[Income]

Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

hypothetically (and i'm just asking because it's not like Sweden needs my skills anyway): if i wanted to assimilate, to be respectful to my new country, and move out of the ghettos and live side-by-side, how would the native Swedes react to that? would they be nice? would they treat me differently anyway? would they push me back into the immigrant ghetto? when i'm in the US, i get treated equally, like any other Asian-American despite my citizenship anyway. i feel like in certain European countries, unless i'm married to a national, i will never be able to accepted. and that bothers me, because i am who i am with or without a local spouse. meh. this is depressing.

Personally I would push you back into the immigrant ghetto, we don't want your kind here. Just kidding, you would be accepted by most people. It must be hell to think that everybody hates you, I would try to change my view or move.

[Nazareth]

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	now what's life like in Russia? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

There are many native Asian peoples in Russia, who have their own language, customs, heritage and history, I think you will fit in just fine. Having said that, I do not really like venturing out of the big cities too much, people in the country side are a bit old fashioned and I like it Cosmopolitan. Also, Moscow has the feel of a Nordic city I think only it is much, much more populated, plus it has a German twist to it. You seem like you like to travel just like any other sane person, which is very good, just be aware that there are local customs that need to be respected where ever you are in the world and also keep in mind that the world can be a dangerous place sometimes.

[peppersasen]

	Originally Posted by Nazareth To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Also, Moscow has the feel of a Nordic city I think only it is much, much more populated, plus it has a German twist to it. You seem like you like to travel just like any other sane person, which is very good, just be aware that there are local customs that need to be respected where ever you are in the world and also keep in mind that the world can be a dangerous place sometimes.

thank you for the advice.
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i'll be careful and i handle Russian vodka like a MAAAAAN! before that i've only had mixed drinks (pre-bottled 5%) and Absolut. actually i was thinking more like St. Petersburg, not Moscow (i'm sorry people, i said "not Russia" but i really meant to say "Moscow", it was late after a long day at work and my brain wasn't functioning properly... i didn't mean to confuse you and sound like a ditzy bimbo). i have a pretty Ukranian friend from there, but she doesn't live there anymore. what kind of rules should i respect when i'm in Russia? i've been to a Russian Orthodox mass for January 7 in Geneva before. i know you're supposed to dress decently and wear a scarf over my head, but that's all i know.

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i just don't know what kind of job i would work in Russia, though. now if i moved to an LDC, i would have an idea what to do... but i want US/EU citizenship instead.

[Nazareth]

Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

thank you for the advice. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. i'll be careful and i handle Russian vodka like a MAAAAAN! before that i've only had mixed drinks (pre-bottled 5%) and Absolut. actually i was thinking more like St. Petersburg, not Russia. i have a pretty Ukranian friend from there, but she doesn't live there anymore. what kind of rules should i respect when i'm in Russia? i've been to a Russian Othodox mass for January 7 in Geneva before. i know you're supposed to dress decently and wear a scarf over my head, but that's all i know.

Last time I checked St. Petersburg was in Russia. Depends what is it that you are going to be doing in the city, if it is taking in the sights, just look out for scams and if you can it would be wiser to have a private guide that is offered by the hotel, if that is an option. The public transportation is pretty safe, just don't hail cab's because they tend to over charge tourists. If you are there for business than, I would get an interpreter who knows his/her way around the city. Also, if you are working with foreign companies be aware that Russia is very corrupt and you might have to bribe some officials to get things moving...

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i just don't know what kind of job i would work in Russia, though. now if i moved to an LDC, i would have an idea what to do... but i want US/EU citizenship instead.

Are you not a citizen of the Netherlands?

[Antares]

Good thread. I'm a Hong Kong citizen (read: I have a British Overseas Passport but have no citizen rights. I have a "Hong Kong SAR" passport issued by China but am treated as a non-Chinese) and I'm tired of this half-assed limbo status. I was educated in an American school and I'm currently attending college there but they make immigration a pain in the ass (and clearly don't want people like me) so America's out, and I know next to nothing about Britain to even try for a British passport. I'm considering Canada or Australia, just like the over 9000 over Cantonese citizens.

[Urshulgi]

Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

thank you for the advice. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. i'll be careful and i handle Russian vodka like a MAAAAAN! before that i've only had mixed drinks (pre-bottled 5%) and Absolut. actually i was thinking more like St. Petersburg, not Russia. i have a pretty Ukranian friend from there, but she doesn't live there anymore. what kind of rules should i respect when i'm in Russia? i've been to a Russian Othodox mass for January 7 in Geneva before. i know you're supposed to dress decently and wear a scarf over my head, but that's all i know. ---------- Post added 06-26-2012 at 03:04 PM ---------- i just don't know what kind of job i would work in Russia, though. now if i moved to an LDC, i would have an idea what to do... but i want US/EU citizenship instead.

Russia, even Moscow, is a different animal from Europe. (I've lived here over a year and a half)

If you're an educated, cool, and attractive Asian girl though, you'll probably do okay here. If you can't find a Russian guy that interests you, there are lots of expats. Just watch out for the yellow fever expats, because they're just fucking creepy.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by peppersasen To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	i really wanted to move to Francophone Canada. my brother lives in the West Coast.

Yeah, well, it's a particular culture. It's a fairly young and uneducated society (according to 2006 government stats, 47% of the population has, at the most, a non-specialized high school diploma) that's still struggling to find its identity and has some sort of victim mentality from having been bossed around by the anglos for so long. However, the younger generation is more educated and more self-assured, and its members are able to integrate aspects of other cultures without losing their sense of identity, so things might be changing for the better.

well, you don't have to change citizenship just yet, do you? you start off by living as an expat first to see how you like it. choosing countries for emigrating isn't something done without much thought (unless you're escaping a bad regime/government). i certainly would NOT want to move to a country, only to realize two years later that the native population treat me in certain ways that would make me uncomfortable. and THEN move again. test the waters.

I totally agree, but I wouldn't want to go there without first being able to speak Portuguese so I can interact with the locals. But why bother to learn Portuguese if I'm not sure I'll want to stay? That's why I'd like to get some idea about all that before doing anything else.

[Coxswain]

	Originally Posted by Nazareth To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Last time I checked St. Petersburg was in Russia.

Umm... used to belong to Sweden until 1703 when Peter decided to grab it. With the help of Danes, Norwegians, Poles, Lithuanians and Saxons of course. Isn't Europe just grand when it comes to alliances
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	I'm a French Canadian living in Quebec, Canada. I would potentially like to move ....

Jack Kerouac needs a followup act
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[shunch]

	Originally Posted by Still Standing To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I would potentially like to move to a place that is more people/family oriented and less money and US-culture oriented (and less dependent on the US economy). But then again, I wouldn't want to sacrifice the safety and freedoms that I experience here, so it's a difficult choice to make.

Okay. Brazil is not for you then. As a Canadian you may want to try Costa Rica, Surinam, Chile but I would really recommend Argentina. But eventually, you will return to Quebec. It's a good place.

[Still Standing]

	Originally Posted by shunch To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	but I would really recommend Argentina.

Yes, I went twice. Despised Buenos Aires (in 2008) but loved the Northwest (this was my favorite trip of all, in 2009). Their "vos" and their double Ls pronounced like Js (which I now realize makes their variety of Spanish similar to the Portuguese language), that's pretty cool, and so are the people outside the capital. I had a barbecue with a family in Mendoza (I met the lady on a plane when I came back home from Buenos Aires in 2008, and she invited me) and went hiking alone with a cool guide around some little villages in the mountains north of Salta, and met some people living there.

Yeah, you're right. If I do manage to get myself a viable online business, I could probably go back there and stay longer than 3 weeks (like I did in 2009) to see if the place grows on me.

	Originally Posted by shunch To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	But eventually, you will return to Quebec. It's a good place.

Agreed. We miss "home" when we realize all that we've been taking for granted.

[shunch]

^ Mar del Plata at the other extreme. You'll like it. Aires not so buenos
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[Nazareth]

	Originally Posted by Coxswain To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Umm... used to belong to Sweden until 1703 when Peter decided to grab it. With the help of Danes, Norwegians, Poles, Lithuanians and Saxons of course. Isn't Europe just grand when it comes to alliances To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yeah, key word "used to", anyway in order to get new idea's and products from Europe we need Sweden's and Germany's approval in the Baltic anyway, so I guess St. Pete is really a Nordic/Baltic city if you think about it...

[ModernLit]

just posting this because it's funny. don't try to get into canada without money. you could become blacklisted like john green was for "insufficient funds" lol
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[thod]

If you can get into one country in Europe, you can then go where you please. Thus search for the one with the weakest controls. This is likely to be one of the poorer countries since they know that any immigrants will immediately leave for a rich country.

[blackboard]

Anybody know how difficult it would be for an American citizen to live long term (say, a few years) in Europe, if one is not really interested in working (has enough money already), but only wants to live there?