life is valuable, sounds almost paradoxical...

Anyways..., throwing a pair of shoes at a foreign president of the hegemonic country who led the "crusade" against a country for no legitimate reason (to be found), got so wrapped up in the game of war that he ignored everything inside that needed attention, and for being... well, not the best leader, is a perfectly warranted human behavior (albeit a bit immature and beautifully hilarious); also tells you just how ineffective our nation's secret services may be, if they can't protect the president from something as common as a pair of shoes...

[Airius]

Nicely played on both ends.

[idem]

I agree with blckprljinju. Nikita, you seem to be overreacting a bit, as shoe-throwing is not life-threatening. I see your point, however. While throwing a shoe at a president (who, in my opinion, deserves it) is funny when looked at in one light, it neither solves anything nor helps anybody, and random displays of anger rarely get anyone anywhere.

[Reon]

	Originally Posted by void To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The Yankees should sign the journalist up for a 2 year $10 million contract. Good aim and even better velocity. I don't think Bush will have any problem landing a job at the Secret Service with reflex timing like that. Great performances from both parties.

Isn't the job of a secret serviceman to protect the president from an assassination, not be the target of one? ;p

Nikita: I love your supposed 'outrage' If you think this is bad, then I...don't really know what to tell you.