[alrightgame]

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm curious as to what you are judging as 'close' in Apricots' reply. I don't see anything there, that a sufficiently advanced technology couldn't do.

That is why I said she was close. It is missing the action of her typing the image. It also missing something else, but I can't put my finger on it. Note that you can easily copy the HTML of this post as a computer.

[SirJamesIII]

*posts picture of self... Identifies self in photo... Describes what happened that day (specifically info that is not yet on any hard drive anywhere) ... Hopes people trust that I'm telling the truth.

[Ender]

	Originally Posted by alrightgame To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How can you prove you are not a computer in one sentence or action?

I can cry, but I cannot show you that here.

[Vermillion]

I'm actually a cat. It's hard for me to type with my furry paws but I manage. :3


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[SirJamesIII]

Or even easier. Post a picture of yourself holding a piece of paper saying, "I'm not a computer alrightgame" with an arrow pointing to you.

[alrightgame]

	Originally Posted by Ender To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I can cry, but I cannot show you that here.

What would it be? You can explain the action that you are making.

[DevAnima]

	Originally Posted by alrightgame To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How can you prove you are not a computer in one sentence or action?

Who said that I'm not ?
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What are your definitions of "you" and "computer" ?
BTW I am a vampire too ^,..,^ but not just a digital
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I suck information from every possible source (just for the record I mean books, internet, conversations, experiences (of mine and others: especially of others).

[Ender]

	Originally Posted by alrightgame To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	What would it be? You can explain the action that you are making.

Liquid would flow out of my eye socket as emotion overwhelmed me.

[John F Kennedy]

Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

It is not feasible to do in this mode of communication. In addition 'proof' is what alcohol has. If you are on the top of this game, you would be looking for evidence. (There is a significantly lengthy tangent attached to the why's and wherefore's on that matter.) Remote viewing you the moment you wrote the OP would be the best evidence I can think of but that actively presumes YOU can remember EXACTLY what you surroundings were at that time. Failing that as a result of your ineptitude [;-)], would be to RV your at some pre-determined time of your choosing.

Funny enough, many of your posts sound like they come from a bot trying to human-speak. One really needs to be part of your belief system to understand what is going on.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by John F Kennedy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Funny enough, many of your posts sound like they come from a bot trying to human-speak. One really needs to be part of your belief system to understand what is going on.

hahaha, belief systems are BS, no one should have one ;-)

Either Iknow or I don't. In the latter case the farthest I can go is with a tentative conclusion. Nothing is certain in a statistical probabilistic information system such as this reality.

We all use approximations as if they were 'final' and 'out there'. A significant difference is in whether the individual has the realization that an approximation is being used, or not.

Your 'bot' characterization is funny to me, as it's an indication of how 'alien' the concepts I speak of are, to you. It actually adds some humanity, if you will, into the text.

[Kisai]

	Originally Posted by alrightgame To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	How can you prove you are not a computer in one sentence or action?

1 / 0 = 7.

[INTJRyan]

	Originally Posted by SirJamesIII To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Or even easier. Post a picture of yourself holding a piece of paper saying, "I'm not a computer alrightgame" with an arrow pointing to you.

Can't the Sims already write stuff down? This is able to overcome with sufficient computing, as are the Recaptchas. That's just OCR with weird characters.

	Originally Posted by Kisai To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	1 / 0 = 7.

Can't this be programmed around?

[ummon]

	Originally Posted by alrightgame To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	A construct incapable of learning without algorithms. The algorithm, in this case, is a defined set of mathematical rules that can be applied to a specific problem. This algorithm cannot be complex enough to solve a grand unified theory of complex thought in carbon-based lifeforms. This prevents you from beating around the bush and sending the discussion down this path.

Define a specific problem.

[Sk8ordude]

I am as much a computer as I am a determinist.

[lancelot]

The computer is a toy.

[envirodude]

Our brains are biochemical computers. Just program in some random errors if you want an electronic computer to appear human.

[John F Kennedy]

	Originally Posted by RBM To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Your 'bot' characterization is funny to me, as it's an indication of how 'alien' the concepts I speak of are, to you. It actually adds some humanity, if you will, into the text.

I'm almost 40. Nothing is really alien to me. With your case, it's a problem of deciphering meaning from broken syntax and code words. The actual concepts might be more of a potato-and-meatballs variety. But still I am glad you found it funny
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[Tactical Panda]

	Originally Posted by Steven Bukal To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The former. In the latter case I think you still can't prove absolutely that you aren't such a bot, but you can easily demonstrate that this is very improbable by typing pretty much any coherent response (even the best modern bots just use statistical natural language processing, they don't have true semantic understanding).

Fine.

That calls for a different approach.

Bots work on a script and draw from some form of input data.

A flaw with a script that draws from input data is that no matter the contingency it accounts for and data it draws from, it cannot invent its own intuitively derived objectives that respond to long term situational needs and then go about meeting them under its own power, without relying on convincing people.

I can do that.

[RBM]

	Originally Posted by John F Kennedy To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I'm almost 40. Nothing is really alien to me. With your case, it's a problem of deciphering meaning from broken syntax and code words. The actual concepts might be more of a potato-and-meatballs variety. But still I am glad you found it funny To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Really, not alien ? I'm skeptical of that.

Meaning is made from the personal subjective experience of the individual. Some aspects that contribute data to the creation of meaning include family, culture, vocations, avocations etc.

Broken syntax is all mine. INTJf is a construction site for my personal work-in-progress, if you will. Those that contact me that are at least 'in the same book', even if not 'on the same page', haven't mentioned the broken syntax as a hurdle to their understanding.

Are you implying you have no issues in your life that need work on toward improvement ?

'Code word's' is a clear synonym to 'alien', in the context of this discussion, regardless of you assertion to the contrary. Can you elaborate ? Maybe with examples?

To encapsulate and then name, for the purpose of discussion, my views related to the OP could be an acronym such as 'CIF' (Consciousness Is Fundamental).

CIF is the highest level of understanding and made up of many component parts. It's not clear to me what your 'potato-and-meatballs' characterization would apply to, under the broad context of CIF.

[Loneliness327]

Would cutting yourself open to see the organic tissues inside you be legit? (That is assuming you don't die from the process)

[Berserker]

Do you mean a program? In a way, any written program is a reflection of the person who created it. Still, I don't know if it would be an expression of articulate emotion.