[larkin]

Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Hitting a point in debt where that debt can no longer be serviced is a little clue there that it's inevitable it's going to get downgraded. When liberal neanderthals can only think to drone about acting like we need more debt to address the problem of too much debt, well, there's another clue right there how seriously detached from reality such people really are. [...] In summary: You and your ilk are attempting to prop up a Ponzi scheme, and expecting others to compromise and go along with it. No thanks. Better that the ballooning debt get downgraded, interest rates go up, and this BS schrade be ended before it gets any more worse than it already is. It's about time. The credit agencies should have downgraded a long time ago.

Here's reality: we can pay off our debt. But if you don't think we can, why do you bother to pathetically whinge about how only the good and righteous conservatives care about doing so? Especially when if they're anything like you, they don't? They think the only way to "pay off our debts" is to put us into bankruptcy, post haste. News flash - bankruptcy is not the same as paying off your debts, and claiming that it is is a mockery of actual fiscal conservatism. As per usual.

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The conservative position is that we would have conservative levels of debt or, preferably, not have any debt at all.

Well, if that were their position, maybe they shouldn't have FUCKING OBLIGATED US TO TWO DISASTROUS WARS without budgeting for it ever. Or given the largest entitlement to seniors since social security came into existence. Or given giant tax breaks to the richest one percent while busy cratering the economy.

Real fiscal conservatism suggests the time to control spending is before you spend, not when the bills comes due. That position is not "cutting down on debt," it's more like "skipping out on the check." Almost exactly like it, actually. That's what you're advocating. What a fucking joke to claim it's anything like responsibility.

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	We should hardly be following the liberal lemmings kowtowing to the whims of agencies that rate that debt.

Just when I think the bullshit can't get any worse, you've added credit agencies to things we should ignore completely. Doesn't fit into your worldview? (See: media, science, academia?) No problem! Just like the election, we can ignore it until it goes away.

[Arcanist]

The best thing is that this country will fail no matter what you people do. Cut, don't cut, it doesn't matter at the end! Once the world tires of merica, it's done! I'm just waiting for the day when people start dumping dollars as the reserve currency.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The best thing is that this country will fail no matter what you people do. Cut, don't cut, it doesn't matter at the end! Once the world tires of merica, it's done! I'm just waiting for the day when people start dumping dollars as the reserve currency.

Charming and oh-so-conservative.

[Arcanist]

I'm not a conservative. Don't dump me in with those people.

I'm actually on your team. Why oppose when the quickest way to death-rebirth is to allow you to do exactly as you wish.

[INTroJect]

Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Here's reality: we can pay off our debt. But if you don't think we can, why do you bother to pathetically whinge about how only the good and righteous conservatives care about doing so? Especially when if they're anything like you, they don't? They think the only way to "pay off our debts" is to put us into bankruptcy, post haste. News flash - bankruptcy is not the same as paying off your debts, and claiming that it is is a mockery of actual fiscal conservatism. As per usual.

Oah I think we can pay the debt off, however...

Here is a bit of real reality: Good luck paying it off with a trillion+ deficit.

Originally Posted by larkin

Well, if that were their position, maybe they shouldn't have FUCKING OBLIGATED US TO TWO DISASTROUS WARS without budgeting for it ever. Or given the largest entitlement to seniors since social security came into existence. Or given giant tax breaks to the richest one percent while busy cratering the economy. Real fiscal conservatism suggests the time to control spending is before you spend, not when the bills comes due. That position is not "cutting down on debt," it's more like "skipping out on the check." Almost exactly like it, actually. That's what you're advocating. What a fucking joke to claim it's anything like responsibility.

Uhhh, yeah. You are only proving that the Bush years are just as equally liberal as the Obama years. Thanks for admitting that.

	Originally Posted by larkin
	Just when I think the bullshit can't get any worse, you've added credit agencies to things we should ignore completely. Doesn't fit into your worldview? (See: media, science, academia?) No problem! Just like the election, we can ignore it until it goes away.

If a nation has conservative levels of debt, or better, no debt at all, of course the credit agencies should be completely ignored, as there would be nothing to rate. This is a far better option than selling the country out while making a sport racking up as much debt as possible, then suddenly when members of the nation are not interested in going along with the typical liberal ponzi scheme, scapegoat them. Nothing new here about these cheap tactics at all.

[larkin]

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I think we can pay off the debt...

Either you think the debt is inevitable and we should default, or think we need to try to pay our debts and stop advocating doing dumbfuck things that make the debt worse. Or, if consistency isn't a strong suit, you claim both and then deploy the "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense.

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Here is a bit of real reality: Good luck paying it off with a trillion+ deficit.

Again, reality: downgrades make it worse. You are making it worse.

More reality: the two primary drivers of debt are demographics (from entitlement programs) and the economy. If the economy is bad, there's a deficit. When it's good, there can be a surplus. With the exact same levels of discretionary spending. Which should make obvious two things - we need to reduce unemployment and fix entitlement programs. Solutions you seem utterly uninterested in, if it costs you one more thin dime now. Madness.

	Originally Posted by INTroJect To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Uhhh, yeah. You are only proving that the Bush years are just as equally liberal as the Obama years. Thanks for admitting that.

What a pathetic excuse for constantly placing blame on everyone else while offering zero solutions, short of bankruptcy. Here's the truth of your position on "Bush spending" (totally not conservative, right? I won't play such a silly game of no true scotsman) - You're in favor of skipping out on the check now.

That's all anyone ever need know about what you think constitutes fiscal conservatism.

[INTroJect]

	Originally Posted by larkin To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Either you think the debt is inevitable and we should default, or think we need to try to pay our debts and stop advocating doing dumbfuck things that make the debt worse. Or, if consistency isn't a strong suit, you claim both and then deploy the "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense.

Or, option D, I think that debt growing exponentially faster than the economy will inevitably default.

Originally Posted by larkin

Again, reality: downgrades make it worse. You are making it worse. More reality: the two primary drivers of debt are demographics (from entitlement programs) and the economy. If the economy is bad, there's a deficit. When it's good, there can be a surplus. With the exact same levels of discretionary spending. Which should make obvious two things - we need to reduce unemployment and fix entitlement programs. Solutions you seem utterly uninterested in, if it costs you one more thin dime now. Madness.

Real reality: There is no debt to downgrade when there is no debt.

	Originally Posted by larkin
	What a pathetic excuse for constantly placing blame on everyone else while offering zero solutions, short of bankruptcy. Here's the truth of your position on "Bush spending" (totally not conservative, right? I won't play such a silly game of no true scotsman) - You're in favor of skipping out on the check now. That's all anyone ever need know about what you think constitutes fiscal conservatism.

Zero solution? What part about not taking part in the typical liberal ponzi scheme and cutting spending looks like a "zero solution" to you?