[jawa]

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Someone linked me the above video a while back and it completely changed my view on Israel. Most of the things said here that I cared to research have turned up accurate. It's quite disheartening to find that Israel is the love child of America and Nazi Germany, consuming 1/5 of our foreign aid among countless other resources like military planes and weaponry.

And to top it off, the biggest opponents to Israel's Zionism are Orthodox Rabbis. Really says a lot about the politics behind modern day Israel.

[Ghostwheel]

Just some random thoughts on this:

1) Even though the Rothschilds are banking's most famous family, the modern day fiat banking system is by no means restricted to Jews, and in fact the originator of the Bank of England in 1694 was a Scotsman. International finance has both Jewish and non-Jewish practitioners, and these people have far more in common with each other than their fellow non-superrich Jews and Christians

2) Judaism and Zionism are two different things, although most American Jews, like most Americans themselves, are media-hypnotized zombies who've never given this a thought, and as a result, buy into the media equation that Judaism=Zionism. They are totally unaware of the sufferings of the Palestinians, for example. With all the constant media babble about Israel being "the only democracy in the Mid-East" very few Americans—Jew and non-Jew alike—understand that Israel is an apartheid settler state based upon theft and ethnic cleansing.

3) The Chomskian view of Israel is that it is a tool of American imperialism, essentially a land-based aircraft carrier for projecting force into the Mid-East. The historical incident of the USS Liberty was in fact given the go ahead by LBJ so that he could have US forces retake the Suez Canal. The plan didn't work, but that's an example of the US and Israel using each other to mutual benefit. Of course, with the prominence Lobby, many critics of Israel feel the balance has shifted to Israel's favor.

[OwenF]

Ah, yes. David Icke. But you're getting distracted by the Zionist thing. It's not the pro-Israel Jews who are really running things!

From the Wikipedia article on Icke:

Icke introduced the reptoid hypothesis in The Biggest Secret (1999), which identified the Brotherhood as descendents of reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. He argues that the reptilians are the race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enûma Eliš. According to Barkun, Icke's idea of "inner-earth reptilians" is not new, though he has done more than most to expand it.

Lewis and Kahn write that Icke has taken his "ancient astronaut" narrative from the Israeli-American writer, Zecharia Sitchin, who argued—for example in Divine Encounters (1995)—that the Anunnaki had come to Earth for its precious metals. Icke argues that they came specifically for "monoatomic gold," a mineral he says can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousandfold. After ingesting it, the reptilians can process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form. They use human fear, guilt, and aggression as energy. "Thus we have the encouragement of wars," he wrote in 1999, "human genocide, the mass slaughter of animals, sexual perversions which create highly charged negative energy, and black magic ritual and sacrifice which takes place on a scale that will stagger those who have not studied the subject." Lewis and Kahn argue that Icke is using allegory to depict the alien, and alienating, nature of global capitalism.

Icke writes that the Anunnaki have crossbred with human beings, the breeding lines chosen for political reasons, arguing that they are the Watchers, the fallen angels, or "Grigori," who mated with human women in the Biblical apocrypha. Their first reptilian-human hybrid, possibly Adam, was created 200,000–300,000 years ago. There was a second breeding program 30,000 years ago, and a third 7,000 years ago. It is the half-bloods of the third breeding program who today control the world, more Anunnaki than human, he writes. They have a powerful, hypnotic stare, the origin of the phrase to "give someone the evil eye," and their hybrid DNA allows them to shapeshift when they consume human blood.

In Children of the Matrix (2001), he added that the Anunnaki bred with another extraterrestrial race called the "Nordics," who had blond hair and blue eyes, to produce a race of human slave masters, the Aryans. The Aryans retain many reptilian traits, including cold-blooded attitudes, a desire for top-down control, and an obsession with ritual, lending them a tendency toward fascism, rationalism, and racism. Lewis and Kahn write that, with the Nordic hypothesis, Icke is mirroring standard claims by the far right that the Aryan bloodline has ruled the Earth throughout history.

Don't focus on the Jews. It's the lizard people you really have to watch out for.

The lizard people from outer space.

[Shoshana]

haha! I didn't realize it was David Icke. I think this guy has made millions milking people's paranoid fantasies. I guess it's a viable market! I'm in the wrong business!

[Nemesis]

	Originally Posted by OwenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	The lizard people from outer space.

I'll bet they introduced transistors! This is the New World Order!

It all makes sense now. We are through the looking glass, gentlemen.

[jawa]

Originally Posted by Ghostwheel To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Just some random thoughts on this: 1) Even though the Rothschilds are banking's most famous family, the modern day fiat banking system is by no means restricted to Jews, and in fact the originator of the Bank of England in 1694 was a Scotsman. International finance has both Jewish and non-Jewish practitioners, and these people have far more in common with each other than their fellow non-superrich Jews and Christians 2) Judaism and Zionism are two different things, although most American Jews, like most Americans themselves, are media-hypnotized zombies who've never given this a thought, and as a result, buy into the media equation that Judaism=Zionism. They are totally unaware of the sufferings of the Palestinians, for example. With all the constant media babble about Israel being "the only democracy in the Mid-East" very few Americans—Jew and non-Jew alike—understand that Israel is an apartheid settler state based upon theft and ethnic cleansing. 3) The Chomskian view of Israel is that it is a tool of American imperialism, essentially a land-based aircraft carrier for projecting force into the Mid-East. The historical incident of the USS Liberty was in fact given the go ahead by LBJ so that he could have US forces retake the Suez Canal. The plan didn't work, but that's an example of the US and Israel using each other to mutual benefit. Of course, with the prominence Lobby, many critics of Israel feel the balance has shifted to Israel's favor.

Your second point is especially important to this. Zionism is Jewish supremacy for the most part, and is allowed and readily accepted by Americans out of some post-Nazi guilt. As I said earlier, it's the Orthodox Rabbis that are most against Zionism. With this being the case, do people not realize that, perhaps, Zionism goes against the entire Jewish tradition and culture? The media and our own Zionist-influenced government are pushing for civilian support of this new fascism that preys on innocent Palestinians all in the name of some ancient religious text that says they own the greater part of the Middle East. America has funded this and will continue to fund this.

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^ this is absolutely scary in my opinion. It's not just bullying Palestinians, but many other bordering countries. While I can't say the countries they intend to conquer are the best at respecting human rights, it just seems like a terrible idea to have one super country that entirely leeches off of US tax dollars.

[KonTiki]

It appears that being a "Rothchild Zionist" is a good career move.

[OwenF]

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[Autumnleaf]

About the Ike's lizard theory, per Alex Jones.


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[Nemesis]

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Crazy person calling another crazy person crazy. It's not the lizard people, it's a global satanist conspiracy. Of course!

Still... where did those transistors come from?

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by Nemesis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Crazy person calling another crazy person crazy. It's not the lizard people, it's a global satanist conspiracy. Of course! Still... where did those transistors come from?

Its only crazy if there are no conspiracies. What makes you think people stopped engaging in conspiracies?

[Nemesis]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Its only crazy if there are no conspiracies.

It's gotta be alien reptiles or satanists. Okay, you're right. That's perfectly reasonable.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by Nemesis To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It's gotta be alien reptiles or satanists. Okay, you're right. That's perfectly reasonable.

He was talking about Zionists. I guess its easier to derail a thread by beating up strawmen you bring to it.

[nowt]

Sounds like a conspiracy. Jew, Satanist or Lizard?--

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	He was talking about Zionists. I guess its easier to derail a thread by beating up strawmen you bring to it.

God help the American way if it is all three.

[Nemesis]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	He was talking about Zionists. I guess its easier to derail a thread by beating up strawmen you bring to it.

No. Jones clearly drags up satanism in that clip (4:49). I used to listen to Alex Jones for yucks, and he pretty firmly believes that evil devil worshippers are running the show.

But, you can connect dots however you'd like. That is the essence of this nonsense, anyways.

[Shoshana]

So is there a DNA marker for a lizard gene? I extracted some of my DNA and am looking around for a powerful microscope. But I just need to know what to look for!
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[OwenF]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I guess its easier to derail a thread by beating up strawmen you bring to it.

Nemesis didn't bring David Icke into the thread.

And it's not a strawman issue. It's a lizardman issue.

[Autumnleaf]

	Originally Posted by OwenF To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Nemesis didn't bring David Icke into the thread. And it's not a strawman issue. It's a lizardman issue.

According to the OP its a Nazi Zionist issue. Is that not enough? Maybe Lizardmen should be added to the Godwin rule.

[OwenF]

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	According to the OP its a Nazi Zionist issue. Is that not enough?

The credibility of the source being used to make the claims about Zionism was called into question--on account of the source being utterly goddamned insane.

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	Maybe Lizardmen should be added to the Godwin rule.

Are we doing syntactically sound nonsense now? Awesome!

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Upon nibbling harpsichords, washerwomanly gerunds forfeit Icelandic swan lawns. Aspirin lawyer flutters with holograms!

[Vagrant]

	2) Judaism and Zionism are two different things, although most American Jews, like most Americans themselves, are media-hypnotized zombies who've never given this a thought

I happen to be Jewish, and I've always known Zionism was not the same as Judaism...? Do you happen to have a view inside hundreds of American Jewish peoples' heads?

	They are totally unaware of the sufferings of the Palestinians, for example. With all the constant media babble about Israel being "the only democracy in the Mid-East" very few Americans—Jew and non-Jew alike—

American Jews tend to be more acutely aware of it than your standard American. Why? Because the world judges us for what happens there. You'll find many rabbis are well-informed of the situation in Palestine, and many American Jews are opposed to the actions undertaken by the Israeli government.

[Ghostwheel]

	Originally Posted by Vagrant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I happen to be Jewish, and I've always known Zionism was not the same as Judaism...? Do you happen to have a view inside hundreds of American Jewish peoples' heads?

Good point, no, I'm not a telepath.

	Originally Posted by Vagrant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	American Jews tend to be more acutely aware of it than your standard American. Why? Because the world judges us for what happens there. You'll find many rabbis are well-informed of the situation in Palestine, and many American Jews are opposed to the actions undertaken by the Israeli government.

Good news if true. The prominence of AIPAC in American politics makes me doubt this, however. If American Jews are aware of it and still support AIPAC and other pro-Likud, neoconservative lobbies, then it looks like they're very much responsible for what happens in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel couldn't get away with this without US support. That support comes from the power of the Israeli Lobby in Congress.

In fact though, most Jews still appear to me to be very left-leaning, peace-minded individuals. Ergo my conclusion that they're largely ignorant of the suffering of the Palestinians. I like to think that if American Jews weren't ignorant of it, that American political intransigence on this issue would vanish overnight.

I'm aware there are Jewish peace factions in Israel, where the Palestinian situation is openly debated, but Jewish-American peace factions such as "J-Street" seem to pale in significance compared to AIPAC and other such lobbies. The question is raised then: why is this so if so many American Jews are well-informed of the situation?

[Vagrant]

	The question is raised then: why is this so if so many American Jews are well-informed of the situation?

Not all American Jews are so well-informed. They're just more likely to be better informed.

Not to mention, most of us don't take active roles in fighting the problem. That's where we're still American zombies. Additionally, it would be a hard fight to convince the US government to put significant political pressure on its giant airstrip/refueling station/foot in the Middle East. Many Americans who AREN'T informed of the issue are inclined to believe whatever they hear of the scenario.

I honestly see most of the problem as being rooted in history and colonialism. Solving it will require cooperation of all nations involved, which I don't see happening in the immediate future -- with Israel being paranoid as hell, willing to make preemptive strikes, and the other side being almost just as paranoid, displaying
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they believe to be true about Israel and Jews (and fighting based on them). There are indications that this will change within the next decade or so though. Hopefully both sides will be able to reconcile without external intervention (which caused this whole mess in the first place).

[Shoshana]

Originally Posted by Vagrant To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Not all American Jews are so well-informed. They're just more likely to be better informed. Not to mention, most of us don't take active roles in fighting the problem. That's where we're still American zombies. Additionally, it would be a hard fight to convince the US government to put significant political pressure on its giant airstrip/refueling station/foot in the Middle East. Many Americans who AREN'T informed of the issue are inclined to believe whatever they hear of the scenario. I honestly see most of the problem as being rooted in history and colonialism. Solving it will require cooperation of all nations involved, which I don't see happening in the immediate future -- with Israel being paranoid as hell, willing to make preemptive strikes, and the other side being almost just as paranoid, displaying To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. they believe to be true about Israel and Jews (and fighting based on them). There are indications that this will change within the next decade or so though. Hopefully both sides will be able to reconcile without external intervention (which caused this whole mess in the first place).

Finally, a voice of reason. The only thing I disagree with is the Arabs being slightly less paranoid than the Israelis. They're just as paranoid.

And agreed, Zionism was started by a bunch of left-wing secular Jews who borrowed ideas from the nationalist movements that were springing up all over Europe--and no one gave a damn about a Jewish state until European Jewry was nearly decimated.

[simple mind]

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	haha! I didn't realize it was David Icke. I think this guy has made millions milking people's paranoid fantasies. I guess it's a viable market! I'm in the wrong business!

Why should you say something like that if anybody can down load his writings for free on the Internet?
Sometimes to read "ridiculouse" things gives one a broader understanding of the Human Race.