Rich families could sponsor poor ones, says Pope

**Autumnleaf** · 06-03-2012, 06:55 AM

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Is this sheer idiocy or is it a good idea? Appealing to people's nobler motives might work for many people and it would be more personal than sending a few tons of grain to the local African warlord to give out to his friends and relatives.

**SarcasticVlad** · 06-03-2012, 07:03 AM

He lives in a palace for fuck sake. Hypocrite.

**Feral** · 06-03-2012, 07:40 AM

Newt Gingrich could make a colony on the moon.
The Middle East could stop sucking.
Pigs could, in theory, fly straight out of one's rectum.

Oh, the possibilities.

**INTelliJent** · 06-03-2012, 08:22 AM

I don't see why voluntary, personalized charity always gets such a bad rap from the very people who are so vocal about the need for handouts. Oh yeah, that's right, because it doesn't involve their god, the state.

**Traverser** · 06-03-2012, 08:29 AM

Personally, I don't think the world could run completely on charity, but charity does have an important place. I'd much rather trust my money to a charity organization than one that extracts it by force. If the Catholic Church is, indeed, guilty of giving grain to warlords as the OP put it, then I can at least renege my sponsorship and go with someone else. Perhaps even start a charity organization of my own.

**Booko** · 06-03-2012, 08:53 AM

This article seemed more interested in talking about Vatican scandals than what the Pope actually said about sponsoring families in other countries.

**topquark** · 06-03-2012, 09:34 AM

	Originally Posted by INTelliJent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I don't see why voluntary, personalized charity always gets such a bad rap from the very people who are so vocal about the need for handouts. Oh yeah, that's right, because it doesn't involve their god, the state.

I think it's more that suggesting to rich people that they might like to help others through charity doesn't necessarily result in them doing it.

**Still Standing** · 06-03-2012, 10:04 AM

What a novel idea.

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have been in existence for at least the past 75 years. What difference does it make whether it's the Pope or a nighttime TV commercial that promotes it?

**Ravendicon** · 06-03-2012, 10:18 AM

	Originally Posted by INTelliJent To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	...because it doesn't involve their god, the state.

I sincerely hope that somewhere deep in your brain, even you are rolling your eyes at at how hyperbolic your own rhetoric is.

Anyway, give it a try, who cares. Is anybody going to do it? Probably not -- personal greed is a powerful force. The chances are good it wouldn't work anyway. Even voluntary redistribution of wealth is usually a recipe for disaster. Too much inequality and jealousy on the part of the receiver's social class.

**Sk8ordude** · 06-03-2012, 10:54 AM

The Pope is poor, the position of the Pope is without need.

Anyways

The root cause of people in the poor countires is the will of the people in the poor countries. They either have to learn for themselves and fight for change, or they have to support outsiders to come in to fix the system for them. The last one is a thankless job, so the blood of the outsiders comes at a price and a debt. The inequality of small individual charity doesn't add up to much as everybody fights for their entitlement.

"When the power of love outweighs the love of power there will be peace."
Jimi Hendrix

When the world as a whole learns that peace is in everybodies best interest, and can dedicate the nessesary resources to fixing the world, thats when charity will make a difference for macro inequalities of the world. That isn't to say that charity isn't useful, but its most useful as a concept in the general awareness that may or may not catch on in a macro sense.

**INTelliJent** · 06-03-2012, 11:29 AM

	Originally Posted by Ravendicon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	I sincerely hope that somewhere deep in your brain, even you are rolling your eyes at at how hyperbolic your own rhetoric is.

"Free marketers" are on the receiving end of similar hyperbole, unless you think it may not actually be hyperbole...

	Originally Posted by Ravendicon To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 2 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
	Anyway, give it a try, who cares. Is anybody going to do it? Probably not -- personal greed is a powerful force. The chances are good it wouldn't work anyway. Even voluntary redistribution of wealth is usually a recipe for disaster. Too much inequality and jealousy on the part of the receiver's social class.

Give a man a fish......teach a man to fish......hmm

**Vagrant** · 06-03-2012, 11:37 AM

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**Saggita** · 06-03-2012, 03:38 PM

Gay marriage is wrong, says Pope.

**Autumnleaf** · 06-03-2012, 06:54 PM

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	Gay marriage is wrong, says Pope.

He said premarital sex is wrong too.

**SarcasticVlad** · 06-04-2012, 12:49 AM

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	He said premarital sex is wrong too.

He's such an expert in sex.

**khadi** · 06-04-2012, 08:55 AM

Here in Sri Lanka, Roman Catholic missionaries bribed people to convert.

**Bluestreak** · 06-04-2012, 09:02 AM

I cannot take anything that comes from a religious figurehead seriously. The Pope in particular, being a former Roman Catholic (until the age of reason... which means I was no longer "Catholic" by the time I was... oh, 10?). The Pope believes in an invisible fairy in the sky and largely denounces the indisputable facts of science when religion clashes with the truth. I cannot take such a person seriously whatsoever.

When he sells his palatial expanse back to Italy, takes that money, and uses it to help the poor, maybe I'll think about taking his words seriously. Until then, what any religious figure spews from has absolutely no bearing on my existence.

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INTelliJent Veteran Member [87%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,493	I don't see why voluntary, personalized charity always gets such a bad rap from the very people who are so vocal about the need for handouts. Oh yeah, that's right, because it doesn't involve their god, the state.
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Sk8ordude Veteran Member [59%] MBTI: INTJ Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,385	The Pope is poor, the position of the Pope is without need. Anyways The root cause of people in the poor countires is the will of the people in the poor countries. They either have to learn for themselves and fight for change, or they have to support outsiders to come in to fix the system for them. The last one is a thankless job, so the blood of the outsiders comes at a price and a debt. The inequality of small individual charity doesn't add up to much as everybody fights for their entitlement. "When the power of love outweighs the love of power there will be peace." Jimi Hendrix When the world as a whole learns that peace is in everybodies best interest, and can dedicate the nessesary resources to fixing the world, thats when charity will make a difference for macro inequalities of the world. That isn't to say that charity isn't useful, but its most useful as a concept in the general awareness that may or may not catch on in a macro sense.
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Bluestreak Member [10%] MBTI: iNTJ Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 433	I cannot take anything that comes from a religious figurehead seriously. The Pope in particular, being a former Roman Catholic (until the age of reason... which means I was no longer "Catholic" by the time I was... oh, 10?). The Pope believes in an invisible fairy in the sky and largely denounces the indisputable facts of science when religion clashes with the truth. I cannot take such a person seriously whatsoever. When he sells his palatial expanse back to Italy, takes that money, and uses it to help the poor, maybe I'll think about taking his words seriously. Until then, what any religious figure spews from has absolutely no bearing on my existence.
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