[Oros Ull]

I’m definitely going to go with INFJ, at least from an emotional standpoint. We tend to try and turn the darkness in ourselves into something positive I think. Were known for being idealist and altruists because we recognize how painful the world is and aim to alleviate it. But when we go off the deep end it becomes the exact opposite and we begin to actively desire to bring as much torment to the world as we feel.

An INTJ on the other hand would likely take a more cold and methodical approach I would think. While they could do as much devastation if not more (simply because they are likely to take on a more technological means) I don't think they would resort to that genuine urge of evil as much as simply being geared more for destruction on an objective technical premise.

When you hear of an evil INTJ it’s likely because he believes destruction is going to serve some kind of cold hearted objective mechanical purpose.

When you hear of an evil INFJ it’s because they want to drink the blood of the innocent and feast on the souls of the damned.

lol

[leslissocool]

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	the infjs i know are like sunshiney flowers. they may not always feel like that on the inside, but they project warmth and openness. this is not something i project or that i notice intjs projecting.....

That's the case for me too. They radiate warmth and I absolutely refuse to melt. I don't get along with them in general, and I'm quite easy going.

the INTJ's I know are a lot more twisted, unenthusiastic and dark (mood/listen to black metal and depressing music/dark humor). I like that.

[Ghostwheel]

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	When you hear of an evil INTJ it’s likely because he believes destruction is going to serve some kind of cold hearted objective mechanical purpose. When you hear of an evil INFJ it’s because they want to drink the blood of the innocent and feast on the souls of the damned.

Interesting. I never considered that there might be evil INFJs. Usually, when a writer needs a supervillain, INTJ is the very archetype itself:

Dark INTJ: Not given over to cruelty for its own sake, merely expedient in their approach to obstacles; those who get in their way are neutralized in the most expedient manner possible.

Dark INFJ: "Some men just want to see the world burn." —Michael Caine as Alfred in Dark Knight Returns.

[Oros Ull]

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	That's the case for me too. They radiate warmth and I absolutely refuse to melt. I don't get along with them in general, and I'm quite easy going. the INTJ's I know are a lot more twisted, unenthusiastic and dark (mood/listen to black metal and depressing music/dark humor). I like that.

I have to admit of all the types INTP are the most difficult for me to relate to. Even though we are both IN the way we think is completely opposite. I take in subjective observation and aim to construct and objective abstract view from it. TP though seem to take in objective info and make it into some kind of subjective concrete system. I get along with them well enough but we always seem to have a very difficult time staying on the same page. It’s like we are both starting on opposite ends of a topic only to run smack into each other.

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Interesting. I never considered that there might be evil INFJs. Usually, when a writer needs a supervillain, INTJ is the very archetype itself: Dark INTJ: Not given over to cruelty for its own sake, merely expedient in their approach to obstacles; those who get in their way are neutralized in the most expedient manner possible. Dark INFJ: "Some men just want to see the world burn." —Michael Caine as Alfred in Dark Knight Returns.

I read somewhere that there is a breaking point with INFJs that if we are beaten down to the point where we can’t stand our regret or pain anymore that we can become intensely sadistic and manipulative to contest our more natural state. I’m trying to find the article but no luck. I read it a while ago.

I confess I’ve been in a few pretty dark situations where my optimism and humanity dried up and I had no mercy left for anything. It’s not a state of mind I’m eager to go back to. If anything it just made me prize my sanity later on once I came to. But that intense moral judging we tend to do is capable of summoning both the mercy of heaven and wrath of hell.

[leslissocool]

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I have to admit of all the types INTP are the most difficult for me to relate to. Even though we are both IN the way we think is completely opposite. I take in subjective observation and aim to construct and objective abstract view from it. TP though seem to take in objective info and make it into some kind of subjective concrete system. I get along with them well enough but we always seem to have a very difficult time staying on the same page. It’s like we are both starting on opposite ends of a topic only to run smack into each other.

I completely understand, and agree. But only on INFJ's, my ISFJ sister and I get along quite well and have similar functions. So I don't think it's a FJ/TP thing.

I know a girl and a guy who are infj's, and I do think we are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. To relate to this topic, even though they are NOT "beaten down" they are quite sadistic and manipulative (the girl mostly) so I can see how they could be "darker" emotionally.

[superflax]

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	Dark INFJ: "Some men just want to see the world burn." —Michael Caine as Alfred in Dark Knight Returns.

This quote makes it sound like some INFJs are just mean for the sake of being mean. This rarely ever is the case with any NF to be fair.

We need to be provoked to the point of no return first.

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	Originally Posted by leslissocool To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	That's the case for me too. They radiate warmth and I absolutely refuse to melt. I don't get along with them in general, and I'm quite easy going. the INTJ's I know are a lot more twisted, unenthusiastic and dark (mood/listen to black metal and depressing music/dark humor). I like that.

The person I have the best time with is an INTP. The most amazing person I know. And I love all INTPs even most on intjf.

[Disillusioned]

It depends. Darker in which way? INTJ's tend to have a more negative and nihilistic outlook on life. They take a hard realist stance for the most part and thus tend to see the world in a more negative light than the idealistic INFJ's. But INFJ's have this strong notion of wanting to see vengeful justice for wrongdoers and often take comfort in imagining situations where bad people "get what is coming to them" but that itself is sort of dark. Why should someone want bad things to happen to anyone, even if that person has wronged others?

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	Dark INTJ: Not given over to cruelty for its own sake, merely expedient in their approach to obstacles; those who get in their way are neutralized in the most expedient manner possible. Dark INFJ: "Some men just want to see the world burn." —Michael Caine as Alfred in Dark Knight Returns.

I agree with the Dark INTJ part. Often villians are portrayed as INTJ's because they can be completely cold and uncaring in the most extreme cases. This could lead to a complete lack of empathy and just acting in the way that is most efficient for their goals even if that means killing others who impede their progress. I gave the example of Sasuke being an INTJ in my
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But INTJ's wouldn't be tempted to kill just for the sake of killing or causing destruction but only for the sake of some goal.

I never thought about a jaded INFJ turned sadistic. That just sounds terrifying.

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I read somewhere that there is a breaking point with INFJs that if we are beaten down to the point where we can’t stand our regret or pain anymore that we can become intensely sadistic and manipulative to contest our more natural state. I’m trying to find the article but no luck. I read it a while ago. I confess I’ve been in a few pretty dark situations where my optimism and humanity dried up and I had no mercy left for anything. It’s not a state of mind I’m eager to go back to. If anything it just made me prize my sanity later on once I came to. But that intense moral judging we tend to do is capable of summoning both the mercy of heaven and wrath of hell.

Now that you mention it Nagato (Pain) is probably an INFJ.

[Smacknrat]

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I have to admit of all the types INTP are the most difficult for me to relate to. Even though we are both IN the way we think is completely opposite. I take in subjective observation and aim to construct and objective abstract view from it. TP though seem to take in objective info and make it into some kind of subjective concrete system. I get along with them well enough but we always seem to have a very difficult time staying on the same page. It’s like we are both starting on opposite ends of a topic only to run smack into each other. I read somewhere that there is a breaking point with INFJs that if we are beaten down to the point where we can’t stand our regret or pain anymore that we can become intensely sadistic and manipulative to contest our more natural state. I’m trying to find the article but no luck. I read it a while ago. I confess I’ve been in a few pretty dark situations where my optimism and humanity dried up and I had no mercy left for anything. It’s not a state of mind I’m eager to go back to. If anything it just made me prize my sanity later on once I came to. But that intense moral judging we tend to do is capable of summoning both the mercy of heaven and wrath of hell.

My vote is on INFJ, but I have no reason or good idea why. Just an impression from the few I've met.


Dark INTJ - Ra's Al Gul (sp?)


An INFJ's child function dictates that life make sense. INTPs excel at this (this is their primary function in life if nothing else). If there any shared value, it's that an INTP can validate an INFJ's world view and goals while an INFJ can make an INTP feel like the biggest pimp in the world by being a playboy/girl (loved) and making short work of satisfying the horrendous task of being ethical and harmonious.

That said, Ni is a critical parent to the INTP (which might actually lead to getting something done!). Such conclusions! While the INTP's Ne (in the opposing hero role for the INFJ), I imagine, would be the first to make a move against an INFJ's ego. The result being a frustration by the INFJ with so much explanation of the world and so few challenges accepted.

Half experience and half speculation.

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On Introverted Intuitives:
"One of the typical patterns that we share is withdrawal from the world and from people who upset us. This pattern can cause us extreme suffering, including isolation, depression, and feelings of worthlessness and being misunderstood"

On defining qualities of NFs (INFJ in this case):
"Deals with thinking by: Indexing facts by associating feelings and accessing them that way. The structure of feelings become the theory. Large portions of reality may be invented."

INTP:
"Deals with feelings by: Hiding and putting it away in writing. Go away."

It should be noted that the chart also breaks down the INFJ under stress (plots revenge) and that the stress reduction tool should be to limit nastiest impulses to thoughts or journals.

This is in contrast to INTJ. Stress behavior is hides, *broods*, loose-cannon decisions with the stress reduction being the consult of others.

So.... that (about INFJs) scares the hell outta me.