[babsa]

Originally Posted by ImINFJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This is what the wars are really about.... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. that and the fact that it's hard for the military to get promoted in peacetime....they need wars to kill of the competition for their promotions. People who love a military career MAY love an excuse for murder and mayhem, blowing things up, etc., so they want a war in order to freely exercise their violent natures without fear of going to jail. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Yes! Every military member joined to kill kill kill OORAHH! Post dramatic stress disorder AND a paycheck for killing people? That sounds like a sweet deal!

[Subgenius]

Originally Posted by NiTe Visor To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Everything would be better without military. No fear of impending nuclear war, no money spent on bullshit. The politicians are too nearsighted to understand the benefit of funding scientific research, NASA and education. Well, they don't have interest in educating us anyway. There's gotta be a revolution coming in the next 20 years. Has to be. They're definitely there for oil and probably the opium too. I mean, okay...we need military for obvious reasons. We need protection but we don't need to go meddling around in other countries' affairs or invading any of them at all. The military budget is over $700 billion a year. Ridiculous. 2nd place is China at $150 billion and they have 5 times as many people. I understand the fear to deplete funding because we've pissed off so many countries, but let's get realistic.

Let's get realistic. Sure.
What are these obvious reasons you are talking about needing a military? So we can defend ourselves? Didn't help with 911, even though that was kind of a mistake because of our intelligence community, but when was the last time a foreign military power entered the continental US? It's been awhile. Are you saying we should just have troops in the States and on our bordering oceans? Because that would be massively expensive too. The majority of that money budgeted to the military goes to the Navy who control the oceans totally and makes sure you can wear the clothes on your back and get the parts for your computer that you are typing on. If you want to be a luddite or go back to colonial era conditions, good luck.

[Fecal McAngry]

	Originally Posted by Autumnleaf To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Is it what we have to do to fight terror? Gotta terrify smaller countries so we can feel safe? Are we only in it for the oil? Are we there to install central banks for our owners who want a larger piece of the world pie? Why are American combat boots still on the ground in the Middle East?

Three reasons:
1) MONEY
2) MONEY
3) MONEY


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[Ghostwheel]

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Peasants don't have interests in those regions but the political and moneyed elite do which is why I find this "we" business odd. However, the Peasant gets the honor of fueling the effort both physically and monetarily.

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	"We" alludes to the world as a whole.

As I read it, "we" refers to any American politician making a speech that addresses the nation as a whole. Said politicians use "we" as a rhetorical device to corral all Americans into one group whose interests are assumed to be the same. This also applies to media figures when they refer to "American interests" geopolitically as "our interests."

Such interests—such as who owns a particular oil field or which currency is in use—may be a concern for Exxon or Goldman Sachs, but not the average man. And yet, it is the average man who is expected to fight for those interests.

	Originally Posted by babsa To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	It seems to be a common theme in your posts that the world will turn into magical fairy land if all the evil governments no longer had a military force.

In this particular post, however, there is a weaker interpretation: that the governments of the world should restrict their militaries to legitimate self-defense rather than imperial domination in the service of a financial elite.

[murazar]

Originally Posted by Subgenius To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Let's get realistic. Sure. What are these obvious reasons you are talking about needing a military? So we can defend ourselves? Didn't help with 911, even though that was kind of a mistake because of our intelligence community, but when was the last time a foreign military power entered the continental US? It's been awhile. Are you saying we should just have troops in the States and on our bordering oceans? Because that would be massively expensive too. The majority of that money budgeted to the military goes to the Navy who control the oceans totally and makes sure you can wear the clothes on your back and get the parts for your computer that you are typing on. If you want to be a luddite or go back to colonial era conditions, good luck.

I just want to clarify that the intelligence community was being dismantled brick by brick, operative by operative long before 911 by the politicians and their rival agencies. Its only just now starting to build back up and even then, gradually. Otherwise, you are correct.

Originally Posted by ImINFJ To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

This is what the wars are really about.... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. that and the fact that it's hard for the military to get promoted in peacetime....they need wars to kill of the competition for their promotions. People who love a military career MAY love an excuse for murder and mayhem, blowing things up, etc., so they want a war in order to freely exercise their violent natures without fear of going to jail. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

The majority of the military, over 90% dont ever see combat. Let alone the fact that theres Standard Operating Procedures, Escalation of Force procedures among other factors that control combat and killing someone. Dont use a catch-all on those in the military as if you know exactly what its all about. Unless you've been in it or actually bothered to study it through the people that are in it. You are only judging you opinions on internet topics written by other biased individuals and your own non-existing experience with the military.

	Originally Posted by Arcanist To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Never claimed that. ---------- Post added 06-19-2012 at 08:40 PM ---------- Statement is too stupid to address. No one claimed a conspiracy, merely the interactions of politicians in the pursuit of their own individual self interest in a government setting.

Many of your posts state a catch-all opinion on the military and leave it at that with absolutely no explanation. Please explain your opinions more clearly or it just seems you're an ignorant person who is fearful that his opinions are incorrect and that you dont wish to be proven wrong.

[NiTe Visor]

Originally Posted by Subgenius To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Let's get realistic. Sure. What are these obvious reasons you are talking about needing a military? So we can defend ourselves? Didn't help with 911, even though that was kind of a mistake because of our intelligence community, but when was the last time a foreign military power entered the continental US? It's been awhile. Are you saying we should just have troops in the States and on our bordering oceans? Because that would be massively expensive too. The majority of that money budgeted to the military goes to the Navy who control the oceans totally and makes sure you can wear the clothes on your back and get the parts for your computer that you are typing on. If you want to be a luddite or go back to colonial era conditions, good luck.

You need a military just to have one. If we don't have one, we're fucked. We need to maintain, but we don't need to spend half as much as we are.

[pironiro]

	Originally Posted by zibber To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Just money and Israel.

fixt

[Polymath20]

1) ME became a hotbed of strife during old English (as in UK) imperialism. (19th and early 20th century)
2) Later on, the ME became the scene of a proxy war between emerging super powers. (mid 20th century)
3) Then the West ran out of it's own oil - I'm sure politicians and geologists knew it was coming (late 20th century)

[Tristan]

Some absurd percentage of the world's energy is controlled by fanatical desert madmen. Even if the US does not buy much oil from the Middle East, Ahmadinejad & Friends still inform its price. You can say all you want about how these middle east wars are testosterone or "just money," but energy is nothing less than life itself now.

[Polymath20]

	Originally Posted by Tristan To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Some absurd percentage of the world's energy is controlled by fanatical desert madmen. Even if the US does not buy much oil from the Middle East, Ahmadinejad & Friends still inform its price. You can say all you want about how these middle east wars are testosterone or "just money," but energy is nothing less than life itself now.

Yes. There's a slogan I've seen - "Renewable energy is Homeland Security". But certain political players don't seem to care or understand this.

[Subgenius]

Originally Posted by murazar To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I just want to clarify that the intelligence community was being dismantled brick by brick, operative by operative long before 911 by the politicians and their rival agencies. Its only just now starting to build back up and even then, gradually. Otherwise, you are correct. The majority of the military, over 90% dont ever see combat. Let alone the fact that theres Standard Operating Procedures, Escalation of Force procedures among other factors that control combat and killing someone. Dont use a catch-all on those in the military as if you know exactly what its all about. Unless you've been in it or actually bothered to study it through the people that are in it. You are only judging you opinions on internet topics written by other biased individuals and your own non-existing experience with the military. Many of your posts state a catch-all opinion on the military and leave it at that with absolutely no explanation. Please explain your opinions more clearly or it just seems you're an ignorant person who is fearful that his opinions are incorrect and that you dont wish to be proven wrong.

Yes-ish. I am talking about how we actually trained the people that did 911 in the tactics used to actually complete 911 when Osama and Company were fighting the Red Menace. To be honest, the whole middle eastern situation is happening because the cold war isn't there anymore.

---------- Post added 06-20-2012 at 12:33 PM ----------

	Originally Posted by NiTe Visor To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	You need a military just to have one. If we don't have one, we're fucked. We need to maintain, but we don't need to spend half as much as we are.

To control the oceans like we do, the navy still needs that cash. Otherwise, the system will dissolve and economies will go down the shitter because there will be war in the worlds oceans as folks are trying to carve out their own territory.